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[bubbaramfan]

I listened to the show too. My take is the Mayor is trying to save face, damage control. He didn't know til the last minute that he was getting stiffed. That edit story is pure BS. When I talked to him before the meeting, I had asked him if Carmon Policy would answer questions from the audience. He said he hadn't talked to him yet, but he would ask him. So he thought then that Policy would be there. Either way he lied. if I were mayor, I'd be pissed. the whole reason for the meeting was for the presentation as it was given to the owners in NY. Robles said that many times this last week. He got stood up and was made to look foolish. (which he is still doing). And myself and everyone who showed up to hear these people got played.

 

[Pancake]

I listened to Roggins radio show that dealt with last nights "disaster." He and the Mayor of Carson called each other friends, and as a friend, he told the Mayor that it was a bad thing when he felt more outraged at the disrespect shown to the fans of Carson and elsewhere than he (the Mayor) expressed. Some travelled from far away, because they were told they would see the video presentation of the Carson project given to the Owners...Roggins said that at 6:18 pm he told the television audience( NBC) how the night would go, and then at like 6:53pm the Mayor got to the dais and told everyone that the Presentation would not be given, because of some part of it that was still a secret and it could not be edited out in time. This event has been known for a while....No Carmen Policy...No Raiders reps AT ALL....The guy from the Chargers was there, but wouldn't speak, nor even stay in the room as people got angrier.

The Mayor kept saying this doesn't mean there isn't a path forward for Carson....My opinion is there are too many complications for this thing to work in the timeframe given. Kroenke is building a stadium in Inglewood. St Louis is trying to figure out the financing, which even if they do, Kroenke cannot be forced to pay a single thin dime into. No one can force him to....

A few callers called into Roggin's Radio show to express dismay, that they thought LA was being played by all three markets and that no team would come at all. Roggins said that he still held to the view that the Inglewood stadium was getting built no matter what, and until that aspect changed, he believed an NFL team would end up in LA...
and that team looked like it would be the Rams.

Did you hear the part though where Robles admitted he knew there would be no presentation before Roggin went on TV at 6:18?

 

[Loyal]

Fred's agenda is incredibly obvious - bash carson, bash fabiani, praise kroenke and inglewood, ignore or slam st.louis's efforts, rinse and repeat

Believe as you wish, but I just heard the Mayor of Carson call Roggins a friend...Roggins was called the only straight "shooter" in this process by Carson fans...Roggins revealed private conversations with the Mayor about what his purpose was, which was not to allow fans in the LA area to be manipulated by the NFL or any individual team...The Mayor of Carson agreed with everything Roggins said, which would be curious thing to do if Roggins was an enemy.

As for St Louis, why would Roggins care one bit about St Louis?

 

[Loyal]

Did you hear the part though where Robles admitted he knew there would be no presentation before Roggin went on TV at 6:18?

Yes I did.....The Mayor didn't know what the F. to do, is my guess.

 

[RamFan503]

And here I was thinking Ann married him for his looks

I think we're saying basically the same thing... it has been a mutually beneficial relationship.... I never read where Walmart sought out his expertise... if you can find that, it's be interesting.

Yeah - when he bought Georgia's shares, my dad and I both did a fair amount of reading on the guy. Not sure where I read it but I could probably find it again. I think the main subject had something to do with the ranches he had been buying. I guess he was working with a development firm or something when the Waltons asked him to develop some properties for them. Regardless - like you said - it is without a doubt helpful to have the Walton family in your "portfolio".

 

[iced]

Believe as you wish, but I just heard the Mayor of Carson call Roggins a friend...Roggins was called the only straight "shooter" in this process by Carson fans...Roggins revealed private conversations with the Mayor about what his purpose was, which was not to allow fans in the LA area to be manipulated by the NFL or any individual team...The Mayor of Carson agreed with everything Roggins said, which would be curious thing to do if Roggins was an enemy.

As for St Louis, why would Roggins care one bit about St Louis?

Just find it hypocritical - slamming the chargers, calling them "Disingenuous from walking away from negotiations"

Would love to see how much his opinion would change if Spanos were doing what Kroenke is and refusing to answer phone calls/work with task force or even entertain the offer of a stadium.

