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beej

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So what if....
The rams move back to LA and then STL gets the raiders. woo-freakin-hoo...then in 15 years Oakland gets their act together and wants them back and I guess we will just have to let them go because at that point our stadium will be 15 years old and they will have plans for a new shiny one-best in the NFL. and precedent will have been set that a new shiny stadium will get you your team back.

is that what the NFL wants me to buy tickets and PSL's for. Nahhh not happening. fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.
 

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So what if....
The rams move back to LA and then STL gets the raiders. woo-freakin-hoo...then in 15 years Oakland gets their act together and wants them back and I guess we will just have to let them go because at that point our stadium will be 15 years old and they will have plans for a new shiny one-best in the NFL. and precedent will have been set that a new shiny stadium will get you your team back.

is that what the NFL wants me to buy tickets and PSL's for. Nahhh not happening. fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

I understand your frustration on this. As I'm frustrated with it too. But, I don't think you'll see another lease in STL like this current one. There will be no opting out. It'll be a straight 30 year lease.
 

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What is it about the design of Stan Kroenke’s Los Angeles stadium that gives him the edge over other NFL owners considering a move to Los Angeles? Yahoo Sports’ Dan Wetzel talks to Kevin Wheeler about the topic.

Listen to Wetzel Talk LA Stadium
 

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NFL Owners Weigh St. Louis and L.A. Stadium Plans
By Luke Schnake

http://www.101sports.com/2015/03/25/despite-kroenkes-plans-st-louis-needs-keep/

The NFL owners have now seen stadium proposals from both St. Louis and Los Angeles, as league executives updated team owners Monday on the progress of each plan at the owners meetings in Arizona.

On the St. Louis front, the city is currently awaiting the next phase of the Peacock/Blitz task force’s project. The effort gained traction in February when Missouri Governor Jay Nixon announced that St. Louis area labor and construction councils agreed to work 24-hour days on the stadium and renovation of the north riverfront. The expedited workdays could save an estimated $40 million.

Maggie Crane, communications director for St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay, recently spoke to 101ESPN about the prospect of a new stadium and the renovation of the north riverfront.

“It is exciting to have the people we have working on this project. Dave Peacock is a city booster first and foremost. He’s not getting millions of dollars to do this,” Crane said.

“Having an NFL team here is important to the community because it engages the community and could revitalize a part of our city that is ripe for change.”

“We’re not trying to compete with Stan Kroenke. We’re trying to do what’s best for our city.”

As for Kroenke’s Los Angeles plans, a recently-published Los Angeles Times article shows the proposed stadium is designed for two NFL teams, with dual home locker rooms and front offices, a feature unique to NFL venues.

The league considers L.A. to be a two-team city, but recently the other two teams in play for a move, San Diego and Oakland, combined efforts to lay stakes there.

Bernie Miklasz told The Fast Lane recently that the plans will excite the owners, but should not deter the Peacock/Blitz team from progressing with their plans of a St. Louis riverfront stadium.

“I think they (the owners) will be impressed by what they see. I think it fulfills the vision the league has for an LA-based stadium,” Miklasz said.

“Kroenke could have the greatest stadium plan in the history of western civilization in Southern California, but if the NFL has any honor whatsoever and is true to its word of what it told Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz, I don’t see how they rip this team out from St. Louis if this city has done exactly what the league has asked it to do.”

Sports Illustrated’s Peter King recently asked NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell whether it made more sense for the Chargers and Raiders to share the L.A. market and have the Rams stay put in St. Louis.

“Our first objective will be to make sure that those markets have had the chance to get something done—that they can get a stadium built to secure the long-term future of their franchise.” Goodell said.

“San Diego has been working 14 years on a new stadium. Oakland is not in a new debate either, for the A’s or the Raiders. Same with St. Louis.”

“These are long debates about what is the right solution for the community and what is best for the team. We’re looking to see if we can create those solutions locally. If we can’t, we obviously have to look at long-term solutions for those teams.”
 

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Goodell pleased with stadium progress in St. Louis
By Jim Thomas

PHOENIX • As the NFL wrapped up its annual owners meetings Wednesday, commissioner Roger Goodell said he was happy with the progress made on the St. Louis stadium plan.

But that progress may have to come at an accelerated pace because the league is considering moving up the relocation schedule, potentially with an eye on having at least one team in Los Angeles by 2016.


As for St. Louis, Goodell said: "I've spoken to the governor (Jay Nixon). Our staff has been there with Dave Peacock. They've done a really good job of formulating a plan.

"They have a great site. They have a site that I think is important for St. Louis to redevelop. I think it's a perfect stadium site, as the governor told me. And I think they're working towards making it a reality.

"And that's a positive. The efforts that are going on there are very positive."

The question remains, will progress on the St. Louis riverfront stadium project on the north edge of downtown come quickly enough before Rams owner Stan Kroenke bolts for Los Angeles?

