OLD THREAD-Trade (speculation) Matt Stafford

[Mackeyser]

Feeling like Mr. Colonel Sanders here because I was wrooong again.

Same...

 

[Logy]

You can't judge hit rate on who is starting over such a recent period. Daniel Jones is starting but has largely been a bust. The same is true of Mitch Trubisky. If we look at 2010 to 2019, we'll encounter some of those same difficulties, but it will offer better perspective:
2010:
Sam Bradford - Bust
Tim Tebow - Bust

2011:
Cam Newton - Success
Jake Locker - Bust
Blaine Gabbert - Bust
Christian Ponder - Bust

2012:
Andrew Luck - Success (but already retired)
RGIII - Bust
Ryan Tannehill - Bust and then Success
Brandon Weeden - Bust

2013:
E.J. Manuel - Bust

2014:
Blake Bortles - Bust
Johnny Manziel - Bust
Teddy Bridgewater - Minor Success

2015:
Jameis Winston - Bust
Marcus Mariota - Bust

2016:
Jared Goff - ?????
Carson Wentz - ?????
Paxton Lynch - Bust

2017:
Mitch Trubisky - Bust
Patrick Mahomes - Success
Deshaun Watson - Success

2018:
Baker Mayfield - Success
Sam Darnold - Bust
Josh Allen - Success
Josh Rosen - Bust
Lamar Jackson - Success

2019:
Kyler Murray - Success
Daniel Jones - Bust
Dwayne Haskins - Bust

The success rate really isn't great (12 out of 30, if we count Tannehill, Wentz, and Goff as successes). And that's the first round. Plus, a number of the guys named above went in the top 10 picks. If we were a successful team, it would be a real challenge for us to get into the top 10 picks to draft a QB. That's why ditching your QB at the end of his rookie deal is so hard, unless he doesn't cut the mustard.

HTF is Kyler Murray more successful than Goff?

 

[jrry32]

HTF is Kyler Murray more successful than Goff?

He hasn't been. But he had a better year. And we just dumped Goff. I really didn't want another Goff debate. That's why I avoided making a determination.

 

[Da-Rock]

If Stafford is all about winning and his career/legacy, then he should take a low one year extension restructuring to enable us to add to the team and give him the playoffs and SB run he desires. Like Brady did for many years with NE. We’ll see soon if it’s money or winning. He already has made a ton. Winning a playoff game - not.

Feeling like Mr. Colonel Sanders here because I was wrooong again.

I was with you on that. I thought they would dump Goff somehow and either stay with Wolford or grab someone like Mariota etc.

 

[So Ram]

Thought the Colts are a good match too, would rather it not be San Francisco as to New England if they get him I had nothing against Stafford unless he becomes a 49er or Patriot, my wife thinks Stafford is a jinx and is not capable of being a winner, kind of the way I felt about Phillip Rivers, who IMO, gets far to much credit for never winning a big game in his life.

Will see what happens to Chargers this season.Rivers went to the playoffs & SD lost so many close games.Could be Spanos.

 

[UKram]

Man some of the predictions in this thread DID NOT AGE WELL

 

[So Ram]

Despite having a lot of talented receiving weapons over his career and some good OLs, Stafford has mainly led mediocre offenses. He's managed to put up pretty good numbers leading mediocre offenses because his offense's passing TD shares have been extremely high. Basically, his TD numbers are very inflated due to situational play-calling. People will point out that he has rarely had a running game, and that's true, but you don't need a good running game to have a good number of rushing TDs. It comes down to situational play-calling.

I demonstrated earlier in this thread how situational play-calling fucked Goff over in 2019. Despite our crappy running game, McVay's preference for pounding the ball into the endzone in the redzone deflated Goff's TD numbers. If he had passing TD shares like Stafford has had for most of his career, Goff would have had 30+ passing TDs that year. People will look at Stafford's stats and conclude that he was a good QB stuck in a bad organization. I think the reality is more that he has been a generally average QB stuck in a below average organization. Would Shanahan and McVay get more out of him? Certainly. But he's not suddenly going to become Aaron Rodgers.

