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[RamFan503]

Doubt he cares. Even Dierdorf has said that's probably not going to be any factor in his decision.



I've wondered how he planned to see any money from this before death as well. But many have mentioned that he wants to leave solid financial legacies in place for his kids.

You know, sometimes the billions you have just aren't enough to fall back on.

It could be that he doesn't care or he could actually feel disrespected by the city with their apparent thought that they were in the drivers seat and had all the leverage. The inaction dating back several years could very easily have started the Inglewood ball rolling. I highly doubt he did all that work trying to bring the NFL to St Louis with the idea of moving BACK to the LA area. If he is set on doing that - which we still honestly don't know for sure - I have to think that something sent him in that direction. Personally, I have to think it was the way the city/CVC was handling things - or not handling things as seems to be the case. Once that Inglewood ball got rolling, was it too hard to stop? Maybe so.

Part of the problem with this whole thought that a billionaire doesn't need any more money or won't live to see any of it is that most of these guys "worth" is tied up in fixed assets. There is not a whole lot of liquidity there. What the added billions in worth buys guys like Stan is an ability to keep playing on a bigger stage. Those assets and net worth mean that if he wants to close a deal for an enormous project, he has the leverage and big boy status to do so. I highly doubt he is really worried about money at this point but more in what that money/worth means to his business dealings, legacy, and heirs. But he doesn't need to see one dime from this project for it to benefit him in his overall business dealings. And that I suspect IS what matters to him and why he may really want to do this project.

BTW - the guy is supposedly in great health. At 68, he could potentially live another 30 years or so. Won't reap any benefits? I'm guessing that is not the case.

 

[den-the-coach]

Gentlemen...Stan does not give a rat's pa-toot if he's beloved and I'm betting he's spent far more time in Colorado and California than Missouri of late. Fact is, it's dollars and cents and that's it. You can tie in legacy and he'll either be remembered as the man who brought professional football back to the City of Angels or at the last minute saved the Gateway City from losing it's second professional football team.

In the end some will despise him and some will sing Zip-a-Dee freaking Doo-Dah every time they see or hear his name!

 

[dbrooks25]

Gentlemen...Stan does not give a rat's pa-toot if he's beloved and I'm betting he's spent far more time in Colorado and California than Missouri of late. Fact is, it's dollars and cents and that's it. You can tie in legacy and he'll either be remembered as the man who brought professional football back to the City of Angels or at the last minute saved the Gateway City from losing it's second professional football team.

In the end some will despise him and some will sing Zip-a-Dee freaking Doo-Dah every time they see or hear his name!

Nope, billionaires don't get to where they are by giving a rat's ass about much of anything that has nothing to do with filling their pockets.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Gentlemen...Stan does not give a rat's pa-toot if he's beloved and I'm betting he's spent far more time in Colorado and California than Missouri of late. Fact is, it's dollars and cents and that's it. You can tie in legacy and he'll either be remembered as the man who brought professional football back to the City of Angels or at the last minute saved the Gateway City from losing it's second professional football team.

In the end some will despise him and some will sing Zip-a-Dee freaking Doo-Dah every time they see or hear his name!

His home of residence is still Missouri, but I do believe he spends more time at his home in Malibu and Denver. I think I remember something about his childhood home being ran down now.

In the end I don't think that cares all that much about what people will think of him if he does end up moving. For everyone that's upset, there will be at least one that loves him for the move.

 

[Hacksaw]

There in lies the rub. He want's to make more money and shake the Wal-Mart thing off of him. Prove he is bigger than his wifes inheritances. LA will do that. This desire is lining up with what the league want's in LA so it would take a major upset to derail this thing. Upset like earthquake, or not enough water left to mix into the concrete or something. Billionaires somehow have insulated themselves from the feelings of people when they go to sleep. I don't know how to do that but I'm not a billionaire either.

 

[RAMbler]

It could be that he doesn't care or he could actually feel disrespected by the city with their apparent thought that they were in the drivers seat and had all the leverage. The inaction dating back several years could very easily have started the Inglewood ball rolling. I highly doubt he did all that work trying to bring the NFL to St Louis with the idea of moving BACK to the LA area. If he is set on doing that - which we still honestly don't know for sure - I have to think that something sent him in that direction. Personally, I have to think it was the way the city/CVC was handling things - or not handling things as seems to be the case. Once that Inglewood ball got rolling, was it too hard to stop? Maybe so.

