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Market assessment article

If they're comparing it's not going to be a very fair fight for any of the three current cities, especially St Louis (that's mostly due to the nature of the Inglewood project, not anything about St Louis)... Inglewood is going to attract a much larger naming rights deal, and more PSL's/higher prices simply due to the fact that it has almost 20,000 more seats, is part of a much larger venue, the stadium is more of a palace, and simply because it's in LA.

Raw numbers to raw numbers, it's not fair. Hopefully they do things separately, and don't look to compare by simple dollars. I would love to see how they present it all (for all of the cities/projects) though, it's gotta be quite interesting. I wonder how they factor in the survey bias, how many people will lie on them. I got a survey for the NFL coming to LA back in October, and answered it honestly, I have another friend who got one and wasn't. Gotta imagine every city will have their fair share of that.
 

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Here we go again? NFL to assess St. Louis market
• By Jim Thomas

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_8d5a4f06-3749-5f69-8c80-27bceea30bb0.html

PHOENIX • It’s well established that assembling the land, getting that land shovel-ready, and putting together a financing plan are key elements in the north riverfront stadium plan that could keep the NFL in St. Louis.

But add another speed bump to the mix. In NFL parlance it’s something called market assessment.

“The market assessment puts a data-driven estimate on the PSL potential,” said Eric Grubman, the NFL executive in charge of Los Angeles, relocation, and stadium issues. “The number of tickets you can sell to season-ticket holders. The pricing of those tickets.

“The number of suites and club seats that are desired by the market. The likely pricing that will work.”

This should sound familiar to Rams season-ticket holders, past and present, who filled out NFL surveys via email a few weeks ago.

“And we’ll also get some sense of the depth of corporate support for things in addition to premium (seating) — sponsorship, naming (rights), and so forth and so on,” Grubman said.

The league plans market assessment visits next month to all three cities in danger of losing their team to Los Angeles: St. Louis, Oakland, and San Diego.

Grubman said he’s already booked a trip to San Diego in the middle of April. He has yet to schedule the St. Louis trip. But coming to St. Louis is nothing new for Grubman, because he has made trips there about once a month since last fall working with Gov. Jay Nixon’s task force of Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz.

“Each of the times we’ve gone to visit them we’ve made good progress,” Grubman told the Post-Dispatch at the NFL owners meetings.

According to Grubman, the league has retained the Legends firm to do the market research in St. Louis, Oakland, and San Diego — as well as Los Angeles.

“We’re well on the way,” Grubman said. “We’ve launched in Los Angeles months ago. It has different components along the way.”

The “launch” in St. Louis took place a few weeks ago with the email surveys to season-ticket holders. The market assessment programs are about to begin in San Diego and Oakland. The full assessment process will take about two to three months.

“We’re sharing that information with league clubs,” Grubman said. “So it’s to the benefit of anybody who has a need to see it.”

Once the email surveys come in, Grubman says additional steps include focus groups. There is also corporate surveying taking place, including calling the CEO’s of major companies and asking questions related to their interest in the NFL in St. Louis.

All of which is critically important to St. Louis, because it’s widely believed that one of the escape hatches Rams owner Stan Kroenke will try to employ to skirt league relocation guidelines is the lack of market — and particularly — corporate support in St. Louis.

Grubman said the market study of St. Louis will be “fully developed in probably three or four weeks.”

So in a city known as a baseball town, the assessment will gauge the level of football interest in St. Louis from a fan and corporate support point of view.

“You develop the architecture of the financial plan not just to finance (a stadium) but to support (a team) for years to come,” Grubman said.

In other words, you can have a fantastic stadium plan and great financing, but if the market support is tepid? Well, it’s as important as any other component in deciding if any of the cities in question will have the NFL in its future.

“You got it,” Grubman said. “It is a key part. And that’s why we chose to do them independently (with the Legends firm), so that owners weren’t presented with a plan that had a filter from someone that either wanted to be in that market, or didn’t want to be there.”

For beleaguered Rams fans who remember the unsuccessful effort to land an expansion team in the early 1990s, followed by the successful effort to lure the Rams from Los Angeles to the Midwest, you can almost hear the collective groan of Not Again.

For the second time in less than 25 years, the region must show the National Football League how much it likes the product.

Wait, there’s more. Grubman said the NFL has discussed the possibility of conducting some sort of PSL (personal seat license)/luxury seating campaign as was conducted during the expansion process.

“We’ve talked about it,” he said. “I don’t think that we would necessarily want to take that step without all the other pieces being in place.”

By that he meant the land assembly, financing, etc.

And then, almost thinking out loud, Grubman added, “If your question is would we launch that (premium seating campaign), and if it failed would we pull back (from a market)? I wouldn’t like to do that.

“I want to think about that some more.”

Grubman said the league discussed such a seating campaign for Los Angeles when having a team there was a league-driven plan as opposed to the present team owner-driven plan.

“Once teams are involved, I’m not sure that a team wants to do that because they are tainting their existing market if they’re out selling in a new market,” he said.

