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[RamFan503]

My point is that, while Stan may do what he wants, the only way he moves is by violating the bylaws. Despite all the justifications, he has no grounds to say he can't get a deal done. He hasn't exhausted all means. He doesn't even take phone calls.

This is opinion and the only way it is determined is subjectively by the other owners. I don't necessarily disagree with you but I just don't know that the other NFL owners will agree.

The 200 million he might have to put in isn't a awful proposal. The Raiders owner is willing to do 500 million, and he's not even allowed to live in Kroenke neighborhood money wise.

If you are going to count Davis as ponying up $500 million toward a stadium, you have to count Stan's as $450 million as it sits. Both figures include the NFL loan. Unlike Santa Clara - St Louis, by what I've seen, isn't offering to pay off the NFL loan and neither is Oakland.

The man bought a team from St Louis that wasn't in financial trouble, with every intention of moving in somewhere else, and with no intention of any kind of even sided negotiations. If, or when, he moves it will be because of his money.

He actually bought his minority interest in the team when the Rams moved FROM LA. Without Stan buying that interest in the team, Georgia would not have had the wherewithal to move them to St Louis. Part of the deal was a first right of refusal should Georgia or her family decide to sell the team. Stan exercised that right when the only offer was hammered out. Like it or not - he bought at the lowest price he could pay.

He also was trying to get an expansion team in St Louis prior to the Rams.

That doesn't really indicate to me a guy buying a team with the intent to move.

And nothing else. If the stadium deal here falls thru, then I'd say he's got justification.

Let's hope all the posturing and finger pointing gets put aside then and that St Louis gets a workable deal in place.

 

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That would extinguish all the leverage he has in the negotiations as they are just STARTING to warm up? Who does that?

What leverage does he have now? STL can build a stadium for any team. It doesn't have to be the Rams anymore. It's like when you're really into a chick but she's into another dude. Then the other dude starts banging her after she told you she's not interested in you as anything more than a friend. Then the dude dumps her and she comes to you looking for affection while saying she hopes that other dude comes to his senses. So do you (aka the fans) get involved with her, or do you say, "Fuck off. You had your chance."

 

[RamFan503]

What leverage does he have now? STL can build a stadium for any team. It doesn't have to be the Rams anymore. It's like when you're really into a chick but she's into another dude. Then the other dude starts banging her after she told you she's not interested in you as anything more than a friend. Then the dude dumps her and she comes to you looking for affection while saying she hopes that other dude comes to his senses. So do you (aka the fans) get involved with her, or do you say, "freak off. You had your chance."

How hot IS she?

 

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How hot IS she?

Pretty hot, but not so hot that you can't find another one on the same level.

Though, as I look at your avatar, you should probably just take your sloppy seconds here and be happy. lol.

 

[Boffo97]

What leverage does he have now? STL can build a stadium for any team. It doesn't have to be the Rams anymore. It's like when you're really into a chick but she's into another dude. Then the other dude starts banging her after she told you she's not interested in you as anything more than a friend. Then the dude dumps her and she comes to you looking for affection while saying she hopes that other dude comes to his senses. So do you (aka the fans) get involved with her, or do you say, "freak off. You had your chance."

I would be surprised if St. Louis still goes ahead with the stadium without the Rams there.

Although that would be the best bet for the city to get a 3rd franchise... "Hey look, we have this cool riverfront stadium! If only SOMEONE would move into it!"

 

[RamFan503]

Pretty hot, but not so hot that you can't find another one on the same level.

Though, as I look at your avatar, you should probably just take your sloppy seconds here and be happy. lol.

Not sure I can look at my own avatar for long. Might have to change that soon. And don't underestimate the zombie poon.

 

[LosAngelesRams]

What leverage does he have now? STL can build a stadium for any team. It doesn't have to be the Rams anymore. It's like when you're really into a chick but she's into another dude. Then the other dude starts banging her after she told you she's not interested in you as anything more than a friend. Then the dude dumps her and she comes to you looking for affection while saying she hopes that other dude comes to his senses. So do you (aka the fans) get involved with her, or do you say, "freak off. You had your chance."

Lol, That's a homie hopper.

 

[Prime Time]

Then the other dude starts banging her after she told you she's not interested in you as anything more than a friend. Then the dude dumps her and she comes to you looking for affection while saying she hopes that other dude comes to his senses.

There's a country-western song in there somewhere.

Btw I knew Stan Kroenke reminded me of someone...

Stan Kroenke

Uncle Rico

 

[rhinobean]

I would be surprised if St. Louis still goes ahead with the stadium without the Rams there.