If he thinks the city going to the NFL and pleading their case to them should be enough to stop the chargers, then I don't get why he would continue to believe that Inglewood is a done Deal and St.Louis will lose their team. Peacock has been doing for 7 months what he thinks the city is about to do to stop the chargers from moving. Hypocritical. (makes that statement about 2 minutes in)

http://www.mighty1090.com/episode/f...prevent-inglewood-from-starting-construction/

 

[RamFan503]

I don't think it's allowed for Kroenke to own a stadium played in by other NFL teams so, if the bylaws have any meaning, that one probably can't happen.

That seems to make sense. And I would think that makes more sense than the cross ownership rule. The NFL wouldn't supposedly allow Stan to own a basketball team in Denver but they'd allow him to make money off three NFL franchises while owning one of them? Doesn't add up.

 

[Loyal]

Just find it hypocritical - slamming the chargers, calling them "Disingenuous from walking away from negotiations"

Would love to see how much his opinion would change if Spanos were doing what Kroenke is and refusing to answer phone calls/work with task force or even entertain the offer of a stadium.

If he thinks the city going to the NFL and pleading their case to them should be enough to stop the chargers, then I don't get why he would continue to believe the Inglewood is a done Deal and St.Louis will lose their team. Peacock has been doing for 7 months what he thinks the city is about to do to stop the chargers from moving. Hypocritical. (makes that statement about 2 minutes in)

http://www.mighty1090.com/episode/f...prevent-inglewood-from-starting-construction/

Roggins point of view, as well as the Rams point of view (reportedly expressed by Kevin Demoff before the Owners) Is that Kroenke quit talking to the Rams after St Louis lost in arbitratuion over the Dome. StLouis didn't fullfill the Top Tier clause, and then refused to make good on the promise that lured the Rams to St Louis in the first place when they lost. Whether we agree with this line of reasoning or not, Kroenke decided to be quiet..buy land in Inglewood..and then announced a plan to build a stadium. He had moved on, and St Louis didn't know it.

 

[iced]

@bluecoconuts

I know you asked for this awhile ago, sorry it took so long to find. Don't know who the "source" is nor is it mentioned in the first one, but I believe this was one of the first few articles about the kroenke camp abiding by their decision

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-nfl-la-memo-20150209-story.html

If a team were to move without the league’s blessing — and people close to Kroenke insist he would not be inclined to do so — the NFL could withhold stadium financing and choose not to award Super Bowls to the new venue as a disincentive. However, an owner who went rogue and moved would not necessarily be subject to a relocation fee.

Although I thought this was interesting cause it kind of seems like they contradict about the relocation fee's (although the keyword from the first one is the word "Necessarily" - not a definite thing). Although this 2nd article is newer

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ce-that-wont-be-stopped-with-la-bid/70463628/

Two other NFL owners, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, told USA TODAY Sports they think Kroenke will be inclined to follow the NFL's process because of the potential yet-to-be-determined relocation fee that by league bylaws can be attached to a move. The relocation fee, one owner said, represents one of the lessons from the battles with Davis, as it was added to the bylaws in ensuing years.

Furthermore, future Super Bowls are in the mix. Like a dangling carrot. A nasty fight over Los Angeles undoubtedly would become a drain on synergy needed to maximize the city's huge potential for the league.

Do it right. As one owner told me, there are too many dollars at stake not to have a partnership built on good spirit.

Anyway - figured I'd share those 2 articles I ran across

 

[iced]

Roggins point of view, as well as the Rams point of view (reportedly expressed by Kevin Demoff before the Owners) Is that Kroenke quit talking to the Rams after St Louis lost in arbitratuion over the Dome. StLouis didn't fullfill the Top Tier clause, and then refused to make good on the promise that lured the Rams to St Louis in the first place when they lost. Whether we agree with this line of reasoning or not, Kroenke decided to be quiet..buy land in Inglewood..and then announced a plan to build a stadium. He had moved on, and St Louis didn't know it.

Which if you agree with his logic, then this would be irrelevant ^^^ if he's thinking San Diego can go now to the NFL and they would stop him - then how could they let the Rams go? Again, sounds hypocritical to me.

