NFL Replay Meetings

[WarnerToBruce]

I just don't understand why this is so hard. Basically this article implies it will be business as usual in these upcoming discussions.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26085764/no-consensus-reached-changing-nfl-replay

I know "we" benefited from that non-call in the NFC Championship, but how many times have we been robbed on an obvious non-call or improper judgement call where it would be worth one of our 2 challenges to review?

Maybe McVay uses it on the phantom hold where we were about to go up 10-3 in the 4th? For example.

I just don't get why there is even one second of contemplation over this. I haven't heard one good reason against. Can somebody explain this to me?

 

[CGI_Ram]

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1...-competition-committee-on-changing-nfl-replay

No consensus reached by competition committee on changing NFL replay

After two days of discussion about replay review in the NFL, the league's competition committee failed to reach a consensus about whether to change the process, several members told ESPN's Kevin Seifert on Tuesday.

The push to overhaul the current system stems from the NFC Championship Game no-call when Los Angeles Rams cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman blatantly contacted New Orleans Saints wide receiver Tommylee Lewis prior to the arrival of a pass.

However, the controversy apparently didn't spark any fresh ideas, as the committee re-examined previously rejected proposals such as adding an eighth official to each game's crew.

"We've had these conversations," Dallas Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones said. "And you start rehashing them, and you go, 'Oh my gosh, we've had this conversation again and again and again and again and again.'"

There is "very little" support to make significant changes, a source on the committee told Yahoo Sports' Charles Robinson.

Committee chairman Rich McKay said a consensus might not happen until the owners meet from March 24 to 27, and added that any changes would most likely be "tweaks" to allow more freedom to correct obvious errors.

McKay acknowledged the NFL needs to re-evaluate its processes after the conference championship game, but he stressed that doing so is a complex undertaking with a wide variety of factors to consider.

"Given the significance of the play, and the focus on that error late in the game, you need to have a top-down discussion again," McKay said. "I think that's the right thing to do. When you have it, you may come up with some ideas to modify replay, add to, subtract from, whatever it may be. I think that's a healthy discussion.

"And also, I think you're going to have some people who have historically wanted to expand replay and want to use this moment to have that discussion, which I don't blame them for wanting to do. For any discussion about it, you have to go all the way through, meaning end to end, because there are so many complications to it, in the way it impacts the game, officiating, time of game, pace of game, all those things. We are going to do that."

 

[Ram65]

Seems like a can of worms trying to get every play called right. Would it every end? Consistency in officiating games is the key. That for both teams playing. I don't get the last two minutes of a half as being more important they any other time in the game.

 

[thirteen28]

Seems like a can of worms trying to get every play called right. Would it every end? Consistency in officiating games is the key. That for both teams playing. I don't get the last two minutes of a half as being more important they any other time in the game.

This ^.

Times 100.

 

[Karate61]

Put more refs on the field! There's 22 players out there. Get 11 refs and tunnel focus.

Thank you very much!

 

[Rambitious1]

I know "we" benefited from that non-call in the NFC Championship, but how many times have we been robbed on an obvious non-call or improper judgement call where it would be worth one of our 2 challenges to review?

Yep. To answer the question, we had several obvious non-calls against us in the same game (NFC Championship) as well.

 

[jetplt67]

Put more refs on the field! There's 22 players out there. Get 11 refs and tunnel focus.

Thank you very much!

Yes please, then maybe I can finally move up

 

[OldSchool]

Nothing will be changed and nothing could be changed without opening pandora's box.

 

[Steve808]

It was a bad call that hurt the Aints but the Rams got screwed by some obvious personal fouls on the Aints that got passed over. If the refs call the Goff face mask and subsequent donkey stomp on Goff we score a TD and that's a whole different game. A penalty ignored with 4 minutes left can be as vital as one ignored with 90 seconds left.

In the end, the Aints had the lead with little time left and allowed a game tying drive. They got the ball first in OT and had a questionable P8. In their favor and turned the ball over. It's not like the calls changed the overall tone of the game.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Nothing will be changed and nothing could be changed without opening pandora's box.

