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[Boffo97]

I would say that they are about a 6 months to a year behind. that honestly doesn't sound bad to me when I look at other cities and especially LA. (no offense) One of the biggest slow downs in the process from what I'm hearing is that they tried for too long to get input on the new stadium from Stan. And he just wouldn't call them back. It took them too long to get the hint, but maybe I would have done the same thing had I been one of the civic leaders.

another misconception is that Gov Nixon waited until after the election to get this ball rolling. He got the ball rolling quite a while ago. He just didn't announce it to the public until after the election. Whether you like Bernie or not he's pretty well connected and he said over a year ago that there were a couple of city leaders working behind the scenes to put together a plan.

To the best of my knowledge, the Inglewood project's funding is already figured out. To me, that puts them ahead in the race.

 

[beej]

To the best of my knowledge, the Inglewood project's funding is already figured out. To me, that puts them ahead in the race.

yeah, and if Stan would have called up Gov Nixon a year ago and said I'm going to spend 2 billion of my own money to build a stadium and revitalize St Louis with a 6000 seat performance venue, housing and retail. All I need you to do is give me back some of the tax profits, It would be done here too.

 

[blue4]

I don't see how LA getting it's act together after 20 yrs is superior to St Louis starting on its plan after 2. That's not meant as an us vs them, just that it doesn't seem remotely logical to assume any avenues have been exhausted. Realistically, they're only about 6 months behind. When I say realistically, I mean by normal people/government standards. Not billionaire the world is my oyster standards. As I've said before, Stan's got enough money to do what he wants right or wrong. But I really don't understand where the "well,there's the end of the lease and no built stadium. How sad for you, everyone get on the bus now" mentality from the rest of the world comes from. I mean you would think the Chargers would be seething at the speed St Louis has moved compared to SD. To say nothing of Viking fans.

 

[bluecoconuts]

yeah, and if Stan would have called up Gov Nixon a year ago and said I'm going to spend 2 billion of my own money to build a stadium and revitalize St Louis with a 6000 seat performance venue, housing and retail. All I need you to do is give me back some of the tax profits, It would be done here too.

That's part of the problem, if Stan doesn't want to stay in St Louis, then the city needs to convince him to stay. Sitting around and then coming up with a proposal that will take 2 years to even see is the funding is there isn't going to do it. St Louis got bent over the table last time, this time I think they're so determined to avoid that, or even bend the other guy instead, it may hurt them.

 

[dbrooks25]

Well, right now, nothing is in place. They have some pretty drawings, great. They're still assuming Stan's going to kick in a couple of million for a place he won't even own which he may not, and that they'll be able to get public funding, which they may not. If not for Goodell's decree/announcement that teams supposedly agreed that there would be no 2015 move, the Rams may have already been gone.

Given that the CVC's decision to not go with the Rams' EJD upgrade plan after the arbitrator agreed with them was 2 years ago next month, I'd say at the very least, this process is a year behind. And you can make the argument that there should have been action on their part after 2005 when the stadium wasn't top tier and the Rams waived that requirement then. They obviously weren't always going to do that.

Peacock stated that he started working on the plan a year ago. The task force may have been announced in November, but trust they started on this a long time ago.

 

[beej]

That's part of the problem, if Stan doesn't want to stay in St Louis, then the city needs to convince him to stay. Sitting around and then coming up with a proposal that will take 2 years to even see is the funding is there isn't going to do it. St Louis got bent over the table last time, this time I think they're so determined to avoid that, or even bend the other guy instead, it may hurt them.

where does the "2 years to even see if the funding is there" timetable come from? I would be absolutely stunned to find out that the funding is not there if it goes down like peacocks plan. Our congress is a bunch of tightwads but they are pro-business if nothing else. If Stan says he likes the plan, I really think this is a done deal. But from what I've seen of Stan's negotiations he will change the deal in someway to make this a bitter pill to swallow. Right now this deal leaves you feeling pretty good. I don't think stan likes it when we feel good. LOL

 

[bluecoconuts]

where does the "2 years to even see if the funding is there" timetable come from? I would be absolutely stunned to find out that the funding is not there if it goes down like peacocks plan. Our congress is a bunch of tightwads but they are pro-business if nothing else. If Stan says he likes the plan, I really think this is a done deal. But from what I've seen of Stan's negotiations he will change the deal in someway to make this a bitter pill to swallow. Right now this deal leaves you feeling pretty good. I don't think stan likes it when we feel good. LOL

In the timetable for the stadium it says between January to December 2017 financing documents are drawn up, negotiated, and signed. Meaning that they don't have the financing in place, they still need to be negotiated even.

 

[Boffo97]

yeah, and if Stan would have called up Gov Nixon a year ago and said I'm going to spend 2 billion of my own money to build a stadium and revitalize St Louis with a 6000 seat performance venue, housing and retail. All I need you to do is give me back some of the tax profits, It would be done here too.

