it would be used on things for the people of the city/county/state if it wasn't spent on the stadium.
I believe the tax can only be used on the stadium per the bonds. And when the bonds disappear, so does the tax.
it would be used on things for the people of the city/county/state if it wasn't spent on the stadium.
I believe the tax can only be used on the stadium per the bonds. And when the bonds disappear, so does the tax.
Because Goldman Sachs is an investment bank that is setting up various loans from various different banks to pay for the stadium and their primary goal is to see as much of a profit as they can for said various investors. If they cant get good timely profits then it's not worthwhile to invest.
If Goldman is right, their investors should see a solid return. The Santa Clara deal generated about $75 million in interest and fees, according to financing documents, with more potentially to come when construction bonds are refinanced later this year. In Carson — where the stadium would cost $400 million more — financiers could easily recoup $100 million.
"They're basically the middlemen," said Roger Noll, a Stanford University economist who watched the Santa Clara stadium deal unfold.
Goldman should have no trouble raising money, said Randy Gerardes, a senior municipal bond analyst at Wells Fargo Securities.
"A market like L.A. is attractive," Gerardes said. "Just like it's attractive to the NFL, it's attractive to investors. There's a lot of money there, a big corporate base."
You act like Goldman Sachs isn't aware of this or has no experience in this area - they've done 30 stadium deals in the past 10 years. I think if there's a group that knows what they're doing here, its GS.
And everything you're speculating about goes directly against everything they've said. They're pledging $1.7 billion and covering all initial losses. I realize you don't like the Carson plan, but this constant attempt at trying to discredit Goldman Sachs as an investor is getting ridiculous. They haven't even released who their investors are - how can you theorize how they're going to act? Given everything they've said, they seem pretty dead intent on getting this project financed, and have a lot more Resources at their disposal.
By the way, the revenue returns for the investors are supposed to be pretty good
http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-stadium-goldman-20150524-story.html
Funding is a nonissue.
Carson having Goldman Sachs isn't a disadvantage - it's a leg up, financially. And they have a ton of experience building NFL stadiums, something Kroenke doesn't. They obviously know whats coming.
IMO they're not really trying to stop it they're trying to delay it, which is even worse. I really don't know how politics work and who's is the strongest but doesn't the governor override everyone else besides the president of the U.S.?
DELETEDI find a lot of this both humorous and contradictory.
1) They criticize Inglewood for a lack of parking that it doesn't have, the plans call for plenty of parking. And that's been the biggest criticism of the St Louis stadium is a lack of parking.
2) They criticize the Inglewood stadium because it's being designed to be a possible multi use stadium and the land around it is developed with housing and businesses. One of the selling points they trumpet the loudest is they want this stadium to be a multi use and plan it's usage to be an equal NFL and MLS stadium.
3) They make Carmen Policy out to be a saint who's loved by the NFL.
It's just funny to me the homerism that they will criticize Inglewood on things and not realize what they're saying is also critical of the St Louis stadium effort.
to act like GS doesnt know how these things work and have a pretty good idea of how much is needed and how it will be paid back and how long it will take to pay back is unbelievable IMO, this isnt thier first rodeo, you can bet your bottom dollar that a team was made up to study every angle of this before they commited to it, to believe otherwise is either wishfull thinking or just sticking your head in the sand.You act like Goldman Sachs isn't aware of this or has no experience in this area - they've done 30 stadium deals in the past 10 years. I think if there's a group that knows what they're doing here, its GS.
And everything you're speculating about goes directly against everything they've said. They're pledging $1.7 billion and covering all initial losses. I realize you don't like the Carson plan, but this constant attempt at trying to discredit Goldman Sachs as an investor is getting ridiculous. They haven't even released who their investors are - how can you theorize how they're going to act? Given everything they've said, they seem pretty dead intent on getting this project financed, and have a lot more Resources at their disposal.
By the way, the revenue returns for the investors are supposed to be pretty good
http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-stadium-goldman-20150524-story.html
Funding is a nonissue.