And that's with St.Louis's plan being much more realistic/viable at this juncture

 

[WillasDad]

Fred's agenda is incredibly obvious - bash carson, bash fabiani, praise kroenke and inglewood, ignore or slam st.louis's efforts, rinse and repeat

I don't blame St. Louis folks for feeling this way, but there are few people as plugged in to the LA side of things as he is. I see him as basically calling it as he sees it, which if you're biased, you'll see it in a biased manner.

Personally, I don't think he's biased, but he does seem to fall into using maybe a bit more hyperbole than he should, which can be misunderstood as being more than just enthusiasm for what he's saying.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Oh come on, you cant tell me that Inglewood Fred is unbiased. All he has done is constantly promote Inglewood and bash Carson, not to mention bash St Louis.

Roggin has stated that he doesn't personally care which stadium gets built, he just would like an NFL team to LA period. However he feels that Inglewood is the stadium more likely to get built, and that it's the better project. He certainly likes to be right, which is why he'll talk more about Inglewood, and he wont sugar coat anything for either stadium. However Carson has been a lot stickier, which gives him more negative things to talk about.. In terms of St Louis, why would he care? He doesn't care about St Louis, Oakland, or San Diego. Just as Jim Thomas and Shane Gray don't care about LA, and neither do local writers in Oakland or San Diego.

 

[iced]

I don't blame St. Louis folks for feeling this way, but there are few people as plugged in to the LA side of things as he is. I see him as basically calling it as he sees it, which if you're biased, you'll see it in a biased manner.

Personally, I don't think he's biased, but he does seem to fall into using maybe a bit more hyperbole than he should, which can be misunderstood as being more than just enthusiasm for what he's saying.

His logic doesn't add up.

if he's thinking San Diego can go now to the NFL, plead their case to them (like Peacock/Nixon have done), and they would stop him - then how could they let the Rams go? Again, sounds hypocritical to me.

And that's with St.Louis's plan being much more realistic/viable at this juncture.

Hard not to believe he has a bias when everything he shares in regard to St.Louis is dismissive or in a negative light while holding Kroenke in a regard that's good to go with inglewood, bashing Carson/Fabiani and lauding SD's efforts to keep the team. Doesn't add up

 

[RamFan503]

@bluecoconuts

I know you asked for this awhile ago, sorry it took so long to find. Don't know who the "source" is nor is it mentioned in the first one, but I believe this was one of the first few articles about the kroenke camp abiding by their decision

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-nfl-la-memo-20150209-story.html



Although I thought this was interesting cause it kind of seems like they contradict about the relocation fee's (although the keyword from the first one is the word "Necessarily" - not a definite thing). Although this 2nd article is newer

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ce-that-wont-be-stopped-with-la-bid/70463628/



Anyway - figured I'd share those 2 articles I ran across

Pretty hard to get anything meaningful out of those. But then I think we both are a bit weary of "unnamed sources" - eh?

As far as the hypocritical thing, I'm not too sure. It's not like the city of SD hasn't proposed things over the 14 years. I just don't know if you call throwing a wet blanket on everything, negotiating in good faith. I'm not saying that is all Spanos and his yap dog have been doing but from what I have heard all along, it is the common perception from Chargers fans.

So while fans in St Louis understandably want to believe that Spanos has been working for a deal this whole time, fans in SD don't seem to agree. I don't know what their perception is of what Stan has been doing. Same as you feel of Spanos?

Unfortunately, we won't get any kind of straight answer out of the NFL on this - likely even after it is decided.

 

[WillasDad]

His logic doesn't add up.

if he's thinking San Diego can go now to the NFL, plead their case to them (like Peacock/Nixon have done), and they would stop him - then how could they let the Rams go? Again, sounds hypocritical to me.

And that's with St.Louis's plan being much more realistic/viable at this juncture.

Hard not to believe he has a bias when everything he shares in regard to St.Louis is dismissive or in a negative light while holding Kroenke in a regard that's good to go with inglewood, bashing Carson/Fabiani and lauding SD's efforts to keep the team. Doesn't add up

I don't recall him saying SD could force the Chargers to stay. I think the exact opposite is being said. The problem with the Chargers has always been about their ability to get their stadium while dealing with the presence of Inglewood.