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For who? It seems like a reasonable step to take, if the league is legit. Oh that's right, the NFL won't be able to fix games, or point spreads for Vegas if there is no human error to blame it on. Exactly why the owners don't want more replay.

 

[Flint]

Cameras keep getting better and better and every little thing can be seen by the camera not necessarily by the naked eye. So our expectations get skewed, if I can see it at home why can’t they see it on the field?
There are penalties every play that don’t get called, holding, illegal contact, helmet to helmet. I don’t think the answer is to slow the game down more and pick it apart looking for penalties. Someone is always going to feel like they got jobbed as long as slo motion replay exists, I mean the forward pass has been around for a pretty long time and we’re still trying to figure out what a catch is.

 

[FrantikRam]

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For who? It seems like a reasonable step to take, if the league is legit. Oh that's right, the NFL won't be able to fix games, or point spreads for Vegas if there is no human error to blame it on. Exactly why the owners don't want more replay.

I don't see this. And I don't think the NFL fixes games, that's ridiculous. Very rarely has a call actually decided a game, and the Rams/Saints game does not fall into that category either. If you truly thought that I don't know how you'd even still be a fan.

The reason why nothing should change is simple: all it takes is a few people on the competition committee to possess common sense and ask why PI should be reviewable but other penalties are not. Then after that where does it end? Someone could legitimately argue for every penalty to be able to be reviewed. Then if someone says just make it a call to be challenged - that doesn't really fix our situation because there will be plenty of instances where a coach would be out of challenges (every coach would challenge a borderline PI call that went for 40 yards, even if it was in the first half) and would still get screwed by a bad call.

In the end the only solution would be to review every play/call immediately and confirm that it's correct.

 

[RamDino]

In the end the only solution would be to review every play/call immediately and confirm that it's correct.

This is the only solution that would be fair and accurate. Every player, on every play, would have to be reviewed, in order to make the penalties as accurate as possible. And that ain't gonna happen.

 

[LesBaker]

In the end the only solution would be to review every play/call immediately and confirm that it's correct.

It's an easy thing to fix. Super easy.

Let the coaches challenge anything with their challenge flags. Anything.

Penalties, spotting the ball, time on the clock, whether or not a player stayed in bounds, anything he decides, all of it should be open to challenge.

They get two, like they do now, and 1 extra if they win the two challenges. And toss out the rule that a coach can't challenge if he is out of time outs.

If this were the case the Rams may have won the SB on the PI on Cooks late in the game. But they may not have made it to the SB if the Saints challenged the helmet to helmet PI no-call.

Anyway, that would correct bad calls without changing the time it takes to play a game.

 

[FrantikRam]

It's an easy thing to fix. Super easy.

Let the coaches challenge anything with their challenge flags. Anything.

Penalties, spotting the ball, time on the clock, whether or not a player stayed in bounds, anything he decides, all of it should be open to challenge.

They get two, like they do now, and 1 extra if they win the two challenges. And toss out the rule that a coach can't challenge if he is out of time outs.

If this were the case the Rams may have won the SB on the PI on Cooks late in the game. But they may not have made it to the SB if the Saints challenged the helmet to helmet PI no-call.

Anyway, that would correct bad calls without changing the time it takes to play a game.

It's really not that simple though.

If there's a hands to the face by the OL on the first play of the game and it went for a TD, the coach will challenge it.

Thinking about it from that perspective, coaches would be out of challenges by the end of the first quarter. Now he's out of challenges and could still get screwed, and you can't tell him to not use those challenges - because if he hadn't they probably lose the game anyways.

 

[FrantikRam]

This is the only solution that would be fair and accurate. Every player, on every play, would have to be reviewed, in order to make the penalties as accurate as possible. And that ain't gonna happen.

Agreed. There are probably 10-20 missed calls or bad calls in every game, so just giving a coach the option to challenge 3 might solve some issues, but would create others IMO.

 

[dieterbrock]

My only rule suggestion,
Any time a coach calls for a replay in any game, Tom Brady gets kicked in the nuts
His bye week could be a tough to manage, but we can figure that out