Only Kirk Cousins Could Be an $84M Bust and an MVP Dark Horse at the Same Time

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View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2865264-only-kirk-cousins-could-be-an-84m-bust-and-an-mvp-dark-horse-at-the-same-time

Only Kirk Cousins Could Be an $84M Bust and an MVP Dark Horse at the Same Time

It's not easy being two people at the same time.

Take Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins. There's the player the NFL sees...

"He is far better than people in the media give him credit for," an NFC East scout, said.

"He's a top quarterback," added an NFC East front office executive. "One of the best. Look at his numbers."

"...A top-five quarterback" in terms of physical talent, an AFC Central scout said.

"There are 20 teams that would want Cousins," an AFC South scout claimed.


Then there is the Cousins many fans and others see...

Erratic, coming up small in big games and incapable of putting a team on his shoulders the way the greats in the league, such as Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson and Tom Brady, often do.

After the Vikings lost to Seattle on ESPN's Monday Night Football this week, the network tweeted out a remarkable statistic and interesting piece of snark:


View: https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/1201720044234911744


The message from ESPN was an example of how many people in the media and the viewing public see Cousins versus how hardcore football people in the NFL perceive him.

This is the Cousins paradox. We see what we see with him, but many in the game see something else.

Just look at Monday night. Cousins has had plenty of bad moments, but his game against the Seahawks was not one of them. He threw for 276 yards, two touchdowns and one interception. Solid numbers, and not the reason Minnesota lost. For that, you'd have to point a finger at a defense that gave up 444 yards total and 218 on the ground.

Cousins doesn't play linebacker.

But the loss, and the ESPN tweet, gave rise to a question that keeps popping up regarding the Vikings quarterback: What exactly are we to make of Cousins?

While his $84 million fully guaranteed salary makes him a target (and it should), it's also true that Cousins is held to a higher standard than a lot of QBs, and league sources who back Cousins say it's an impossible one.

His supporters say Cousins has been ill-served by erratic play-calling and an injured receiving corps (Adam Thielen has missed the last three games with a hamstring injury), and he doesn't have the coaching genius that players such as Drew Brees or Brady can draw upon.

Cousins also plays a position that has become a walking inkblot test in the NFL. To people in the league, the role of quarterback is immensely complicated, and there are numerous variables in evaluating it.

To fans, and even to media, the judgments are much more primal, simplistic. Jackson: great. Brady: great. Wilson: great. Mitchell Trubisky: bad. Baker Mayfield: overrated. Jared Goff: yuck.

Media and fans also tend to mostly see bottom lines, and not only is Cousins failing to make Super Bowls, he's also only made the postseason twice (in 2012 and 2015) since he entered the NFL almost eight years ago.

It's a track record that is held over his head like a guillotine blade. It's fair...to a point.

But this year Cousins has played well. He's completed 69.3 percent of his passes, thrown for 23 touchdowns, tossed only four interceptions and has a 111.9 quarterback rating.

Yet the loss to the Seahawks, despite his reputable showing in the game, dredged up all the usual critiques, culminating in the notion that it was Cousins who lost another big contest.

There is one thing, however, that's not in doubt. If Cousins wants to shut people up, playing well in Minnesota's final four games might do it, particularly since three of them are at home against NFC North rivals Detroit, Green Bay and Chicago.

If he can beat them, including the king of the division in Aaron Rodgers, the entire Cousins story might change for a while.

If not, we all know how that Cousins story will end.
 

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ESPN is garbage. They're all clickbait and microwaved takes on everything and it's why they've slid so badly over the past decade.

Cousins is a plus QB you can win with. And like all QBs give him a defense to keep the game tight and a good run game and all of a sudden he will be able to do his thing.
 

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Cousins is an excellent QB. Anyone calling him a bust is a complete tool.

And he had great years on a shitty Redskins team.

He's a 4th rounder that will likely be in the HOF based on his production which has been absolutely outstanding.

The bust was the guy drafted #2 overall by the Redskins that very same year.
 

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Average points that the defense in Cousins 8 losses on Monday night. 29. Chance of winning when the defense gives up 29 points or more, 16%. Yeah, he should have at least won one.

The number of times the following QB won games when their defense gave up 37 points in any game.

Rodgers 8-37
Montana 0-5
Brady 2-7
Marino 1-24

Goff in games when his defense gave up 37 points or more. 2-7.


But yeah, let's call him a bust because the defense's he had didn't hold up their end of the deal.
 
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As to the MVP issue. QB records against winning teams this year.

Rodgers 2
Brady 2
Wilson. 3
Jimmy G. 2
Brees. 2

Jackson. 5 In the last 6 weeks. Seahawks, Patriots, Texans, Rams, Niners. By an average score of 33 to 14. Does anyone want to guess who the MVP will be? BTW, notice the 14.
 