Along those lines, Goodell said Wednesday that the league has had discussions on the committee level about moving up the timetable for relocation following the 2015 season.

"We've had some discussions within our (Los Angeles opportunity) committee," Goodell said. "Whether that time frame — if there was a relocation — whether that's the appropriate time frame to do so. There's a lot to do when you relocate a franchise."

Currently, the next window for the Rams — and for that matter, the Oakland Raiders and San Diego Chargers — to file for relocation is Jan. 1 through Feb. 15 of 2016. The league is considering moving up that window to the fall of 2015.

Proceeding earlier, Goodell said, would give relocating teams a better opportunity to properly transition to a new marketplace.

"Which is the goal if there is a relocation," Goodell said. "So that's been discussed. We certainly have not come to any conclusion on that."

But an earlier relocation window would make it more difficult for the three markets trying to keep their teams — St. Louis, Oakland, and San Diego — to have their stadium plans finalized.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...f-89f7-c0f1fc75490b.html#.VRMF4GFA-nQ.twitter
 

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Looks like a versatile building that could be used for a variety of things. A shopping mall perhaps?

Where are all of the football fans in the photos? :ROFLMAO:

Filling the stadium watching the Rams beat the Raiders. j/k I didn't notice any jerseys on the folks outside the stadium either. Looks like they are going to class. "Call me when you have no class" Rodney Dangerfield
 

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I understand your frustration on this. As I'm frustrated with it too. But, I don't think you'll see another lease in STL like this current one. There will be no opting out. It'll be a straight 30 year lease.
I keep cycling back and forth between, Hopeful, Pissed off, and "Fine, Whatever, I don't care anymore"
 

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I keep cycling back and forth between, Hopeful, Pissed off, and "Fine, Whatever, I don't care anymore"
I have been doing the same thing until I finally landed in the "fine, whatever I don't care anymore" category. Let the chips fall where they may. Before 1995, I was just fine rooting for my favorite team on Sundays no matter where they called home and I will be just fine in the future. Which team it will be will be the question.
 

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Currently, the next window for the Rams — and for that matter, the Oakland Raiders and San Diego Chargers — to file for relocation is Jan. 1 through Feb. 15 of 2016. The league is considering moving up that window to the fall of 2015.

Proceeding earlier, Goodell said, would give relocating teams a better opportunity to properly transition to a new marketplace.

"Which is the goal if there is a relocation," Goodell said. "So that's been discussed. We certainly have not come to any conclusion on that."

That's an interesting move, if they do that then the attendance numbers obviously drop, what's the benefit other than to stop the current city from pushing too hard?
 

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Goodell: Long-term fit vital for L.A.
By Eric D. Williams and Nick Wagoner
ESPN.com

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ocess?ex_cid=espnapi_public/print?id=12557439

PHOENIX -- NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told reporters at the conclusion of the league owners meetings here on Wednesday that speed is not driving the process in the inevitable return of professional football to Los Angeles, but finding the right fit that will work in the nation's second-largest market long-term.

Goodell said that owners discussed the possibility of moving up the time frame teams can apply for relocation -- currently set for Jan. 1 to Feb. 15 next year -- to sometime in 2015 in order to give teams relocating to Los Angeles a better chance at transitioning for the 2016 NFL season.

"We have some discussions within our committee of whether that time frame -- if there was a relocation -- whether that's the appropriate time frame to do so," Goodell said. "There's a lot to do when you relocate a franchise. And if a decision is made earlier, would that give the teams a better opportunity to properly transition to a new marketplace, which is the goal if there a relocation.

"So that's been discussed. I know we certainly have not come to any conclusion on that. We haven't ruled it out though."

Before the group convenes again at the May owners meetings in San Francisco, Goodell says he expects all three teams considering relocating to Los Angeles -- the St. Louis Rams, San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders -- to meet with the ownership's Los Angeles relocation committee in late April, reporting back to the full membership in May.

"There will be a lot of dialogue," Goodell said. "There's a tremendous amount of focus on the stadium alternatives, looking at those stadium alternatives, marketing studies in all of the markets -- including the current markets. So there's a great deal of work being done, and I would expect that will continue at a very disciplined pace."

Eric Grubman, the league's point man on relocation, addressed the assembled owners on what's happening in Los Angeles, St. Louis, Oakland and San Diego on Monday. As it stands, the league has two Los Angeles proposals on the table.

The Chargers and Raiders proposed in February building a $1.7 billion NFL stadium in Carson. Last week, a signature-gathering effort in Carson financed by the two teams resulted in 14,836 signatures gathered -- about twice as many needed to qualify the initiative for public vote or consideration by the city council.

Now, the signatures go to election officials for verification, where they have 30 business days to certify the signatures. That process likely will be completed sooner than that. Once the signatures are verified, the initiative will be presented to the city council. The council can either adopt the initiative or call an election to present the initiative to voters.