I've already mentioned it several times before, but he thinks Spanos is running out of time to use his leverage. Personally, I think I've changed my tune slightly on that matter.

As for him not giving St. Louis much chance, geography probably plays a huge role there. He's well versed in LA matters bc all his contacts are in LA. I know Mayor Butts more than likely is feeding him a lot of info, which is significnt bc he's probably talking to a Ram rep on a consistent basis as they prepare Inglewood for the team. He probably knows very little about the machinations of all that's going on out in St. Louis.

The same goes for the St.L writer Bernie something. Probably has Peacock and maybe even Nixon as his contacts, but nobody in LA.

It's really whose sources are better in the know. At least on the Rams point of view, I can't imagine any reporter has more info than Roggin.

 

[tonyl711]

Ask away. You just came off to me as trying to demand that he does it. Maybe you need to soften up your avatar.

Anyway, just trying to keep the tone more civil.

wasnt my intention at all, to be honest, i get most of my info from here, the posters on here are pretty up to speed on all this, so i get most of my info right here, if i see something i havent seen or someone says something i havent heard i like knowing if its fact or opinion, nothing more nothing less.

 

[MrMotes]

Which if you agree with his logic, then this would be irrelevant ^^^ if he's thinking San Diego can go now to the NFL and they would stop him - then how could they let the Rams go? Again, sounds hypocritical to me.

And that's with St.Louis's plan being much more realistic/viable at this juncture

It's not that the NFL will stop Spanos it's that now it has become ridiculous for Spanos to ask the NFL to stop Kroenke on his behalf...

 

[RamFan503]

wasnt my intention at all, to be honest, i get most of my info from here, the posters on here are pretty up to speed on all this, so i get most of my info right here, if i see something i havent seen or someone says something i havent heard i like knowing if its fact or opinion, nothing more nothing less.

But you look so angry.

I admit, I definitely prefer people providing their source but I know I do it all the time. I regurgitate something I heard on the radio or saw in an article. Generally I'll only do it when the source seems somehow credible. If people don't buy it without my providing the source, I'm cool with that. Doesn't mean I'm going to spend time looking for it. I'll just figure it's up to them to believe or not.

Doesn't prevent me from asking others to provide a link.

Cheers man.

 

[blue4]

Roggins point of view, as well as the Rams point of view (reportedly expressed by Kevin Demoff before the Owners) Is that Kroenke quit talking to the Rams after St Louis lost in arbitratuion over the Dome. StLouis didn't fullfill the Top Tier clause, and then refused to make good on the promise that lured the Rams to St Louis in the first place when they lost. Whether we agree with this line of reasoning or not, Kroenke decided to be quiet..buy land in Inglewood..and then announced a plan to build a stadium. He had moved on, and St Louis didn't know it.

I find that to be complete BS. Stan Kroenke knew full well when he bought the team that fulfilling top tier would be impossible. Hell, I knew that, and I don't have a team of experts on call. Demoff can spout that all he wants, but who's really buying that? If he wasn't aware of the likelihood of that happening then he ain't nearly the genius that he's been portrayed as. It's just as likely he bought the team BECAUSE he knew the end game could likely be cashing in on LA. Why else buy it, especially when you had a willing buyer on the phone who really wanted it? Could have made a pile and walked away.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I find that to be complete BS. Stan Kroenke knew full well when he bought the team that fulfilling top tier would be impossible. Hell, I knew that, and I don't have a team of experts on call. Demoff can spout that all he wants, but who's really buying that? If he wasn't aware of the likelihood of that happening then he ain't nearly the genius that he's been portrayed as. It's just as likely he bought the team BECAUSE he knew the end game could likely be cashing in on LA. Why else buy it, especially when you had a willing buyer on the phone who really wanted it? Could have made a pile and walked away.

Why make a pile and walk away, when you can make a bigger pile and stay on? Kroenke probably knew back in 94 that the odds on St Louis keeping up with that clause was unlikely. It was only a matter of time before he had majority share of the team and a high chance of having a lot of options to make a lot of money.