Part of the problem with this whole thought that a billionaire doesn't need any more money or won't live to see any of it is that most of these guys "worth" is tied up in fixed assets. There is not a whole lot of liquidity there. What the added billions in worth buys guys like Stan is an ability to keep playing on a bigger stage. Those assets and net worth mean that if he wants to close a deal for an enormous project, he has the leverage and big boy status to do so. I highly doubt he is really worried about money at this point but more in what that money/worth means to his business dealings, legacy, and heirs. But he doesn't need to see one dime from this project for it to benefit him in his overall business dealings. And that I suspect IS what matters to him and why he may really want to do this project.

BTW - the guy is supposedly in great health. At 68, he could potentially live another 30 years or so. Won't reap any benefits? I'm guessing that is not the case.

My feeling is that he has had his eye on L.A. all along. Once he owned a team of course. The only bumps in the road (IMO) were whether or not another team would beat him to it. Due to the time consuming arbitration, and the waiting for the lease to run it's course. But Los Angeles was always there. Open, and waiting for the right situation. Then the Dodgers sold. Then the Clippers sold. And again, IMO, that put him on a faster track.

Who knows what all goes on in the minds of billionaire business men? The only thing we know for sure is..., $$$$. Always..... $$$$. Legacy? As you said, he can have a bigger then life legacy just about anywhere he wants to put it.

And I agree about his health/age. He seems like a person who will make it to his 90's. Then, when the end comes, we'll need to worry about what kind of owner his kid(s) will be.....

 

[den-the-coach]

Nope, billionaires don't get to where they are by giving a rat's ass about much of anything that has nothing to do with filling their pockets.

So true my Ram brother, so true!

 

[RamFan503]

My feeling is that he has had his eye on L.A. all along. Once he owned a team of course.

Except that doesn't mesh with him trying to get an expansion team in St Louis while there were 2 teams playing in LA. Clearly that wasn't his plan then and I have a hard time buying that it was his plan when he signed on to buy a portion of the team so they could move to St Louis. It could have been the plan when he bought the controlling interest but I don't think the Hollywood Park project was much of an option for him at that point.

My guess is (as that is what we are all doing) that he started investing in an alternative when he saw nothing happening in St Louis and there have even been allegations that the city and CVC kind of thumbed their noses at the very idea that Stan might pack up and leave.

I don't know that this happened, but to me it makes more sense than most things I've seen and read.

 

[RamFan503]

His home of residence is still Missouri, but I do believe he spends more time at his home in Malibu and Denver. I think I remember something about his childhood home being ran down now.

I'm not sure but from what I understand, his primary residence is listed as the one in MO. Unless there is some sort of tax incentive, he would pay less by declaring his much more expensive residence in Malibu as his primary. My understanding is that because his HQ is still in MO, he actually spends more time in MO. Not sure though.

I remember that article about his childhood home being in disrepair but I believe it said someone else owns it. I got the impression he hasn't lived in or owned that house in quite some time. His house I think is in Columbia, MO I think he owns the house he's in for something like 40 years. The reference I believe was more that on the patio of that old farm house was where he sat with his grampa listening to the Cards' baseball games.

 

[Hacksaw]

We should all be careful what we say 'cos ol Stan just might surprise us.

 

[BriansRams]

Neither is a 20 yr CURRENT history. The actual reasons would be all money, nothing else. If Anchorage, Alaska was where the money was, Stan would be moving there. I don't think there is anyone left who denies this is the case.

Oh, absolutely about money. No question. But money AND a location with a 50 year history is better than some new location who has no fan base at all. That's all I'm saying. And I don't have any bias because I don't live in the LA area anymore. I'm in the Pacific NW.

 

[RAMbler]

Except that doesn't mesh with him trying to get an expansion team in St Louis while there were 2 teams playing in LA. Clearly that wasn't his plan then and I have a hard time buying that it was his plan when he signed on to buy a portion of the team so they could move to St Louis. It could have been the plan when he bought the controlling interest but I don't think the Hollywood Park project was much of an option for him at that point.

My guess is (as that is what we are all doing) that he started investing in an alternative when he saw nothing happening in St Louis and there have even been allegations that the city and CVC kind of thumbed their noses at the very idea that Stan might pack up and leave.

I don't know that this happened, but to me it makes more sense than most things I've seen and read.

Thus.... my take "once he owned a team"...., as in 'the big kahuna'. And no, Hollywood Park may not have been in the picture early on. But I think LA definately was.