The problem though is that those two ideas are not comparable. A Los Angeles franchise and stadium is going to be a lot more valuable than a St. Louis franchise and stadium.

I don't see how LA getting it's act together after 20 yrs is superior to St Louis starting on its plan after 2.

There are a lot of issues with that phrasing, but the biggest is that it doesn't reflect the reality of what's going on. Which city is closer NOW is one big question. That would seem indisputedly to be L.A. if their financing is as settled as it seems (as in there will be no public financing so that won't need to be approved). The other big one is "Where does Stan prefer to be?" That seems to be L.A., but only one man knows what Stan thinks and he doesn't post here.

Peacock stated that he started working on the plan a year ago. The task force may have been announced in November, but trust they started on this a long time ago.

That seems a year too late to me. It'll be 2 years ago next month that the independent arbitrators ruled in favor of the Rams' plan for bringing the EJD into compliance with the top tier clause and the CVC rejected it. If they wanted to keep the team, they should have been on this the very next day.

 

[Pancake]

but only one man knows what Stan thinks and he doesn't post here.

I still post here bro.

 

[Boffo97]

I still post here bro.

OK, can you read Stan's mind real fast and tell me the combo to his safe?

For... um... research.

 

[RamFan503]

They seem to be moving at a pretty expedited rate compared to most other cities that have been in this situation. Hell, just looking at the other 2 cities in the same position, how long have the Chargers and Raiders been chasing a new stadium? They don't even have a concept drawing. Look when the process was started for the Vikings , 49ers, or the Falcons.

The Chargers and Raiduhs are really a different beast with a whole set of different issues - chief among them the agreement the city made with the Rams to get them to move in to the Ed. It is what it is now but you still can't avoid that promise. As far as the other three teams you mentioned the viqueens might be the closest in relation depending on when you really start the clock ticking. Atlanta actually had a deal in place in one year and started breaking ground the next. SF was probably more contentiously fought than what St Louis is dealing with and the Whiners ended up moving to another city that ponied up $850 million toward the stadium.

 

[beej]

but only one man knows what Stan thinks and he doesn't post here.

HA! I just had an image in my head of having stan in here for a chat and what that would be like. Just a bunch of his posts with no text and his avatar looking at you stone faced?

 

[Boffo97]

HA! I just had an image in my head of having stan in here for a chat and what that would be like. Just a bunch of his posts with no text and his avatar looking at you stone faced?

Me: So, Stan... how are you?

Stan: ...

Me: Um... I see. And how's the weather where you are?

Stan: ...

Me: So, who's your favorite person on the team?

Stan: ...

Me: Wow. Just wow.

 

[TSFH Fan]

NSFW:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjD7mUQjEjE&feature=youtu.be&t=13s

 

[Rmfnlt]

HA! I just had an image in my head of having stan in here for a chat and what that would be like. Just a bunch of his posts with no text and his avatar looking at you stone faced?

This board allows profanity, right?

 

[RamFan503]

Glenn's legislation is the basis for the Antitrust exemptions and rolls the team location decisions under the NFL's hat.

I can't find anywhere that says his or Hoke's bill actually passed and was enacted. Does anyone have this info?

 

[dbrooks25]

The problem though is that those two ideas are not comparable. A Los Angeles franchise and stadium is going to be a lot more valuable than a St. Louis franchise and stadium.


There are a lot of issues with that phrasing, but the biggest is that it doesn't reflect the reality of what's going on. Which city is closer NOW is one big question. That would seem indisputedly to be L.A. if their financing is as settled as it seems (as in there will be no public financing so that won't need to be approved). The other big one is "Where does Stan prefer to be?" That seems to be L.A., but only one man knows what Stan thinks and he doesn't post here.


That seems a year too late to me. It'll be 2 years ago next month that the independent arbitrators ruled in favor of the Rams' plan for bringing the EJD into compliance with the top tier clause and the CVC rejected it. If they wanted to keep the team, they should have been on this the very next day.

I hear ya, but to the people who matter (in this case Grubman), it may have taken longer than they liked but it definitely isn't a too little too late thing which is something that many pro LA people like to throw out there. Grubman even said this. I've said this before, but I think people on each side of the coin see things the way they want to see them.

 

[RamFan503]

This board allows profanity, right?

Fuckin' A.

 

[Boffo97]

I hear ya, but to the people who matter (in this case Grubman), it may have taken longer than they liked but it definitely isn't a too little too late thing which is something that many pro LA people like to throw out there. Grubman even said this. I've said this before, but I think people on each side of the coin sees things the way they want to see them.

There definitely is something to the idea the St. Louis fans and Los Angeles fans are going to be at least a little biased in their perception of things... but in the big picture, anyone who isn't Kroenke who claims to know precisely what's going to happen is full of it.

 

[dbrooks25]

There definitely is something to the idea the St. Louis fans and Los Angeles fans are going to be at least a little biased in their perception of things... but in the big picture, anyone who isn't Kroenke who claims to know precisely what's going to happen is full of it.

Totally agree.