BuiltRamTough
Pro Bowler
- Joined
- Nov 16, 2011
- Messages
- 1,209
- Name
- Edmond
Man it has been a long time since I've thought of Captain Kangaroo. I always preferred my captains to have a bit more hair.
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Or with my background...A mighty Shield!
I'm having trouble understanding why this is so hard for some to understand. Options on a lease aren't even rare, it's common. These just happen to be one sided.
My guess is that it's because your baseball team is really good and the Cardinals fans are awesome. Also for a while the only other pro sports team in town was the Blues until the Rams came. It probably just stuck. Maybe? Does it seem like that's a bad thing?I'm not disagreeing with you, but I've seen the baseball town label slapped more on STL than any other city. It's freaking stupid.
You are comparing apples to oranges with the Cardinals stadium situation. They played in a BASEBALL stadium that was operated by the baseball team. So them having "issues" with maintaining the stadium is no where near the same thing here.
I have also read you say many times throughout this thread that the city of STL, didn't uphold their end of the lease. Somehow BREACHING it. That is not even remotely accurate. This whole thing played out exactly how EVERYONE envisioned it would. As far back as 3 years ago, when the topic of "top tier" first reared its ugly head, Kevin Demoff laid out the entire scenario to season ticket holders at one the the luncheons the team held. He said at that time, that the team would make a proposal based on their interpretation of what "top tier" was, as would the CVC. He laid out all the scenarios, including the one that actually occurred. The two parties would be far apart on what they thought would bring the dome in line with the clause.
He also stated, that arbitration would be likely. It has been discussed, that the CVC waited too long to explore options in terms of an alternate stadium. Per the lease, NEITHER party could explore any options that didn't involve the dome. As the Rams were tied to the lease, so was the CVC. It was only after it went to the arbitrator, could either party look at any other options, be it local or otherwise. The CVC excercised is right to decline the arbitrator's decision. This was part of the lease. Therefore, no breach.
Demoff even suggested that the Rams "may" push the envelop and be very aggressive in what they hoped for regarding the dome upgrades. Translation----- our proposal will be such that the CVC will NOT be able to agree to it. So lets stop with the idea that the city of STL and CVC somehow "dropped the ball" here, and that is why this is all happening. The end game all along for the Rams was to get a new facility. Demoff made that perfectly clear. He also went so far as to say "HE" preferred an outdoor stadium as it would make selling premium seating easier. Again, this was THREE YEARS AGO.
What I don't ever see brought up in this discussion..... if the CVC would have accepted the decision, and went ahead with the $700M upgrades, they would have forced the team to find somewhere to play for however long it took to complete the upgrade. The ONLY likely facility would have been to play the games at Mizzou (125 miles west of STL). The other part of that scenario, the convention business would have been lost, costing the CVC even more in lost revenue. So this was never going to be considered, and the Rams knew it.
The thing that was never discussed (for obvious reasons) was the idea of them looking to LA as one of the alternative options.
My guess is that it's because your baseball team is really good and the Cardinals fans are awesome. Also for a while the only other pro sports team in town was the Blues until the Rams came. It probably just stuck. Maybe? Does it seem like that's a bad thing?
We're just splitting hairs over a term. Semantics. The end result, whether it be called a default, breach or whatever, is the same thing.
Still I owe Sum 1 an apology for arguing against his pount.
I don't hear LA referred to as a "basketball town".My guess is that it's because your baseball team is really good and the Cardinals fans are awesome. Also for a while the only other pro sports team in town was the Blues until the Rams came. It probably just stuck. Maybe? Does it seem like that's a bad thing?
My guess is that it's because your baseball team is really good and the Cardinals fans are awesome. Also for a while the only other pro sports team in town was the Blues until the Rams came. It probably just stuck. Maybe? Does it seem like that's a bad thing?
See, that is where the disconnect lies. They didn't PROMISE anything. The part of the lease that included the "top tier" clause was just that. And IF they were unable to meet that very subjective definition, they had the right to excercise, within the terms of the lease, the option to void the remaining years and go year to year.ok fellas have it your way. the CVC promise the Rams a top 25% Stadium and didn't deliver it. nothing wrong there. It gives no one the impression that they did anything wrong. it's just a simple difference of opinion and St Louis is all good
But the info in the link you provided does neither. You may want to read that again. And I do think it is a section from a research paper - not a section from the contract itself. If it is from the negotiated changes, then it was amateur hour at the Apollo.That's just the lease summary and they use default and the term to terminate the lease. In a standard commercial lease the Default and Remedies clause defines what constitutes a default breach of the lease by both Tenant and Landlord, and lays out the remedies both parties can take to resolve the other’s breach.
From merely a strict interpretation of the lease, you are correct. Although, a strong argument can be made that the Rams played to the loophole in the clause by proposing something that was so outrageous that they knew it would never be approved.Still, the point is that the lease being year to year now isn't Kroenke's fault and isn't going to be used against him. There wasn't a clause that the Rams didn't meet (be it by choice or whatever) that allowed the triggering of year to year.
From merely a strict interpretation of the lease, you are correct. Although, a strong argument can be made that the Rams played to the loophole in the clause by proposing something that was so outrageous that they knew it would never be approved.