I've always felt that the man was going to follow his head (Businessman), or follow his heart (Missouri man).

Thing is....., the dude can still surprise us all.

 

[blue4]

It could be that he doesn't care or he could actually feel disrespected by the city with their apparent thought that they were in the drivers seat and had all the leverage. The inaction dating back several years could very easily have started the Inglewood ball rolling. I highly doubt he did all that work trying to bring the NFL to St Louis with the idea of moving BACK to the LA area. If he is set on doing that - which we still honestly don't know for sure - I have to think that something sent him in that direction. Personally, I have to think it was the way the city/CVC was handling things - or not handling things as seems to be the case. Once that Inglewood ball got rolling, was it too hard to stop? Maybe so.

Part of the problem with this whole thought that a billionaire doesn't need any more money or won't live to see any of it is that most of these guys "worth" is tied up in fixed assets. There is not a whole lot of liquidity there. What the added billions in worth buys guys like Stan is an ability to keep playing on a bigger stage. Those assets and net worth mean that if he wants to close a deal for an enormous project, he has the leverage and big boy status to do so. I highly doubt he is really worried about money at this point but more in what that money/worth means to his business dealings, legacy, and heirs. But he doesn't need to see one dime from this project for it to benefit him in his overall business dealings. And that I suspect IS what matters to him and why he may really want to do this project.

BTW - the guy is supposedly in great health. At 68, he could potentially live another 30 years or so. Won't reap any benefits? I'm guessing that is not the case.

I suppose he could feel disrespected that the city didn't start preparing 5 years ago to build him a stadium without him having to ask for it. I mean not starting to build a new stadium 15 years after he got the last one is quite the indignity. He would be wrong of course, but you're right. He could actually think that.
A person could logically conclude that the alleged inaction was less about thinking we were in the driver's seat and more about trying to sell to the public the notion that we should be building a new stadium again in a mere 20 years. When the old one isn't paid off yet.

All to avoid hurting the feelings of a man who's already made bank on the first move and at the time enjoyed the finest lease in the land.

No sir he would be dead wrong.

 

[Goose]

NFL probably won't vote on L.A. stadium proposals for six months
SAM FARMER

There will not be a stadium vote at the owners meetings in May, and it probably will be a minimum of six months before the league decides which plan to support.


Carson NFL stadium plan report projects $500-million spending boost

NFL Executive Vice President Eric Grubman, the league's point man on L.A., dismissed conjecture that a vote of owners is imminent, saying "that's based on the fact there's been an awful lot of progress made on the two sites in Los Angeles, and it's beginning to be tangible."

"But the fact is we're not planning for a vote in May or any time soon," Grubman said. "We have a process. It's deliberate. There are steps that need to be taken, and I think that's much more likely to be later in this calendar year at the soonest."

St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke has proposed a stadium as part of a larger housing and retail development at Hollywood Park. The San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders have joined forces to support a competing plan at Carson. To get the green light from the league, a plan would need the support of 3/4 of the 32 team owners.

At the annual owners meetings in Phoenix last month, Grubman conducted an hourlong presentation to bring owners up to speed on the L.A. situation. The owners will convene again in San Francisco in mid-May, and L.A. again will be one of the topics. Grubman plans to have representatives of the Inglewood and Carson plans make their own general presentations, though the briefings are not expected to be too detailed.



Inglewood NFL stadium plan developers, labor group reach jobs deal

Grubman said the league will not be ready to vote on the proposals until the design and financing plans are complete, and a temporary L.A. venue (such as the Coliseum or Rose Bowl) has been arranged. He said those checklist items could be completed by September, but more likely October or November.

As it stands, the Hollywood Park project is further along than Carson, and has the necessary entitlements to begin construction. The Chargers and Raiders are expected to have identical entitlements from Carson in the coming weeks.

Whereas Kroenke's architects have been working on his project for the better part of a year, the Chargers and Raiders have been collaborating on their combined vision for the last six weeks. The original stadium renderings shown when they announced their proposal in February were produced only by the Chargers, without input from the Raiders.

What's happening with the L.A. proposals is only part of the story. The NFL is simultaneously looking at the current home markets of the Rams, Chargers and Raiders, and what those cities are doing to keep their teams.

"We've been encouraged by what we've seen in St. Louis, and it's too early to tell in San Diego and Oakland," said Grubman, who plans to be in San Diego and Oakland later this month to check progress.

