That might apply if they actually did try to come up with something. But as you even have admitted, the CVC plan was not a serious attempt toward solving the issue. And that was presented in 2012 - not after the decision but before.
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Good points. Still not sure how that equates to LA being done right but 40k is way better than 27k.
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Middle Missouri is anti government. It doesn't matter the issue. God and guns.
Because voting for a stadium before it's really needed when the bridge you drive across every day is bad, your job is in peril, and you need a new high school isn't a good thing in pretty much everywhere in America. I would be glad to let this go if one person can provide me with just one example of a city, its residents, and it's county and state governments working harmoniously towards a new stadium years before it's really required. A stadium that is younger than 20 years old. It's one thing to speculate about how the NFL views it. There going to do what they want regardless, view thing how ever they need to in order to get the result they want. It's another to actually criticize the city for not being able to achieve something unrealistic to achieve. It's not fair to insinuate that because a vote in St Louis might have failed that this is some justification that St Louis should lose the team, when everyone else's own city wouldn't have made the grade either. It's unfair for a California resident to criticize us for having a spot of trouble doing something their own governments were unable to get done after the Rams left. Building a new stadium without a committed team is hard, they of all people should know that.
There are no protests to replace the mayor. There was worse resistance from ballpark village. So, we should return to trying to predict what the NFL will do, and maybe let us residents worry if it seems too slimy. I'm not saying this to pick any kind of fight, or to challenge anyone. It just seems to be getting to the stage of the old
"splinter in your eye, but the plank is in mine" around here.
I don't know; if you elect alderman, senators and representatives who pass this type of ordinance/legislation which removes the voters from having a say in the process, if that is, indeed, what the judge ultimately decides, then isn't that part and parcel of our current democratic process? I mean the voters are the ones who put these folks in office to pass those types of things, and it IS a representative government.
Maybe the day will come when voters can vote on every little thing vis a vis their smartphones or computer app but that day has yet to come. Until then we are stuck with what we've voted into office.
I'm with blue4; I'm from St. Louis but live in mid-Missouri and you never hear anyone -- other that Professor Amman and his cronies, some of whom are on the public dole, I hope you realize, which means that they aren't currently paying taxes -- saying that they don't want the stadium or that they want the Rams to leave. I think Missourians are okay with what is going on when it comes to keeping the Rams there; that is, other than Amman, the 3 folks who signed on to his ill-founded attempt to latch onto the court process yesterday, and those 6 idiot representatives -- the latter of whom have been pretty roundly vilified in most quarters within the state.
Maybe the day will come when voters can vote on every little thing vis a vis their smartphones or computer app but that day has yet to come. Until then we are stuck with what we've voted into office.
I'm with blue4; I'm from St. Louis but live in mid-Missouri and you never hear anyone -- other that Professor Amman and his cronies, some of whom are on the public dole, I hope you realize, which means that they aren't currently paying taxes -- saying that they don't want the stadium or that they want the Rams to leave. I think Missourians are okay with what is going on when it comes to keeping the Rams there; that is, other than Amman, the 3 folks who signed on to his ill-founded attempt to latch onto the court process yesterday, and those 6 idiot representatives -- the latter of whom have been pretty roundly vilified in most quarters within the state.
Good Lord don't mention him by name or the torches come out.
Lol drama play much? No but what would likely be said, and rightfully so. Is that's just speculation and there's no proof that he'd been working on it that long without any proof.
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Also, almost nothing gets done today politically until the last minute, or until there is a hard and fast impending deadline. Procrastination and last minute negotiation are the norm in these circles. This has been consistent in a number of NFL cities (see Minnesota) too. The challenge for St Louis, unlike cities where the teams have been there since their inception, is the perceived lack of commitment of the ownership. (We can only speculate there is no commitment by ownership as SK has not said two words for or against the area. Also, while we all believe SK's actions aren't negotiation tactics, this too is speculation based on his level of communication to media.) Everyone knew the baseball Cardinal were committed to the area and we're going to stay within the St Louis metro area.
In other words, how likely is the prospect of Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Dallas, NYG, NYJ, etc. moving if their leases go to year-to-year? Sure, there is that possibility, but the chances are less tan 20 percent unless a new ownership group takes over and is only concerned about maximizing their profitability. This is an NFL issue, because today financial nirvana resides in LA. Tomorrow, the destination could be Mexico City, Montreal, or Toronto (not to mention London or Paris)....all because some state official couldn't figure out how to build a new stadium for a money grubbing owner. Can you say, Toronto Jaguars, Montreal Buccaneers or Mexico City Steelers? (All of these are larger cities than the cities they would replace and all are within our time zones....While not likely...never say never.)
Well, they play games in London. Seems to me the NFL is at least considering adding out of country markets to their brand. I could happen one day.
Very good response. Thanks for that.
For the record - I'm not a CA resident and I was involved in politics revolving around arrogant government officials going against the stated will of the voters so I'm a bit tainted by the crap I've seen happen. I may be letting that get in the way here.
Could be wrong but I think he's referring to bern bern. Mr. Peacock seems to be pretty well regarded even by those wanting the Rams to move back to LA.
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