Carson having Goldman Sachs isn't a disadvantage - it's a leg up, financially. And they have a ton of experience building NFL stadiums, something Kroenke doesn't. They obviously know whats coming.
you do realize that Stan is a developer right? that cleared land would be cleared regardless as you need it cleard to start any developement. when did Stan tell you that he is moving no matter what? wish the rest of us had his trust like you do since he tells you his plans, lol.DELETED - Sorry @tonyl711 but I couldn't leave his post up. I agree with your post BTW.
what you keep overlooking is the fact that GS has said the will help with losses, that pretty much tells me that they expect there to be costs above and beyond the original number and have funding in place for whatever comes up.You keep saying that I'm talking about stadium financing and I'm not. I'm not an idiot, I know that Goldman Sachs has experience, and I know they know what they're doing and what they're getting into. I've made this point probably 6 times already and you keep coming back to stadium financing and Goldman Sachs having more equity.
I'm saying that when people try to say "Well Goldman Sachs has more money, so they win." that's not how it works. They are an investment bank, meaning that they are lining up loans for the 1.7 billion or whatever for the construction of the stadium. That's what they're doing, that's what they do. If they need to suddenly increase that, then they need to adjust and line up new loans. They don't just open up and put in more money, they need to line those up, it's extra steps. If suddenly the costs go up, or 10 or 20 years down the line there's an issue, that's a competently different thing they need to do. Where Kroenke has an advantage is that he doesn't have to go through any middleman or things like that.
That doesn't mean that Goldman Sachs can't get it done, but it's extra steps that Kroenke doesn't have. It's not going to stop them from picking Carson, but it's an extra step.
Either way the entire thing came out of the Carson mayor saying that they have Goldman Sachs therefore they have more money, which is obviously not how it works. Goldman Sachs isn't going to invest 2, 3, 4 billion dollars into LA because I can't imagine it's going to be worth it in terms of returns. Maybe, but I don't see it. Kroenke doesn't need to get loans, so he could in theory invest that much. Would he? I doubt it, but he has that ability. Saying that Carson has Goldman Sachs 82 billion in equity is like saying Kroenke has the 81 billion of Walmart's equity. It doesn't work that way. Goldman Sachs has 1.7 billion dollars they're lining up, and probably the ability to get more. Kroenke has 6.3 billion and and additional 5.3 billion if he wants to tap into his wife. That is his money.
You act like Goldman Sachs isn't aware of this or has no experience in this area - they've done 30 stadium deals in the past 10 years. I think if there's a group that knows what they're doing here, its GS.
And everything you're speculating about goes directly against everything they've said. They're pledging $1.7 billion and covering all initial losses. I realize you don't like the Carson plan, but this constant attempt at trying to discredit Goldman Sachs as an investor is getting ridiculous. They haven't even released who their investors are - how can you theorize how they're going to act? Given everything they've said, they seem pretty dead intent on getting this project financed, and have a lot more Resources at their disposal.
By the way, the revenue returns for the investors are supposed to be pretty good
http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-stadium-goldman-20150524-story.html
Funding is a nonissue.
Carson having Goldman Sachs isn't a disadvantage - it's a leg up, financially. And they have a ton of experience building NFL stadiums, something Kroenke doesn't. They obviously know whats coming.
Kroenke doesn't need to get loans, so he could in theory invest that much.
been avoiding this but....
Stan is clearly getting loans (or his holding companies are). It just isn't public who through or with. He is worth 6.3 B but that does not mean he has 1.5B in cash laying around...heck 4-5B of that is his equity in sports teams and it is safe to assume that a large amount is equity in his construction company(s). If he is building the stadium using his own cash then he is selling off assets...large #s of them. He is clearly getting financing sources for his stadium they just aren't public since he isn't using public money to get it done or have any need to publicly declare his financing plan...
been avoiding this but....
Stan is clearly getting loans (or his holding companies are). It just isn't public who through or with. He is worth 6.3 B but that does not mean he has 1.5B in cash laying around...heck 4-5B of that is his equity in sports teams and it is safe to assume that a large amount is equity in his construction company(s). If he is building the stadium using his own cash then he is selling off assets...large #s of them. He is clearly getting financing sources for his stadium they just aren't public since he isn't using public money to get it done or have any need to publicly declare his financing plan...
Okay I'll come clean...I loaned Stan the money.You could be right drasconis but I am curios, how do you know this to be true? I know most investors like to use OPM so I'm not disputing you assertion, but loan repayment obviously changes his cash flow numbers.
It doesn't really matter, does it? Because in the end Stan can just right the checks, it doesn't really matter where he gets the money because he can cover it.