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I'm hoping Cousins the bust shows up the rest of the way . Either way , the Rams need to do their part. Starting with the Hags
 

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I'm hoping Cousins the bust shows up the rest of the way . Either way , the Rams need to do their part. Starting with the Hags

FYI there has never been a "Cousins the bust". Ever.

The guy has had an excellent career.

This is his 5th year as a starter and he is crushing it.
 

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FYI there has never been a "Cousins the bust". Ever.

The guy has had an excellent career.

This is his 5th year as a starter and he is crushing it.

Calm down. I just made a comment on the OP headline . You like that
 

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Cousins is an excellent QB. Anyone calling him a bust is a complete tool.

And he had great years on a shitty Redskins team.

He's a 4th rounder that will likely be in the HOF based on his production which has been absolutely outstanding.

The bust was the guy drafted #2 overall by the Redskins that very same year.
Yea....no.
 

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We shall see.

He has had a better career than some guys that are already in.

Check out his game logs. The guy is a star QB.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00/gamelog/
He doesn’t have an All-Pro, playoff moment, or even playoff win. There’s nothing “star” about that.

Cousins is known to being a statpadder when the game is far out of reach which make his stats a whole lot better than it should be. He has playing better this year, but the 3 things I mentioned earlier will follow him until he gets done. He has a great defense, great RB, great receiving core, great coach, & okay OLine. No excuse to at least not get 1 playoff win this year.
 

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He doesn’t have an All-Pro, playoff moment, or even playoff win. There’s nothing “star” about that.

Cousins is known to being a statpadder when the game is far out of reach which make his stats a whole lot better than it should be. He has playing better this year, but the 3 things I mentioned earlier will follow him until he gets done. He has a great defense, great RB, great receiving core, great coach, & okay OLine. No excuse to at least not get 1 playoff win this year.

What do you expect? He played in WASH on a shit team, they were terrible. He helped get them to sort of respectable and when he left they went to shit again. The fact that they made the playoffs once was very much because he had a very, very good season.

IMO he's star QB.
 

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He doesn’t have an All-Pro, playoff moment, or even playoff win. There’s nothing “star” about that.
I mean I'm not going to sit here and defend a QB that's not a Ram. But your point goes back to the modern media BS when it comes to signal callers, thinking that splash plays or "star" moments is what it's all about.

But football remains a team game. Tom Brady has never been a guy who delivers huge splash plays, he has been the beneficiary of a super elite defensive mind who tends to put him in position to win games. Now I get it, you have a young QB who delivers splash plays and you're all about that. Well, ok, but since football is a team game it's not really about your smurf QB but rather how well your organization stacks the defense and the offense around him to include a consistent ground game.

QBs in the end get judged from years of consistent play. RG3 in his rookie year was changing the game they said. Kaepernick was going to be the best ever to play the position. And so on. Year to year can they survive the churn? If you don't realize all that you're probably just not old enough as a fan but you'll get there man.
 

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Still have to decide on Cousins overall.

That said, any reference to Cousins as a Hall of Famer, Wow!

A QB needs to win the big games. It's not just stats.
 

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Still have to decide on Cousins overall.

That said, any reference to Cousins as a Hall of Famer, Wow!

A QB needs to win the big games. It's not just stats.
Like Marino? Tarkenton?

Cousins compared to other top QB's today and one from long ago before he was HOF material. You never know until their career is over.

 

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Like Marino? Tarkenton?

Cousins compared to other top QB's today and one from long ago before he was HOF material. You never know until their career is over.


Comparing Cousins to Marino is silly. Marino dominated.
Marino was a three time first team all-pro in his first 4 years. Cousins has made 1 pro-bowl so far (Goff has been to 2 already).
Marino may not have won a SB, but he did carry that team for many years.
Cousins was brought in to a stacked Vikings team that was supposedly missing only a QB.
Cousins is decent. Hall of fame worthy, not even close, unless the rest of his career is way better than what he's done so far.
 

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Comparing Cousins to Marino is silly. Marino dominated.
Marino was a three time first team all-pro in his first 4 years. Cousins has made 1 pro-bowl so far (Goff has been to 2 already).
Marino may not have won a SB, but he did carry that team for many years.
Cousins was brought in to a stacked Vikings team that was supposedly missing only a QB.
Cousins is decent. Hall of fame worthy, not even close, unless the rest of his career is way better than what he's done so far.
Which is exactly my point. You have no idea what he will do from this point on. To call him a bust at this stage of his career is moot. Steve Young did squat his first 7 years. How did that turn out for him? The fact is, Cousins's current stats are better than Youngs first 7 years.

These are Marino's numbers for his first 7 years. 103 games. He was 54-37 his first 7 years. Dominating.

comp att percent yards TD's INT.
2174​
3650​
60%​
27853​
220​
125​