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[ChrisW]

Do all you guys arguing about rivalries see the hypocrisy about wanting the team to move?

You can't honestly sit there and wish for the team to move for the rivalries to remain but alienate a fanbase (for the second time).

 

[bluecoconuts]

Do all you guys arguing about rivalries see the hypocrisy about wanting the team to move?

You can't honestly sit there and wish for the team to move for the rivalries to remain but alienate a fanbase (for the second time).

The Rams don't really have any real big rivalries anymore though, do they? The 49ers have kind of fallen to the wayside since they have left.

I get the fans don't like Chicago, or Kansas City, but the teams haven't played nearly enough for a rivalry to develop. Really typically playoffs are needed for the rivalry to really develop.

Similar to the Kings and the Ducks, as fan bases we were natural rivals, but the league got excited for last year when they finally met for a playoff series, because the rivalry could really develop. The Kings and Sharks as well as Kings and Canucks developed a great rivalry after the playoffs. Right now the Rams by combination of bad play, and moving away from a natural city rival, don't really have that true rivalry where the players just hate each other and you can tell.

 

[rams2050]

I mean, LA HAD the Rams -- for a long time. No one seemed too bummed out when they left. How many fans were attending? 37,000? IN LA? A huge market?

I doubt St. Louis has ever had a mere 37,000 butts in the seat other than for a pre-season, nothing game.

How long, I wonder, until LA abandons the Rams again, should they move back?

St. Louis hasn't yet abandoned them -- and we have experienced some truly awful football.

 

[RhodyRams]

I mean, LA HAD the Rams -- for a long time. No one seemed too bummed out when they left. How many fans were attending? 37,000? IN LA? A huge market?

I doubt St. Louis has ever had a mere 37,000 butts in the seat other than for a pre-season, nothing game.

How long, I wonder, until LA abandons the Rams again, should they move back?

St. Louis hasn't yet abandoned them -- and we have experienced some truly awful football.

I know you mean well with this post, but we have gotten pretty far in this discussion without bashing either cities fan base. Lets try to refrain from that

 

[BuiltRamTough]

I mean, LA HAD the Rams -- for a long time. No one seemed too bummed out when they left. How many fans were attending? 37,000? IN LA? A huge market?

I doubt St. Louis has ever had a mere 37,000 butts in the seat other than for a pre-season, nothing game.

How long, I wonder, until LA abandons the Rams again, should they move back?

St. Louis hasn't yet abandoned them -- and we have experienced some truly awful football.

Everyone always brings this up. When a city knows that there is a good chance the team is going to leave they don't show up.

Will see what the dome looks like this year.

I for one won't say STL didn't show support, that is why they left. Bc I'll know what's going on and I know STL is in a sticky spot right now. IF they average 30-40k, well then God bless them. I could never ever criticize a fan for not going to a game.

There's not fan support in LA. That's why the NFL wants 2 teams in LA. There's some smart guys in the NFL. You would think they know what's up with the the fan support in la. The NFL..oh Ya back in 95 there was no support so Ya let's never put back there again. Ok. Or maybe we should put 2 teams in a 80,000 seat venue with PSL's and ticket prices up the ass.

 

[D L]

The Rams don't really have any real big rivalries anymore though, do they? The 49ers have kind of fallen to the wayside since they have left.

I think it has more to do with how the Rams have played on the field rather than location.

I think the Rams and Cards may develop into a rivalry after Bruce Arians opened his big mouth.

 

[Hacksaw]

I mean, LA HAD the Rams -- for a long time. No one seemed too bummed out when they left. How many fans were attending? 37,000? IN LA? A huge market?

I doubt St. Louis has ever had a mere 37,000 butts in the seat other than for a pre-season, nothing game.

How long, I wonder, until LA abandons the Rams again, should they move back?

St. Louis hasn't yet abandoned them -- and we have experienced some truly awful football.

Since you're going into the past and using a lame duck season in LA for your evidence, back on December 13th the Cardinals beat the Giants 27-24 in front of 29,623 fans in their final game at Busch Stadium. Faced with dwindling attendance in an outdated stadium talk swirled around St. Louis the team was ready to fly away for a new home.

LA Rams averaged 43,312 their final year in LA and that is with a 2nd more successful team sharing the market.

