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What do I get from this? Despite being very loyal to an incompetent franchise St Louis fans should start lubing now. We're getting ready to take it in the shorts. I don't see the owners caring about bylaws, especially if our legislators drag their feet approving this funding. I'd be perfectly happy with the proposed solution of Raiders to STL, as any team is far and away better than no team for fans like myself who want to be fans of a local team. But I don't see Mark Davis moving from California willingly. I almost think he'd go year to year in that crumbling shit hole he plays in now before that. Unfortunately, my original guess of 60% chance of a Rams move looks a little conservative now.
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The owners are sipping cocktails and jerking each other off in the luxury suits in AZ right now while we're here trying to figure all this out and the good ppl in STL OAK and SD probably had a depressed weekend and will continue throughtout the week and probably will till the year is over. What a life.
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Bro, it seems strange to me too that a multi-billionaire who is not contractually bound to to a specific location could be denied to go into business in another location which is more profitable and willing to take his business in.
But it was his choice to invest in the league, so in that respect NFL>USA.
LA has been rode hard and put away wet by the NFL for 20 years. Sure they tried to stop GF, but this leverage thing is almost criminal.
I applaud the leagues sense of fairness to the existing markets, and having lost a team to a selfish owner I am empathetic. Still the way Goodhell speaks, since 20 years has passed, the feelings of the 10's of 1,000's of Rams fans in LA (see recent poll) doesn't matter anymore.
Someone is going to lose and the folks in LA are the most used to it.
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I wonder why Kroenke is waiting until May to make his pitch. He's still doing some whining and dining, yet not selling the project just yet.
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Most St. Louis fans I talk to are feeling pretty upbeat about the work of the task force thus far.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000480878/article/kraft-potential-la-teams-should-move-together
Kraft said when asked specifically about the possibility of St. Louis losing a franchise. "If they do, I think we have a responsibility to make sure there's a team in that market."
Kraft said when asked specifically about the possibility of St. Louis losing a franchise. "If they do, I think we have a responsibility to make sure there's a team in that market."
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Well they actually can't make him stay either, but could make it painful for him if goes against the bylaws.
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Wait so did he say they wouldn't approve it and then if they leave they owe it to them to put a team there? One sounds like they want to try to fight him, one they want to push the Raiders or Chargers there if they leave.
I get the feeling Kroenke is gonna try to get Spanos to split with him.
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NFL brings owners up to speed
By Nick Wagoner and Eric D. Williams
ESPN.com
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...wners?ex_cid=espnapi_public/print?id=12546579
PHOENIX -- As momentum builds toward an NFL return to Los Angeles, Eric Grubman, the league's point man on relocation, addressed the assembled owners on what's happening in Los Angeles, St. Louis, Oakland and San Diego on Monday morning.
"The idea for this particular session was to make sure they were comfortable and knew what has gone on so far, that they knew the involvement of the Los Angeles committee," Grubman said. "And they knew all the different work streams that the league and the clubs are undertaking to look at Los Angeles as well as to look at the three markets -- I call them home markets -- in San Diego, Oakland and St. Louis."
Grubman said Monday's presentation is the only one on the agenda for this week's owners meetings but that the Los Angeles subject likely will be revisited at May's owners meetings in San Francisco.
Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis called Grubman's presentation more detailed than any the owners had heard before. Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay said he didn't expect any "major announcements" on the topic at this week's meetings.
But since the owners last met in December, there have been plenty of developments not only on the two sites in Los Angeles but in each market. So Grubman's goal was to get everybody up to speed so that when a decision has to be made, it can be done in relatively short order.
"We gave people the opportunity to ask questions, and they can still ask questions," Grubman said. "And they also now understand how thoroughly briefed our Los Angeles committee is so they can ask their fellow owners questions because those guys are up to speed and briefed. We wanted to give them comfort that the work was being done and there's a process that's going to lead to presentation of the analysis and ultimately voting. That's a really important step."
It's important because the general consensus around these owners meetings is that the NFL will be back in Los Angeles one way or another as soon as 2016.
New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, one of the owners who serves on the Los Angeles relocation committee, made it clear where he stands on the matter.
"I really believe within the next year, we'll have two teams in this [L.A.] market," Kraft said. "I think there are good plans. We have a little committee that's working with the different owners and we have some real good options. Now we'll see what happens in the end game."
As it stands, the league has two Los Angeles proposals on the table.
The Chargers and Raiders proposed in February building a $1.7 billion NFL stadium in Carson. Last week, a signature-gathering effort in Carson financed by the two teams resulted in 14,836 signatures gathered -- about twice as many needed to qualify the initiative for public vote or consideration by the city council.
Now, the signatures go to election officials for verification, where they have 30 business days to certify the signatures. That process likely will be completed sooner than that. Once the signatures are verified, the initiative will be presented to the city council. The council can either adopt the initiative or call an election to present the initiative to voters.