Rams fans and corporations in St. Louis might not be too fired up about committing to season tickets or luxury boxes if the Rams were undertaking a simultaneous campaign in Los Angeles.
I follow Jim on Twitter and I always read and liked his articles and the inside info he provided us but lately idk he's so negative on everything Rams related bc the whole LA situation and the Foles trade I can't read his stuff anymore he's turning in to another Bernie. I totally understand Bc he might stay in STL with his family while the Rams relocate. That's my thoughts on Jim. I can't blame him though Bc this is his livelihood.
 
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i agree wholeheartedly!! What do Kraft & the clowns think? We sit through 10 years of epic ineptitude, finally see improvement in our team, and smile as they leave to be replaced by, really, any team? You dont emotionally invest in a team, and then just flip a toggle switch and start rooting for another...especially one as polarizing as the Raiders.

I wonder what will happen to fan sites like ROD? Many of the good people here at ROD have formed tight friendships.

The last ten years have been tough for RAM fans, yet I feel relationships forged here on ROD are a salve and balm that soothes the pain of losing.

I feel, I am more emotionally invested in people I've met on ROD then I am in the Rams... Did I just commit heresy? I actually interact with you guys. On the other hand, I've never met any Ram players. Oh, I admit I've cheered since the late 1960's for the Ram horns and laundry.

I don't know what I'll do if the Rams move to LA and the Raiders move to Saint Louis. I feel a larger sense of loyalty to you guys.

The ROD moderators have worked their butts off, and they've created an amazing place to share stories, ideas, and opinions. The sheer volume of varied personalities that populate the ROD community is mindboggling. I laugh at your jokes. I'm awed by a tsumami of wit, intelligence, information displayed by the ROD faithful. I like your music, I smile when someone catches a trophy fish. Hell, I even cooked some of the recipes I've read members have shared.

I cheer for your triumphs and I think it's special the way the ROD community rallies around members faced with health problems, hardships, and even death. So I got agree with myronjax when he says-

You dont emotionally invest in a team, and then just flip a toggle switch and start rooting for another...especially one as polarizing as the Raiders

I may be out of line, but I think myronjax would add...You don't flip the toggle switch and turnoff ROD...
especially with all the friendship and goodwill forged.

I want to believe that a bunch of billionaires trading cites for football teams can't drive a wedge through the middle of us and break the back of ROD...Is nothing sacred?


 

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I wonder what will happen to fan sites like ROD? Many of the good people here at ROD have formed tight friendships.

The last ten years have been tough for RAM fans, yet I feel relationships forged here on ROD are a salve and balm that soothes the pain of losing.

I feel, I am more emotionally invested in people I've met on ROD then I am in the Rams... Did I just commit heresy? I actually interact with you guys. On the other hand, I've never met any Ram players. Oh, I admit I've cheered since the late 1960's for the Ram horns and laundry.

I don't know what I'll do if the Rams move to LA and the Raiders move to Saint Louis. I feel a larger sense of loyalty to you guys.

The ROD moderators have worked their butts off, and they've created an amazing place to share stories, ideas, and opinions. The sheer volume of varied personalities that populate the ROD community is mindboggling. I laugh at your jokes. I'm awed by a tsumami of wit, intelligence, information displayed by the ROD faithful. I like your music, I smile when someone catches a trophy fish. Hell, I even cooked some of the recipes I've read members have shared.

I cheer for your triumphs and I think it's special the way the ROD community rallies around members faced with health problems, hardships, and even death. So I got agree with myronjax when he says-

You dont emotionally invest in a team, and then just flip a toggle switch and start rooting for another...especially one as polarizing as the Raiders

I may be out of line, but I think myronjax would add...You don't flip the toggle switch and turnoff ROD...
especially with all the friendship and goodwill forged.

I want to believe that a bunch of billionaires trading cites for football teams can't drive a wedge through the middle of us and break the back of ROD...Is nothing sacred?



I'm not going to think about that until I have to. A well moderated board with good people is rare to find.
 

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Wow new stadium looks awesome!
 

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I want to believe that a bunch of billionaires trading cites for football teams can't drive a wedge through the middle of us and break the back of ROD...Is nothing sacred?


Great post @Ramsey I guess we'll play the hand we're dealt...I love ROD too, but it's like anything else you adapt, improvise and overcome, however, I still hold out hope that all things will work out in the end.
 

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I follow Jim on Twitter and I always read and liked his articles and the inside info he provided us but lately idk he's so negative on everything Rams related bc the whole LA situation and the Foles trade I can't read his stuff anymore he's turning in to another Bernie. I totally understand Bc he might stay in STL with his family while the Rams relocate. That's my thoughts on Jim. I can't blame him though Bc this is his livelihood.
This^ I have defended Jim Thomas in the past and always felt he was not always first, but got the story right, but IMO, he was blindsided by the Bradford deal and the pressure of the Rams possible relocation has pushed Thomas over the edge and presently Thomas is not being objective.
 