So what was your point again or are you simply bashing LA?

This was about a stadium then, and it's about a stadium now. Not the fans.

OH and believe me, we're still bummed out.

http://losangelesrams.org/about/statistics/attendance.html
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/azstl/cardsstl.html

 

[BuiltRamTough]

Since you're going into the past and using a lame duck season in LA for your evidence, back on December 13th the Cardinals beat the Giants 27-24 in front of 29,623 fans in their final game at Busch Stadium. Faced with dwindling attendance in an outdated stadium talk swirled around St. Louis the team was ready to fly away for a new home.

LA Rams averaged 43,312 their final year in LA and that is with a 2nd more successful team sharing the market.

So what was your point again or are you simply bashing LA?

This was about a stadium then, and it's about a stadium now. Not the fans.

OH and believe me, we're still bummed out.

http://losangelesrams.org/about/statistics/attendance.html
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/azstl/cardsstl.html

People that say LA fans don't show up are peanut butter and jealous. All the stuff to do in SoCal and all the teams we have plus an owner that's spending 2 bill on a stadium will cause people to hate. You guys watched the game in SD last year. Yall tell me what you saw. We're hungry.

 

[LesBaker]

I think it has more to do with how the Rams have played on the field rather than location.

I think the Rams and Cards may develop into a rivalry after Bruce Arians opened his big mouth.

I think it became a rivalry before that. When the Cardinals rose up as Warner was helping that franchise legitimize itself it became a rivalry.

 

[Hacksaw]

People that say LA fans don't show up are peanut butter and jealous. All the stuff to do in SoCal and all the teams we have plus an owner that's spending 2 bill on a stadium will cause people to hate. You guys watched the game in SD last year. Yall tell me what you saw. We're hungry.

I was there and bet Stan was pleasantly reassured that day.
LA averaged over 83,000 back when.

 

[BuiltRamTough]

I was there and bet Stan was pleasantly reassured that day.
LA averaged over 83,000 back when.

Stan remembers. If Stan bought the team whole in 95 maybe he wouldn't of took the team to STL. All you got to do it look at the link you posted and not guess and speculate. There's 1 pic online of a half empty stadium in 95 I think it's the last game day played but people go off of that one pic. But they look at the average numbers and go wow.

 

[fearsomefour]

Since you're going into the past and using a lame duck season in LA for your evidence, back on December 13th the Cardinals beat the Giants 27-24 in front of 29,623 fans in their final game at Busch Stadium. Faced with dwindling attendance in an outdated stadium talk swirled around St. Louis the team was ready to fly away for a new home.

LA Rams averaged 43,312 their final year in LA and that is with a 2nd more successful team sharing the market.

So what was your point again or are you simply bashing LA?

This was about a stadium then, and it's about a stadium now. Not the fans.

OH and believe me, we're still bummed out.

http://losangelesrams.org/about/statistics/attendance.html
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/azstl/cardsstl.html

In fairness a decent amount of those 43,000 were fans of the visiting team. That seems to happen all the time in NFL stadiums now, including St. Louis. If a team is struggling people feel fine recouping some of the considerable cost of their season tickets.
The whole talk of moving is depressing to me, it shows a team in a state of flux....I for one am tired of the Rams being fluxed up.

 

[Hacksaw]

In fairness a decent amount of those 43,000 were fans of the visiting team.
...it shows a team in a state of flux....I for one am tired of the Rams being fluxed up.

LOL.. make that 2. I look forward to this being resolved so we can pick up the pieces and move on.

Stadium attendance has always had visitor rep in the house always, everywhere. Possibly more in LA due to the conditions here that draw so many transplants. That on last day in StL I wonder how many Giant's fans were there.

 

[fearsomefour]

LOL.. make that 2. I look forward to this being resolved so we can pick up the pieces and move on.

Stadium attendance has always had visitor rep in the house always, every where.

True.
It was bad that last year in LA....in truth now, with the cost, it is bad anywhere a home team is having a bad year. Just too easy to go see a movie and sell your tickets for hundreds of dollars.
For a long time I thought I would be stoked if the Rams returned to LA. I am finding myself strangely indifferent. Maybe because it would be a 14 hour drive to go to a game, so, wouldn't be going to any more than I do now. Maybe because I have "matured" beyond the city vs city thing. I will remain a Ram fan no matter what city they call home. As someone who was a fanatical season ticket holder in LA it is painful to see your team leave. A part of me hopes St. Louis doesn't have to go through that a second time.