The Chargers and Raiders believe they can have a fully entitled site ready to build in Carson by the end of May.
The Inglewood stadium project, spearheaded by Rams owner Stan Kroenke, has been in motion since January. The appropriate parties in Inglewood have already approved that plan, although the NFL hasn't given similar approval and no vote on relocation for any team is expected this week.
Unlike the Carson project, Kroenke has never explicitly declared intent to move the Rams and at least one owner has not even discussed the project with him.
"I haven't talked to Stan," Irsay said. "He has not approached me. I don't know if he's talked in depth with the commissioner or other owners. It's still like I said a wait-and-see thing. I know people are looking forward to hearing some concrete things about L.A. since it's been 20 years since we've been there. But it still isn't anything that I believe, at this meeting, is going to be a significant announcement."
Meanwhile in San Diego, a mayor-appointed citizens stadium advisory group recently selected the Mission Valley site where Qualcomm Stadium sits as the location for a new stadium. The group now is working on a finance plan for a new stadium, with a projected price tag between $750 million and $1.5 billion.
The group is committed to have its recommendation to San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer by a May 20 deadline.
The Oakland city council voted unanimously to add Alameda County to the joint agreement the city signed with the New City Development. The development's goal is to finance two new stadiums at the proposed Coliseum City complex in Oakland. It would house new stadiums for both the Raiders and Major League Baseball's Oakland Athletics.
The proposal is in the early stages, but the agreement between the city and county is a solid step toward keeping the Raiders happy in Oakland.
The St. Louis stadium proposal also was part of Monday's discussion. While the task force headed by St. Louis businessmen Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz was not in attendance, the group used its Twitter account to express confidence its proposal would be seen and heard in Arizona.
Peacock, Blitz and the consultants they've hired in recent weeks have been meticulously working to make progress but still face the most important hurdle of financing the project. Last week, the Missouri Senate passed a measure intended to stop Missouri Governor Jay Nixon from extending or issuing bonds for a new stadium without the approval of the legislature or the public. That bill now heads to the full chamber for further consideration.
The St. Louis proposal also asks for Kroenke or a team owner to chip in up to an additional $250 million, plus another $200 million from the NFL in the form of the league's G4 loan.
Asked Monday what would happen to Los Angeles if Oakland, San Diego and St. Louis got deals done in their home markets, Kraft made it clear he doesn't believe that's going to happen and that at least one team would be in Los Angeles in 2016.
But Kraft also wanted it known that due diligence will be given to the markets that do put a real plan together.
"I think we have to be very careful and responsible to different markets who really step up and do what they want to do," Kraft said. "And if they do, I think we have a responsibility to make sure there's a team in that market."
By Nick Wagoner and Eric D. Williams
ESPN.com
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...wners?ex_cid=espnapi_public/print?id=12546579
PHOENIX -- As momentum builds toward an NFL return to Los Angeles, Eric Grubman, the league's point man on relocation, addressed the assembled owners on what's happening in Los Angeles, St. Louis, Oakland and San Diego on Monday morning.
"The idea for this particular session was to make sure they were comfortable and knew what has gone on so far, that they knew the involvement of the Los Angeles committee," Grubman said. "And they knew all the different work streams that the league and the clubs are undertaking to look at Los Angeles as well as to look at the three markets -- I call them home markets -- in San Diego, Oakland and St. Louis."
Grubman said Monday's presentation is the only one on the agenda for this week's owners meetings but that the Los Angeles subject likely will be revisited at May's owners meetings in San Francisco.
Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis called Grubman's presentation more detailed than any the owners had heard before. Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay said he didn't expect any "major announcements" on the topic at this week's meetings.
But since the owners last met in December, there have been plenty of developments not only on the two sites in Los Angeles but in each market. So Grubman's goal was to get everybody up to speed so that when a decision has to be made, it can be done in relatively short order.
"We gave people the opportunity to ask questions, and they can still ask questions," Grubman said. "And they also now understand how thoroughly briefed our Los Angeles committee is so they can ask their fellow owners questions because those guys are up to speed and briefed. We wanted to give them comfort that the work was being done and there's a process that's going to lead to presentation of the analysis and ultimately voting. That's a really important step."
It's important because the general consensus around these owners meetings is that the NFL will be back in Los Angeles one way or another as soon as 2016.
New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, one of the owners who serves on the Los Angeles relocation committee, made it clear where he stands on the matter.
"I really believe within the next year, we'll have two teams in this [L.A.] market," Kraft said. "I think there are good plans. We have a little committee that's working with the different owners and we have some real good options. Now we'll see what happens in the end game."
As it stands, the league has two Los Angeles proposals on the table.
The Chargers and Raiders proposed in February building a $1.7 billion NFL stadium in Carson. Last week, a signature-gathering effort in Carson financed by the two teams resulted in 14,836 signatures gathered -- about twice as many needed to qualify the initiative for public vote or consideration by the city council.