The Chargers and Raiders believe they can have a fully entitled site ready to build in Carson by the end of May.

Meanwhile in San Diego, a mayor-appointed citizens' stadium advisory group recently selected the Mission Valley site where Qualcomm Stadium sits as the location for a new stadium. The group now is working on a finance plan for a new stadium, with a projected price tag between $700 million and $1.5 billion.

The group is committed to have its recommendation to San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer by a May 20 deadline.

Goodell said he spoke to Faulconer a few weeks ago, and had a good conversation on his city's stadium effort.

"He's put a very aggressive time frame forward to try and get a solution," Goodell said. "I think that's a positive step. And I encourage him to continue down that path."

The Oakland city council voted unanimously to add Alameda County to the joint agreement the city signed with the New City Development. The development's goal is to finance two new stadiums at the proposed Coliseum City complex in Oakland. It would house new stadiums for both the Raiders and Major League Baseball's Oakland Athletics.

The proposal is in the early stages, but the agreement between the city and county is a solid step toward keeping the Raiders happy in Oakland.

The St. Louis stadium proposal is probably the furthest along of the three current markets, having been announced in January less than a week after Rams owner Stan Kroenke revealed his plans for the Inglewood project.

In the time since, the St. Louis stadium task force led by local businessmen Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz has steadily gone about checking off the appropriate boxes. That includes adding consultants to help with the project and striking agreements with railroad and utility companies to help clear the land when the time might come.

Goodell said Wednesday he's been pleased with the progress made so far in St. Louis.

"Dave Peacock has done a terrific job of formulating a plan," Goodell said. "They have a great site. They have a site that I think is important for St. Louis redevelopment. It makes a perfect stadium site, as the governor told me. And I think they're working towards making it become a reality. ... The efforts that have been going on there have been very positive."

While Goodell didn't commit to the expedited timeline for teams to file relocation, he did say it's been discussed which means that St. Louis also needs to get its financials in order sooner than later.

As it stands, that appears to be the most important hurdle left to clear. The Missouri Senate recently passed a measure intended to stop Governor Jay Nixon from extending or issuing bonds for a new stadium without the approval of the legislature or public. That bill still must pass through the full chamber for full consideration.

Beyond the public funding, the St. Louis proposal also requires Kroenke or any team owner to contribute up to $250 million on top of $200 million in the form of the NFL's G4 loan.
 

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That's an interesting move, if they do that then the attendance numbers obviously drop, what's the benefit other than to stop the current city from pushing too hard?
To me, the statement could serve several purposes.

1.) It keeps all three cities pushing as hard as possible from now until the May owners meetings. The Chargers have already said they'll be presenting new Carson renderings and will have the land entitled by then.

2.) It could be enough pressure to cause any of these city's efforts to buckle if they're not meeting the league's demands.

3.) If it is inevitable that one or two teams is in fact moving for the 2016 season, it would cause a lame-duck situation, but with the teams likely facing that anyway, it'd boost morale one or two of the fanbases once they find out their team isn't moving.

4.) It keeps the NFL in the media discussion surrounding the draft as the relocation hot stove is fulfills the leagues desire to be in the sports discussion year round.
 

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Looks like a versatile building that could be used for a variety of things. A shopping mall perhaps?

Where are all of the football fans in the photos? :ROFLMAO:
It reminds me of EPCOT. :cautious:
 

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So what if....
The rams move back to LA and then STL gets the raiders. woo-freakin-hoo...then in 15 years Oakland gets their act together and wants them back and I guess we will just have to let them go because at that point our stadium will be 15 years old and they will have plans for a new shiny one-best in the NFL. and precedent will have been set that a new shiny stadium will get you your team back.

is that what the NFL wants me to buy tickets and PSL's for. Nahhh not happening. fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

Counting the Cardinals, if the Rams move that will be three times...
 

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It reminds me of EPCOT. :cautious:
This just in. Kroenke has purchased Walt Disney World and is threatening to move it to Inglewood.

Worried about losing a significant part of their tourist fan base, Universal Studios Hollywood and Knott's Berry Farm have entered into a joint venture to build a super theme park in Carson.
 

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I have been doing the same thing until I finally landed in the "fine, whatever I don't care anymore" category. Let the chips fall where they may. Before 1995, I was just fine rooting for my favorite team on Sundays no matter where they called home and I will be just fine in the future. Which team it will be will be the question.
I haven't gotten to the "fine" stage yet. Strickly hopeful and pissed off. I can't believe as fans we have to endure this stress over potential relocation. Very frustrating.
 

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This just in. Kroenke has purchased Walt Disney World and is threatening to move it to Inglewood.

Worried about losing a significant part of their tourist fan base, Universal Studios Hollywood and Knott's Berry Farm have entered into a joint venture to build a super theme park in Carson.
Makes sense... this whole "Mickey Mouse" escapade is like being on a roller coaster... or, maybe going through the Haunted House.
 
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