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Great post @Ramsey I guess we'll play the hand we're dealt...I love ROD too, but it's like anything else you adapt, improvise and overcome, however, I still hold out hope that all things will work out in the end.
I agree Den. @Ramsey , hopefully the Rams portion of Rams on Demand will supercede but I get what you're saying
 

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Jim Thomas:Kroenke Talking to Other Owners More Than in Past
St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke has garnered the reputation of a silent type who hasn’t typically spent time fostering relationships with other NFL owners. But that’s changed this week at the NFL owners meetings with the topic of relocation to Los Angeles at the forefront of the headlines, according to Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Listen to JT Talk Rams/Kroenke
 

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Wow new stadium looks awesome!

Sure does , and I don't see the one we are planing to build in St.L as competitive nor do I in ANY way doubt Stans desire to move, as far as I'm concerned if we keep the Rams it will be a league decision
 

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Sure does , and I don't see the one we are planing to build in St.L as competitive nor do I in ANY way doubt Stans desire to move, as far as I'm concerned if we keep the Rams it will be a league decision
It is amazing but to be honest the plan isn't for the Stl stadium to be in competition with the LA stadium. The plan for Stl is to build an amazing stadium and get the financing squared away. Truth is that no stadium in the NFL will compete with the LA stadium. No doubt it will be a league decision.
 

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I'm honestly tired of this mess to the point that I really don't care what happens anymore. Even though I think the team will stay in St. Louis in the end I'm going into the season as if this will be their last here. I find myself checking this thread to see if there are any updates and, like most, I get sucked up in the speculations instead of the facts. It's too early to be worried about where they will be as we are about to enter April and this thing will stay muddy as hell until November or so. I can not wait until training camp starts so this shit can be placed on the back burner. The free agency period gave us a little break from this so my hope is the draft will provide us with an even larger break.
 

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Great post @Ramsey I guess we'll play the hand we're dealt...I love ROD too, but it's like anything else you adapt, improvise and overcome, however, I still hold out hope that all things will work out in the end.
All I can say is... if the "R" in "ROD" ever becomes "Raiders", all bets are OFF!
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I'm honestly tired of this mess to the point that I really don't care what happens anymore. Even though I think the team will stay in St. Louis in the end I'm going into the season as if this will be their last here. I find myself checking this thread to see if there are any updates and, like most, I get sucked up in the speculations instead of the facts. It's too early to be worried about where they will be as we are about to enter April and this thing will stay muddy as hell until November or so. I can not wait until training camp starts so this crap can be placed on the back burner. The free agency period gave us a little break from this so my hope is the draft will provide us with an even larger break.
I agree wholeheartedly. I just wish there was a good way(besides copious amounts of alcohol) to forget the threat to move. I just want to enjoy Rams football.
 

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NFL expansion doesn't look like an option
By Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/17320/nfl-expansion-doesnt-look-like-an-option

PHOENIX -- Throughout the process of relocation and the various attempts to either bring football to Los Angeles or keep the St. Louis Rams, San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders in their current markets, many have been left to wonder what would happen to team or city on the outside looking in when it comes to this game of billion-dollar musical chairs.

It stands to reason that somebody is not going to get what they want, though it's still unclear which team or city that will be. All three of the current home markets could step up, or maybe none will. In the many permutations of how it could all play out, somebody is probably going to be left without a chair, or at least not the chair they most would like to sit in.

That's left some questions about whether expansion would be a possibility? The answer, according to New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, is no.

"I think expansion would be very difficult," Kraft said. "Look, I know. I bought my team 21 years ago, and I was so privileged to do it. If any ownership group puts their heart and soul into it, the local people will support it. It’s a product that the public wants, but they have to feel that you’re serious and want to do what you want to do. I don’t see expansion being an option. Any community that is privileged to have a team, love them up."

It's been no coincidence that during this whole process, the St. Louis stadium task force has made it clear they are working to keep the Rams in town but also have made it a point to refer to St. Louis as an "NFL city" on multiple occasions as well. The task force's Twitter hashtag even includes the NFL mention over something specifically related to the Rams.

That's because there are some factors beyond their control. Even if St. Louis can come up with the money to help finance a stadium, there's no guarantee Rams owner Stan Kroenke will be on board to chip in the $250 million being asked of him. So if he were to take the unprecedented step of moving away while a city is offering him public money, the NFL would still be hesitant to turn away from that offer.

Which is why, even as Kraft made it clear that the home markets should be given a fair shake, he also chose his words carefully when it comes to preserving current teams in their markets.

"My point of view, if they come up with a plan that looks pretty good and a strong financial package, we the NFL have an obligation, in my opinion, to have a team in St. Louis," Kraft said.

That team could be anybody, but it almost certainly won't be an expansion franchise. At this point, the NFL has reached a saturation point and though an expansion franchise would mean expansion fees, those fees would have to be astronomical to help offset the decreased size of the piece of the pie that 32 teams currently share.

So no matter who is sitting where when the music stops, don't expect any new players in the game.
 

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My god, I'm so sick of all of this crap. I just want it to be over with
 

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All I can say is... if the "R" in "ROD" ever becomes "Raiders", all bets are OFF!
:(

I would imagine ROD would stay the same, those who decide to move on would be missed, but ROD would continue on. But no need to worry about that, still a long ways to go here. The next big steps to get everyone riled up will be land acquisition and financing, owners meeting in May, etc etc. It won't end till it ends.
 
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