The arbitrator was in a position of "all or nothing" when making the ruling. If the Rams were more "reasonable" in their interpretation, we wouldn't be where we are. Bottom line for me, this all played out exactly how the Rams envisioned, they wanted a new facility. PERIOD. They knew the only way to ensure that was to force the hand of the CVC and propose something so outrageous it had zero chance of being accepted.
Again, by the strict interpretation, they did nothing outside of the scope here. But we then go back to the negotiate in "good faith" argument that is much more subjective in league circles.
Taxpayers won't fork over the extra money. The public portion of the plan, which is made up of funds raised from hotel-motel taxes, remains $200 million.
The NFL is chipping in another $200 million, with the remaining $800 million coming from the Falcons, team owner Arthur Blank and the sale of personal seat licenses.
For starters, the Rams' proposal would cost more than $700 million, compared to the CVC's $124 million proposal, said Jeff Rainford, Slay's chief of staff. And the construction involved would cost some big downtown conventions, bleeding an additional $500 million from the local economy, he said.
The Rams' vision for the Dome — a 38-page renovation plan marked "confidential" several times — became public after it was released by the office of Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster.
The plan is a counteroffer to the CVC's proposal earlier this year, which the Rams have rejected. The CVC plan proposed capping the public subsidy for renovations at $60 million, calling for the team to cover the rest.
From merely a strict interpretation of the lease, you are correct. Although, a strong argument can be made that the Rams played to the loophole in the clause by proposing something that was so outrageous that they knew it would never be approved.
The arbitrator was in a position of "all or nothing" when making the ruling. If the Rams were more "reasonable" in their interpretation, we wouldn't be where we are. Bottom line for me, this all played out exactly how the Rams envisioned, they wanted a new facility. PERIOD. They knew the only way to ensure that was to force the hand of the CVC and propose something so outrageous it had zero chance of being accepted.
Again, by the strict interpretation, they did nothing outside of the scope here. But we then go back to the negotiate in "good faith" argument that is much more subjective in league circles.
From merely a strict interpretation of the lease, you are correct. Although, a strong argument can be made that the Rams played to the loophole in the clause by proposing something that was so outrageous that they knew it would never be approved.
The arbitrator was in a position of "all or nothing" when making the ruling. If the Rams were more "reasonable" in their interpretation, we wouldn't be where we are. Bottom line for me, this all played out exactly how the Rams envisioned, they wanted a new facility. PERIOD. They knew the only way to ensure that was to force the hand of the CVC and propose something so outrageous it had zero chance of being accepted.
Again, by the strict interpretation, they did nothing outside of the scope here. But we then go back to the negotiate in "good faith" argument that is much more subjective in league circles.
This whole CVC thing is very straightforward and simple, it was a bad lease from the get go and the Rams took advantage of it. Sure we could say that maybe Stan could of said let's forget the lease and let's work something out but he didnt and I wouldn't either, this is business. This is the NFL.The arbitrator ruled that the Rams proposal put the dome in the top 25%, if the Rams had made a proposal that didn't put them in the top 25% they wouldn't have said so.
Are you saying that the Rams should have made a lower offer? Because that makes no sense, why would they do that? The CVC said no for obvious reasons, but they could have made some sort of counteroffer. You're faulting the Rams for making an unacceptable offer, but the offer originally made by the CVC was arguably more unacceptable, because it didn't get them into the top 25%.
Yes, maybe the Rams wanted a new facility, but they didn't walk away from the table, the CVC did, how is that Kroenke's fault? Is he supposed to just become a horrible negotiator just so he can say he did so in good faith?
I get what you're saying and see your point but I doubt it'll make a damn bit of differenceSee, that is where the disconnect lies. They didn't PROMISE anything. The part of the lease that included the "top tier" clause was just that. And IF they were unable to meet that very subjective definition, they had the right to excercise, within the terms of the lease, the option to void the remaining years and go year to year.
They did NOTHING that violates the lease as it was written. They CHOSE to exercise a clause IN THE LEASE that gave them the right to walk away, converting the lease to a year to year starting in 2015. And also, those who seem to think that this clause somehow carries over to the NEW Riverfront Stadium project, really aren't paying attention. The "top-tier" clause ended when they chose to decline the arbitrator's ruling.
I am not going to try to convince anyone that Kroenke isn't serious about the LA option. But referring back to my earlier post regarding Demoff's commentary from the ST luncheon, there is nothing to suggest that the Rams aren't interested in seeing the Riverfront Stadium projuect through, and won't be completely on board with it once the final details and negotiations begin. And by negotiations, I mean the additional revenue streams that can and will be made available to the Rams, that they don't currently enjoy at the Dome.
IMO, this is exactly what Demoff was referring to, when he stated "things will get ugly before they get better!".
The top 25% was subjective on a number of different levels. The Rams included a retractable roof for example, which was NOT necessary to achieve top 25%.The arbitrator ruled that the Rams proposal put the dome in the top 25%, if the Rams had made a proposal that didn't put them in the top 25% they wouldn't have said so.
Are you saying that the Rams should have made a lower offer? Because that makes no sense, why would they do that? The CVC said no for obvious reasons, but they could have made some sort of counteroffer. You're faulting the Rams for making an unacceptable offer, but the offer originally made by the CVC was arguably more unacceptable, because it didn't get them into the top 25%.
Yes, maybe the Rams wanted a new facility, but they didn't walk away from the table, the CVC did, how is that Kroenke's fault? Is he supposed to just become a horrible negotiator just so he can say he did so in good faith?