Although that would be the best bet for the city to get a 3rd franchise... "Hey look, we have this cool riverfront stadium! If only SOMEONE would move into it!"

I doubt STL would build a new stadium without having the team to play there. Did that once already and screwed up by giving up leverage in the lease!

 

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I would be surprised if St. Louis still goes ahead with the stadium without the Rams there.

Although that would be the best bet for the city to get a 3rd franchise... "Hey look, we have this cool riverfront stadium! If only SOMEONE would move into it!"

There was some murmuring about the words Nixon(?) used when he said NFL instead of "Rams" a while back. It's conceivable, I think, for them to be able to lure another team should Kroenke decide to jet. And I'm sure the NFL would be more than interested in giving them some assistance there. Lotta posturing going on here now. Kinda stupid, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[rhinobean]

There was some murmuring about the words Nixon(?) used when he said NFL instead of "Rams" a while back. It's conceivable, I think, for them to be able to lure another team should Kroenke decide to jet. And I'm sure the NFL would be more than interested in giving them some assistance there. Lotta posturing going on here now. Kinda stupid, but interesting nonetheless.

I think that was posturing to get the league to follow the by-laws which doesn't seem likely, just lip service!

 

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There's a country-western song in there somewhere.

Btw I knew Stan Kroenke reminded me of someone...

Stan Kroenke

Uncle Rico

HA!

(Man I'm bored today)

 

[Alan]

RamFan503 living in the bubble:
Yeah.... you're wrong.

Yeah, you're wrong.

Tag your it.

 

[LesBaker]

What leverage does he have now? STL can build a stadium for any team. It doesn't have to be the Rams anymore. It's like when you're really into a chick but she's into another dude. Then the other dude starts banging her after she told you she's not interested in you as anything more than a friend. Then the dude dumps her and she comes to you looking for affection while saying she hopes that other dude comes to his senses. So do you (aka the fans) get involved with her, or do you say, "freak off. You had your chance."

It's not like that though. And the Rams aren't just going to pluck a team away a few years from now. And for sure no stadium is getting built without a team. Ask San Antonio how painful that was LOL.

This is the early portion of the game, and this is how this game is ALWAYS played.

 

[Sum1]

I think you kind of missed what I was saying though. Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, the Rams do opt out of the lease and move.

I agree with you that in a legal sense, the Rams have done nothing wrong so St. Louis has no basis for a breach of contract charge against the Rams.

So then the discussion becomes whether or not the Rams have violated the bylaws. That might not be as slam dunk as you think. If I'm the Rams in this situation, I'm going to argue that we exhausted all REALISTIC options, and that St. Louis was just trying to pointlessly extend the process with 11th hour proposals that had no chance of actually happening. The league might agree with them. Billionaires tend to scratch each other's backs.

But even if the owners do agree the Rams have broken the bylaws, what can they really do? There's no place in St. Louis to force the team to return to as the Rams no longer have the legal rights to play anywhere in St. Louis. Any kind of extreme penalty like taking over the team to force Kroenke to sell or refusing to schedule any games for the Rams would result in Kroenke filing a massive lawsuit against the league that the NFL would likely lose, and any kind of smaller punishment, Stan can pay easily. If you only get charged $750K for massive cheating that directly led to 3 Super Bowls, it's hard to imagine getting charged more than a million for moving YOUR team.

I don't even understand what you are trying to argue. Yeah, I don't thin anyone is getting at that the league is going to pressure the Rams to stay in St. Louis without a stadium upgrade. They've already said that the dome isn't a long term option.

And to state that what St. Louis has started is an 11th hour proposal is a massive misconception that has been pushed by national media, either through intent or complete laziness in their journalism. Mike Florio is pushing that stance and it is complete BS.

I've already listed examples of other teams and cities that were in extremely similar situations as the Rams/St. Louis and the process for a new stadium was in a much slower state of development. The only difference from the Rams and the other teams is that the Rams have an owner that seems willing and able to build his own stadium in a different market rather than leveraging the finances/taxes of one city vs the other.

And I am certainly not naive to the fact that the league can interpret their bylaws and bend them to however they so choose if it comes to that.

 

[Sum1]

What leverage does he have now? STL can build a stadium for any team. It doesn't have to be the Rams anymore. It's like when you're really into a chick but she's into another dude. Then the other dude starts banging her after she told you she's not interested in you as anything more than a friend. Then the dude dumps her and she comes to you looking for affection while saying she hopes that other dude comes to his senses. So do you (aka the fans) get involved with her, or do you say, "freak off. You had your chance."