Asked whether the process has moved along quickly to this point, Grubman said: "I wouldn't use the word 'quickly.' I would say that the pace has picked up, but I don't view it as hurried. It's very deliberate. We and the clubs have built momentum, and that momentum seems like it will continue."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-stadium-la-20150407-story.html

 

[blue4]

I'm not sure but from what I understand, his primary residence is listed as the one in MO. Unless there is some sort of tax incentive, he would pay less by declaring his much more expensive residence in Malibu as his primary. My understanding is that because his HQ is still in MO, he actually spends more time in MO. Not sure though.

I remember that article about his childhood home being in disrepair but I believe it said someone else owns it. I got the impression he hasn't lived in or owned that house in quite some time. His house I think is in Columbia, MO I think he owns the house he's in for something like 40 years. The reference I believe was more that on the patio of that old farm house was where he sat with his grampa listening to the Cards' baseball games.

During the Dierdorf interview he claims Stan spends far more time in Colorado and California then Missouri. I don't know if he's right, but I do think he's in a position to at least have an educated guess. I would've thought the reason he has his primary in Missouri would be tax related, but I have no idea if I'm correct or not.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I suppose he could feel disrespected that the city didn't start preparing 5 years ago to build him a stadium without him having to ask for it. I mean not starting to build a new stadium 15 years after he got the last one is quite the indignity. He would be wrong of course, but you're right. He could actually think that.
A person could logically conclude that the alleged inaction was less about thinking we were in the driver's seat and more about trying to sell to the public the notion that we should be building a new stadium again in a mere 20 years. When the old one isn't paid off yet.

All to avoid hurting the feelings of a man who's already made bank on the first move and at the time enjoyed the finest lease in the land.

No sir he would be dead wrong.

Well it's not like they didn't know it was going to happen. The deal said that each 10 years the dome should be in the top 25%, after the first 10 years the Rams gave them a pass. In 2012 the dome was not only far away from top 25 in the NFL, but 7th worst in the United States. Actually ranked 4th now, since three venues ahead have either been rebuilt or in the process of doing it. On top of that the dome not only needs a total renovation from top to bottom, but they don't have any money to do it, in fact it's projected they'll be over 60 million dollars in debt by 2030. Unfortunately the city made an absolutely horrid deal to lure the Rams there, and it could very well blow up in their face. I don't really know if Stan is doing everything is just purely out of spite, but I think he's hesitant to work with the city when everyone dragged their feet for so long, and they aren't exactly giving him things that he wanted.

I don't know if they have or not, but I think if they really want to get anywhere with Stan they need to offer him the land (and not just the option to pay for it) and allow him to own/operate the stadium if he wants. If the goal is to keep the Rams for a long time, then this will certainly go a long way in doing it. If the goal is to compensate for getting absolutely fleeced in the past, by ensuring that you get almost all the control and money, then Kroenke may just take his ball and leave.

I'm really unsure of what types of incentives the city has offered Stan, but since a lot of what they've done has been motivated by politics (including not really talking about thing or really getting the ball rolling until after elections) I get the feeling they haven't really offered much. They may have tweaked the stadium a bit based on input, but I'm thinking Kroenke wants significantly more than that, because he wants a sizable portion of the pie.

 

[myronjax]

"But the fact is we're not planning for a vote in May or any time soon," Grubman said. "We have a process. It's deliberate. There are steps that need to be taken, and I think that's much more likely to be later in this calendar year at the soonest."

St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke has proposed a stadium as part of a larger housing and retail development at Hollywood Park. The San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders have joined forces to support a competing plan at Carson. To get the green light from the league, a plan would need the support of 3/4 of the 32 team owners.

So, if I am connecting the dots correctly, Grubman is saying that to get a "thumbs up" from the NFL to put the shovels in the dirt in LA, a vote has to be taken among the owners FIRST. And this voting wont happen until this fall. So, even though the Inglewood project is "ahead" of the Carson project at this time, Carson has time to catch up. Inglewood may be ready to put shovels in the dirt now, but they cant until they get the green light, which is months away. Meanwhile, back in the 314, Mr. Peacock's efforts have time to cross their "T"s and dot their "I"s. So, come voting time, the owners will have to decide between 2 projects in LA ready to roll, and a current city with all of their financing and land acquisition ready to build a stadium AGAIN for the home team. Did I miss something, or is this it in a nutshell? That should be one interesting owner's meeting this Fall!!

