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bluecoconuts

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if they're just quoting the same source, how's that credible? that's really all the media does is piggy back off each other

by your standard the possibility of kroenke being forced to sell should be real since 3 or 4 people have written articles or chimed in on it within 24-36 hours

Because as it grows there's most certainly going to be more scrutiny, and if it holds up to that scrutiny, then that's a good thing.

Right now the only ones who have discussed the rumors are local beat writers, and Peacock, who all want the rumor to be true. If/when national media guys who would be expected to be unbiased are discussing it, and it's not getting debunked, I'd say it's pretty credible.

If you walk to a Ford dealership and 5 guys that work there tell you that Ford are the best vehicles in the world, are you going to instantly buy a Ford, because obviously if 5 people tell you it's true? Or are you going to go look at the Kelley Blue Book, for an unbiased take? I'm waiting for the Kelley Blue Book on this rumor.
 

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Because as it grows there's most certainly going to be more scrutiny, and if it holds up to that scrutiny, then that's a good thing.

Right now the only ones who have discussed the rumors are local beat writers, and Peacock, who all want the rumor to be true. If/when national media guys who would be expected to be unbiased are discussing it, and it's not getting debunked, I'd say it's pretty credible.

If you walk to a Ford dealership and 5 guys that work there tell you that Ford are the best vehicles in the world, are you going to instantly buy a Ford, because obviously if 5 people tell you it's true? Or are you going to go look at the Kelley Blue Book, for an unbiased take? I'm waiting for the Kelley Blue Book on this rumor.

Lol to each their own - sorry i don't buy this. This really come across to me as cherry picking what you wanna believe as it suits your need. You can't spin it both ways
 
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Lol to each their own - sorry i don't buy this. This really come across to me as cherry picking what you wanna believe as it suits your need. You can't spin it both ways

Because I'm waiting for credible sources? So with all those stories about LA being a done deal as well, you must agree with those? Fred Roggin has harped on that story for weeks, do you believe him? And if not, why?
 

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Because I'm waiting for credible sources? So with all those stories about LA being a done deal as well, you must agree with those? Fred Roggin has harped on that story for weeks, do you believe him? And if not, why?
lol no because you pick and choose what stories you wanna believe - i can't get with that logic

to emphasize my point further - according to ESPN (national news), at one point our HC should be Jason Garrett and DC should be Rob Ryan...

yet people on this forum, with their well placed "sources", seem to have a hell lot more insight than national media - especially with calling roster spots and cuts ahead of time

to me, this is what you sound like - "its Pro-LA, its credible... Its Pro-St.Louis, if the national media isn't talking about it it's bull shit"
 

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lol no because you pick and choose what stories you wanna believe - i can't get with that logicA

to emphasize my point further - according to ESPN (national news), at one point our HC should be Jason Garrett and DC should be Rob Ryan...

yet people on this forum, with their well placed "sources", seem to have a hell lot more insight than national media - especially with calling roster spots and cuts ahead of time

No I don't, and you didn't answer my question.

As for Jason Garrett, I'm not familiar with that, but Rob Ryan was hired as our DC and then he quit the next day, remember? Either way, that's not really the same situation. I'm not calling on these guys to be 100% correct, but I'd like to see if it passes their sniff test at least.

If we break down the rumor it has a lot of parts. First the NFL is telling Kroenke that yes they want him to build Inglewood. Then they're telling him that no, he cannot move the Rams there. Then they're saying he needs to find a local ownership group to sell it to. Then they're telling Mark Davis he needs to sell the Raiders to Kroenke. If he doesn't agree, they're going to force him out. Then they'll let the Raiders move to Inglewood. Meanwhile Spanos has to give up on Carson, and either let another team move to LA without him, or STILL shack up with Kroenke. All for what exactly?

It's complex and frankly ridiculous in some aspect of it. Which is why I'm not buying it without unbiased sources confirming it.

In terms of people on this forum understanding some roster moves sooner, that is to be expected, but again a completely different situation.
 

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No I don't, and you didn't answer my question.

As for Jason Garrett, I'm not familiar with that, but Rob Ryan was hired as our DC and then he quit the next day, remember? Either way, that's not really the same situation. I'm not calling on these guys to be 100% correct, but I'd like to see if it passes their sniff test at least.

oh yea, was hilarious each time they were blatantly wrong..especially on the garrett thing

If we break down the rumor it has a lot of parts. First the NFL is telling Kroenke that yes they want him to build Inglewood. Then they're telling him that no, he cannot move the Rams there. Then they're saying he needs to find a local ownership group to sell it to. Then they're telling Mark Davis he needs to sell the Raiders to Kroenke. If he doesn't agree, they're going to force him out. Then they'll let the Raiders move to Inglewood. Meanwhile Spanos has to give up on Carson, and either let another team move to LA without him, or STILL shack up with Kroenke. All for what exactly?

this about sums up about how i feel about everything that you just said

It's complex and frankly ridiculous in some aspect of it. Which is why I'm not buying it without unbiased sources confirming it.
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almost everything you have quoted in your past has been bias'ed sources, Pro-La..
 

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Typically because that's what's left to be posted. I'm trying to put information into the thread, I've never refused to put in an article because it was "pro St Louis." And I've been consistent in not putting stock I to rumors that I didn't feel had credibility, for whatever reason. That includes pro LA and pro St Louis rumors.