 

[RamFan503]

As Rhody said earlier. This thread is not about which fan base is better. That is a ridiculous argument anyway. Please keep this thread directed at stadium talk and leave the fan base out of it. And while we're at it, I've had to delete too many posts that call Mr. Kroenke names. Doing that with any current Rams player or member of the organization is not allowed in this forum. In the future I will simple block anyone from this thread that can't follow that simple rule.

 

[Hacksaw]

True.
It was bad that last year in LA....in truth now, with the cost, it is bad anywhere a home team is having a bad year. Just too easy to go see a movie and sell your tickets for hundreds of dollars.
For a long time I thought I would be stoked if the Rams returned to LA. I am finding myself strangely indifferent. Maybe because it would be a 14 hour drive to go to a game, so, wouldn't be going to any more than I do now. Maybe because I have "matured" beyond the city vs city thing. I will remain a Ram fan no matter what city they call home. As someone who was a fanatical season ticket holder in LA it is painful to see your team leave. A part of me hopes St. Louis doesn't have to go through that a second time.

I too have mixed feelings. As the years passed I became more 'at peace' with the whole thing. Other than that unanswerable sense of confusion that occurs when I ask myself the question, 'self, how is it that the Los Angeles Rams moved away from LA?' Then I remember the answer.

For those of you who remember the Carrol Rosenbloom owned Rams or the even the Dan Reeves days you will get what LA fan is talking about.
In a 1957 game against the San Francisco 49ers, the Rams set a record for attendance for a regular-season NFL game (102,368 people). The Rams drew over 100,000 fans twice the following year. The Rams we're the 1st team to have a logo on their helmet and were the first team to have all of it's game televised. This was not your average team. Even future commissioner Pete Rozelle was an executive in our front office.

Since GF, they became a laughing stock, and for those who choose to, or are limited by age, will never know how mighty the Rams once were. I think a return to their former home without GF will be the first step in restoring that amazing tradition.

 

[MrMotes]

Georgia left L.A. for the money. If Stan leaves St. Louis it will be for the same reason.

It's pointless, and factually wrong, to bash the fans in either case. They have/had nothing to do with it.

Since GF, they became a laughing stock, and for those who choose to, or are limited by age, will never know how mighty the Rams once were. I think a return to their former home without GF will be the first step in restoring that amazing tradition.

You're right but let's not forget it was Rosenbloom who initiated the move to Anaheim which kind of began the whole thing.

 

[Legatron4]

I'm just sad because I won't be able to afford to go to LA for games. Hotels, airfare and tickets are way too expensive. So I most likely will never be able to attend another Rams game.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I mean, LA HAD the Rams -- for a long time. No one seemed too bummed out when they left. How many fans were attending? 37,000? IN LA? A huge market?

I doubt St. Louis has ever had a mere 37,000 butts in the seat other than for a pre-season, nothing game.

How long, I wonder, until LA abandons the Rams again, should they move back?

St. Louis hasn't yet abandoned them -- and we have experienced some truly awful football.

I wouldn't go about comparing for a multitude of reasons. One attendance figures back then were turnstiles, meaning actual butts in seats, while now they're tickets bought which inflate numbers.

Plus the Rams typically were above league average in terms of pure attendance numbers, but they had such a large stadium the percentage was lower. They averaged something like 64K their last few years.

 

[Hacksaw]

Georgia left L.A. for the money. If Stan leaves St. Louis it will be for the same reason.
It's pointless, and factually wrong, to bash the fans in either case. They have/had nothing to do with it.

You're right but let's not forget it was Rosenbloom who initiated the move to Anaheim which kind of began the whole thing.

You are correct about the reason.
Rosenbloom had some more strings to pull to get his deal in Anaheim done when he suddenly drowned the same year he changed his will due to a IRS change in inheritance tax for widows. We'll never know if he would have gotten his stadium done but I have to feel he would have. That said, it sucks he moved to the OC period,,, even though they were then closer to my digs.