Maybe, but it seems like a pretty big leap of faith to build a stadium, especially an outdoor stadium, without a team committed to it. St. Louis did build a stadium once and it worked out on the surface, but it made the community/leadership give a very favorable deal to the Rams. Now they are stuck in a sticky situation.

Now, let's say St. Louis builds a stadium with or without the Rams (which is not going to happen if it isn't the Rams, at least not without another team committed) they must now convince the league to allow a team to move to St. Louis. Although I wouldn't ever give up on getting another team I don't see it as a "build they will come" scenario...would seem pretty risky to me.

 

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Maybe, but it seems like a pretty big leap of faith to build a stadium, especially an outdoor stadium, without a team committed to it. St. Louis did build a stadium once and it worked out on the surface, but it made the community/leadership give a very favorable deal to the Rams. Now they are stuck in a sticky situation.

Now, let's say St. Louis builds a stadium with or without the Rams (which is not going to happen if it isn't the Rams, at least not without another team committed) they must now convince the league to allow a team to move to St. Louis. Although I wouldn't ever give up on getting another team I don't see it as a "build they will come" scenario...would seem pretty risky to me.

It would have to be a collaborative effort, for sure. Something where the City has assurances from the NFL that there will be a team there no matter what happens. Probably not a likely scenario, but it seems like a fairly solid counter to Kroenke's play right now.

 

[Boffo97]

I don't even understand what you are trying to argue. Yeah, I don't thin anyone is getting at that the league is going to pressure the Rams to stay in St. Louis without a stadium upgrade. They've already said that the dome isn't a long term option.

And to state that what St. Louis has started is an 11th hour proposal is a massive misconception that has been pushed by national media, either through intent or complete laziness in their journalism. Mike Florio is pushing that stance and it is complete BS.

I've already listed examples of other teams and cities that were in extremely similar situations as the Rams/St. Louis and the process for a new stadium was in a much slower state of development. The only difference from the Rams and the other teams is that the Rams have an owner that seems willing and able to build his own stadium in a different market rather than leveraging the finances/taxes of one city vs the other.

And I am certainly not naive to the fact that the league can interpret their bylaws and bend them to however they so choose if it comes to that.

You said before that you got my logic, and then proceeded to argue against something I wasn't really saying.

We can go back and forth on the argument of whether St. Louis' proposal is too little, too late. I think there's something to it. You don't. What matters is that if the Rams want to move, that's a stance THEY are likely to take, and it's the NFL who will decide whether or not they think it has merit. And I don't think comparisons to other cities are going to hold much water in that argument. St. Louis knew this was an issue 20 years ago... their proposal regarding the EJD was rejected in favor of the Rams 2 years ago. Whether other cities are slow or not, there's a lot of time there, and I don't think the Rams would be out of line to point out that it's still likely to be quite a while before shovels hit the ground on the riverfront.

 

[dbrooks25]

You said before that you got my logic, and then proceeded to argue against something I wasn't really saying.

We can go back and forth on the argument of whether St. Louis' proposal is too little, too late. I think there's something to it. You don't. What matters is that if the Rams want to move, that's a stance THEY are likely to take, and it's the NFL who will decide whether or not they think it has merit. And I don't think comparisons to other cities are going to hold much water in that argument. St. Louis knew this was an issue 20 years ago... their proposal regarding the EJD was rejected in favor of the Rams 2 years ago. Whether other cities are slow or not, there's a lot of time there, and I don't think the Rams would be out of line to point out that it's still likely to be quite a while before shovels hit the ground on the riverfront.

Grubman has already been quoted as saying the "too little too late" thing is not true as far as the NFL is concerned. That excuse will not likely play.

 

[mr.stlouis]

What leverage does he have now? STL can build a stadium for any team. It doesn't have to be the Rams anymore. It's like when you're really into a chick but she's into another dude. Then the other dude starts banging her after she told you she's not interested in you as anything more than a friend. Then the dude dumps her and she comes to you looking for affection while saying she hopes that other dude comes to his senses. So do you (aka the fans) get involved with her, or do you say, "freak off. You had your chance."

Dang it, X,that's a terrible analogy for me.

When it comes to the chick I say "freak off" every time because I don't play that noise. Then I go away madder than hell and ready to pick a fight with anybody close to that point at all.

When it comes to the the Rams I'm like "Hey what about me? I've been around the whole time. Tell the dude to freak himself."

So yeah, I'm single am going to every Ram game this year.

I even sit on the visitors side to tick off opposing fans lol. My commitment is that deep.