Not buying all that. There are a ton of big decisions to make in Detroit and if you think Dorsey will sit back and let Brad make them we'll have to agree to disagree.

I guess as Old School said it. Stafford is a good FANTASY QB my Fantasy QB came true.Reminds me of a Troy Aikman type QB.

I don’t quote on many of this types of trade things.Stay true to Rams Player for the most part.Just glad Goff got traded. Saw the trade & thought Brad Holmes.
This is a huge trade for both teams.I think Les Snead believes in his system.Actually he Trust his coach & his scouts.I like the trade,but the draft picks were a little much.imo.That SHOWS how much MCVAY lost trust in JARED GOFF.

 

[So Ram]

I am amazed that Stafford suddenly became a good QB at age 32 almost 33. Imagine if we stick with Goff how good he'd be at 33 considering he's already better than Stafford. The only "good" thing about Stafford is he's cheap.

Lol - I like that I’m blocked from Old School. It makes me lol about this thinking. —I do agree on the Cheap part if your looking at it the right way.

Will see what happens? My thing is I’m glad if the change & if you look at the 40’s QB’s in 2020,then 32 is The PRIME QB years in The NFL.Stafford is a TRUE Veteran QB.

 

[So Ram]

Stafford at his best was close to what Jared did in 2018 maybe once time statistically. In 12 years once with Calvin Johnson and throwing it 700 times.

Still trying to get to the trade. Was it Detroit that gave up picks ? Lol

 

[So Ram]

Call me whatever the hell you want, I really don't give a shit.

I've said before, and I'll say it again. When he's playing well, I praise him, when he's playing like shit, I'll call it.

And as I've said before, whether he's a Ram or not, I'm hoping for him that he's successful.

McVay has done everything he can to try and help Goff, make things easier for Goff. For the money Goff is set to make, HE needs to take it to the next level.

It's not like he's surrounded by scrubs and bad coaches.

My thoughts as well.I hope Goff well.I was never a big fan though of his.

 

[ScotsRam]

I think Stafford in a new spot is going to surprise a lot of people. If the Colts for example got him... I might have them as superbowl favourites next year.

Just gonna leave this here...

 

[Ram_Rally]

What news? Rumours aren't news. Talk your crap when the Rams actually trade for stafford.

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Am I permitted to "talk my crap" now?

 

[Faceplant]

Just gonna leave this here...

I think the Rams just jumped to 3rd best odds to win in all next year actually....

 

[ScotsRam]

I think the Rams just jumped to 3rd best odds to win in all next year actually....

Call me a homer but I'm hella more confident in the Rams with Stafford under center than Goff... and I like Goff. I am excited for next year.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Am I permitted to "talk my crap" now?

i'm pretty sure i told you that just after the trade was announced. you must have missed it. check your alerts.

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[Ram_Rally]

i'm pretty sure i told you that just after the trade was announced. you must have missed it. check your alerts.

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It's probably long gone Notifications were way too hard to keep up with after the news. What's your opinion of the trade? Now that we've had time to mull it over.

 

[jjab360]

Some of the posts in this thread were hilarious to go back and read lol.

The one thing I got from this thread is that you can't compare these two QBs by bulk stats. Two completely different situations, but the one undeniable fact is that Stafford has that rare arm talent that Goff just doesn't have.

I'm excited to see what McVay can do with a QB like Stafford.

 

[Mackeyser]

They're not.

Totally disregard anything Stafford to the Rams.

This aged well.

I'm a frickin' genius... psychic, too...

 

[Ellard80]

I think the Rams just jumped to 3rd best odds to win in all next year actually....

yea alot of people lamenting this trade (myself inculded)

But Vegas thinks it was a good trade-- vegas aint wrong often.

 

[dieterbrock]

But Vegas thinks it was a good trade-- vegas aint wrong often.

I dont know, Vegas will do Vegas when the game are being played.
We'll see how this plays out, but for the moment its a QB swap and 8 mill less in cap space (or a player we have to let go/not re-sign)