Sorry but you won't even discuss how many different issues there are with that rumor, and how many things need to go perfect for it to happen, and yet you're trying to say I'm being biased?

For what? I have no connection to Los Angeles. I'm here for school. Unless I get a job at Cal Tech, I'm not going to have any reason to come back to LA when I'm done. My girlfriends family all live in St Louis, and they're not leaving. I know I'll be going back there. So why am I biased? Because I don't want to see the Rams in person?

I know what I think will happen, and I know what I want to happen. Don't mistake those two for the same thing, because they're separated. I post what I think will happen. If I don't think something will happen, then I don't agree.
 

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Typically because that's what's left to be posted. I'm trying to put information into the thread, I've never refused to put in an article because it was "pro St Louis." And I've been consistent in not putting stock I to rumors that I didn't feel had credibility, for whatever reason. That includes pro LA and pro St Louis rumors.

Sorry but you won't even discuss how many different issues there are with that rumor, and how many things need to go perfect for it to happen, and yet you're trying to say I'm being biased?

For what? I have no connection to Los Angeles. I'm here for school. Unless I get a job at Cal Tech, I'm not going to have any reason to come back to LA when I'm done. My girlfriends family all live in St Louis, and they're not leaving. I know I'll be going back there. So why am I biased? Because I don't want to see the Rams in person?

I know what I think will happen, and I know what I want to happen. Don't mistake those two for the same thing, because they're separated. I post what I think will happen. If I don't think something will happen, then I don't agree.

No I just can't get past the "well since it doesn't have legs so it's not credible" yet acknowledging that the national media hardly if ever reports anything out of St.Louis, and if they do publish anything

Doesn't pass the smell test, as you adequately put it
 

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I've said this a hundred times, and I'm going to keep saying it until it's all finalized

I can't wait till this thing is done and over with
 

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Honestly, I don't think I would. Owners don't usually make personnel decisions, and when they do it doesn't usually work out well (Jerry Jones anyone?), and Peacock wont have the deep pockets that Kroenke has, which means a much lower internal salary cap.

I would look at Peacock as a Managing General partner. IMO, he would most likely get a group together. I concur about the deep pockets, but there is something to be said having an owner attend games and be more involved from a fan perspective. Robert Kraft and I gulp when I post this is like that and before he became ill Pat Bowlen was the best.

Overall you do want an owner that allows his football people to do their jobs, but when I started rooting for the Rams Carroll Rosenbloom was the owner and was more than involved he was the a pig in a bacon and eggs breakfast where the chicken is involved, but the pig is committed. Rosenbloom was committed!
 

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Good riddance. His proudest accomplishment is gerrymandering? Don't let the door knock you on your ass on the way out. Missouri should be exhibit A on the perils of having one party control too much.

My wife and I were talking about him last night. She grew up in the same neighborhood as Diehl and apparently being faithful is not his strong suit. First marriage ended after an affair and like most politician had a child with his mistress. Talk about promoting a stereotype. My father-in-law has a very low opinion of the man.
 
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Peacock has nowhere near the resources to play NFL owner. He'd make a good executive tho.
 

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Peacock has nowhere near the resources to play NFL owner. He'd make a good executive tho.

Correct he would have to be the front man of a group. I don't know how the NFL views the purchase of a franchise by a group instead of an individual.
 

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Perhaps this has been mentioned in this thread - but I wonder how Deflategate will impact the relocation issue - if at all.

You know these 3 owners are doing all they can to butter up to the other owners - at some point - votes will be needed.

Now throw into the mix Kraft - who at this point is probably leading a coup to replace Goodell.

Up until now, this has been a chess match - with the moves somewhat predictable by all sides. Does this throw chaos into the mix?
 

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Correct he would have to be the front man of a group. I don't know how the NFL views the purchase of a franchise by a group instead of an individual.

And that is an essence what I was trying to communicate.
 

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Correct he would have to be the front man of a group. I don't know how the NFL views the purchase of a franchise by a group instead of an individual.

The managing partner must own at least 30% of the team for an unrelated partnership. The way around the requirement would be have him be the owners representative.
 

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And that is an essence what I was trying to communicate.

You and me Den.
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den-the-coach

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The managing partner must own at least 30% of the team for an unrelated partnership. The way around the requirement would be have him be the owners representative.

COO then like Demoff or Team President overseeing all aspects of the team. It's just a thought in the end most likely won't come to fruition because I don't see Stan giving up the Rams, he worked too hard to get them, but stranger things have happened and you prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
 

Hacksaw

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Imo when it comes to owners, money talks. Which i speculate thats why the rumor of the NFL wanting Kroenke to work with Spanos might carry some weight - 2 teams in LA is a helluva lot more revenue.. But according to the same rumors, they appear to have some kind of issues or rift between them.

Kroenke and Spanos were playing golf together late last year and were hanging out on the sidelines in SD. They looked friendly to me.
I don't believe it's personal between them. More about how this affects Spanos' business.
Does co-owning Carson really make Spanos more money after debt servicing all the loans then he'd make simply paying rent to Stan? If not one might assume this situation is doable.
 
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