 

[bluecoconuts]

So, if I am connecting the dots correctly, Grubman is saying that to get a "thumbs up" from the NFL to put the shovels in the dirt in LA, a vote has to be taken among the owners FIRST. And this voting wont happen until this fall. So, even though the Inglewood project is "ahead" of the Carson project at this time, Carson has time to catch up. Inglewood may be ready to put shovels in the dirt now, but they cant until they get the green light, which is months away. Meanwhile, back in the 314, Mr. Peacock's efforts have time to cross their "T"s and dot their "I"s. So, come voting time, the owners will have to decide between 2 projects in LA ready to roll, and a current city with all of their financing and land acquisition ready to build a stadium AGAIN for the home team. Did I miss something, or is this it in a nutshell? That should be one interesting owner's meeting this Fall!!

Carson was always expected to "catch up" in terms of getting permits and all that. The biggest question they'll have is in terms of financing, which is pretty much the biggest question every potential site, other than Inglewood has. I get the feeling that May will be when the owners all make their pitch (Carson likely changes some now that the Raiders will actually give input, don't expect much other than details from Inglewood) and probably give everyone the details of what the venues offer, financing, timelines, etc. The owners probably will have the stadium they want, at least in their minds, and then they'll give the site by the fall to get everything in order and ready to go. Ultimately if the two projects getting everything ready, they don't really need the NFL's blessing to throw a shovel into the dirt, but it obviously makes things far less of a pain in the ass if they do. The fall deadline, could possibly make it so every home market lacks sufficient time to actually get everything in order, which would give the NFL a moral out to justify leaving.

 

[blue4]

Well it's not like they didn't know it was going to happen. The deal said that each 10 years the dome should be in the top 25%, after the first 10 years the Rams gave them a pass. In 2012 the dome was not only far away from top 25 in the NFL, but 7th worst in the United States. Actually ranked 4th now, since three venues ahead have either been rebuilt or in the process of doing it. On top of that the dome not only needs a total renovation from top to bottom, but they don't have any money to do it, in fact it's projected they'll be over 60 million dollars in debt by 2030. Unfortunately the city made an absolutely horrid deal to lure the Rams there, and it could very well blow up in their face. I don't really know if Stan is doing everything is just purely out of spite, but I think he's hesitant to work with the city when everyone dragged their feet for so long, and they aren't exactly giving him things that he wanted.

I don't know if they have or not, but I think if they really want to get anywhere with Stan they need to offer him the land (and not just the option to pay for it) and allow him to own/operate the stadium if he wants. If the goal is to keep the Rams for a long time, then this will certainly go a long way in doing it. If the goal is to compensate for getting absolutely fleeced in the past, by ensuring that you get almost all the control and money, then Kroenke may just take his ball and leave.

I'm really unsure of what types of incentives the city has offered Stan, but since a lot of what they've done has been motivated by politics (including not really talking about thing or really getting the ball rolling until after elections) I get the feeling they haven't really offered much. They may have tweaked the stadium a bit based on input, but I'm thinking Kroenke wants significantly more than that, because he wants a sizable portion of the pie.

The problem isn't that he's not getting everything he wants now, the problem is that he GOT everything he and GF wanted 20 years ago.
I don't really blame the city for not kissing his ass the second he wants it kissed, and the exact way he wants it kissed.

 

[bluecoconuts]

The problem isn't that he's not getting everything he wants now, the problem is that he GOT everything he and GF wanted 20 years ago.
I don't really blame the city for not kissing his ass the second he wants it kissed, and the exact way he wants it kissed.

I get that, but unfortunately he holds the cards, because St Louis is the one that couldn't live up to their end, not him. They don't need to bend over for him, but they can give him a nice deal that makes him happy, and not include pants on head retarded things like "We'll make sure it's top 10 every year AND pay for it!".. That was a move to lure the team there, and they got it, they don't need to make that offer again. Instead of trying to play politics and compensating for the raw deal, they need to make something that is good for him, and ensures the team stays there. Last I heard St Louis wanted to own the venue, collect the ad revenue, the PSL's, etc, plus part of the construction costs go into renovating the Edwards Jones Dome which Kroenke wouldn't use anymore. There's just not really much incentive for him if that's all still the case, especially if he's expecting to put up half the cost. I'm not saying give him everything, but give him more than that, esepcially since he tends to like being the owner and operator of the venues his teams play in. Instead they're going to hand control over to the same group of guys who pissed him off in the first place over the Edwards Jones Dome? Why would he want to be forced to work with them again? If he's pissed off, then sweeten the deal, but in a smart way.