Now, the signatures go to election officials for verification, where they have 30 business days to certify the signatures. That process likely will be completed sooner than that. Once the signatures are verified, the initiative will be presented to the city council. The council can either adopt the initiative or call an election to present the initiative to voters.
The Chargers and Raiders believe they can have a fully entitled site ready to build in Carson by the end of May.
The Inglewood stadium project, spearheaded by Rams owner Stan Kroenke, has been in motion since January. The appropriate parties in Inglewood have already approved that plan, although the NFL hasn't given similar approval and no vote on relocation for any team is expected this week.
Unlike the Carson project, Kroenke has never explicitly declared intent to move the Rams and at least one owner has not even discussed the project with him.
"I haven't talked to Stan," Irsay said. "He has not approached me. I don't know if he's talked in depth with the commissioner or other owners. It's still like I said a wait-and-see thing. I know people are looking forward to hearing some concrete things about L.A. since it's been 20 years since we've been there. But it still isn't anything that I believe, at this meeting, is going to be a significant announcement."
Meanwhile in San Diego, a mayor-appointed citizens stadium advisory group recently selected the Mission Valley site where Qualcomm Stadium sits as the location for a new stadium. The group now is working on a finance plan for a new stadium, with a projected price tag between $750 million and $1.5 billion.
The group is committed to have its recommendation to San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer by a May 20 deadline.
The Oakland city council voted unanimously to add Alameda County to the joint agreement the city signed with the New City Development. The development's goal is to finance two new stadiums at the proposed Coliseum City complex in Oakland. It would house new stadiums for both the Raiders and Major League Baseball's Oakland Athletics.
The proposal is in the early stages, but the agreement between the city and county is a solid step toward keeping the Raiders happy in Oakland.
The St. Louis stadium proposal also was part of Monday's discussion. While the task force headed by St. Louis businessmen Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz was not in attendance, the group used its Twitter account to express confidence its proposal would be seen and heard in Arizona.
Peacock, Blitz and the consultants they've hired in recent weeks have been meticulously working to make progress but still face the most important hurdle of financing the project. Last week, the Missouri Senate passed a measure intended to stop Missouri Governor Jay Nixon from extending or issuing bonds for a new stadium without the approval of the legislature or the public. That bill now heads to the full chamber for further consideration.
The St. Louis proposal also asks for Kroenke or a team owner to chip in up to an additional $250 million, plus another $200 million from the NFL in the form of the league's G4 loan.
Asked Monday what would happen to Los Angeles if Oakland, San Diego and St. Louis got deals done in their home markets, Kraft made it clear he doesn't believe that's going to happen and that at least one team would be in Los Angeles in 2016.
But Kraft also wanted it known that due diligence will be given to the markets that do put a real plan together.
"I think we have to be very careful and responsible to different markets who really step up and do what they want to do," Kraft said. "And if they do, I think we have a responsibility to make sure there's a team in that market."
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Semantics.
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Stan Kroenke's moves make Los Angeles a real possibility
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-ra...kes-moves-make-los-angeles-a-real-possibility
PHOENIX -- If deadlines spur action, perhaps "Deadline" should St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke's nickname.
Of the many topics being discussed at this week's owners meetings, the NFL's potential return to Los Angeles ranks high on the list, perhaps even at the top. It was bound to be a subject that came up again sooner or later but in the past two decades it's never been as real as it is now.
That's why league executive Eric Grubman, the man in charge of the dual -- if not competing -- tasks of relocation and market retention, offered a thorough presentation to the owners on Monday morning.
In the presentation, Grubman discussed what's happening with the two potential Los Angeles sites as well as the home markets of the three teams pondering a move in St. Louis, Oakland and San Diego. The goal of the presentation was to make sure everyone is up to speed because chances are, something real will take place before the 2016 season, at the latest.
"I don't think we want to hurry it just to hurry it but I do think once clubs have declared their interest in developing a stadium in Los Angeles and haven't foreclosed their home markets, it's better to get to that answer sooner than later so that people at least know what to work on," Grubman said. "I would like to think that we have got a good shot at making the decision in time for people to know in the 2016 season where they are playing."
So why now? The answer is simple: Kroenke. Unlike failed attempts at bringing the league back to the City of Angels, Kroenke provides the holy trinity needed to make it happen: the land, the money and the team.
It was Kroenke's purchase of a 60-acre tract of land in Inglewood, California in January of 2014 that started the ball rolling. The announcement in January of this year that he's partnered with Stockbridge Capital group to build the City of Champions project on that site only made it all the more real.
Soon after, St. Louis announced a plan of its own in an effort to keep the Rams. At February's scouting combine, the San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders announced a plan to team up on a stadium project in Carson, California. Oakland and San Diego have also jumped into the fray in efforts to keep their respective teams.
All of that movement spun from Kroenke, who, to paraphrase Seattle running back Marshawn Lynch, is all about that action.
In the process, Kroenke has managed to position himself at the front of one of the most ambitious and innovative stadium projects in North American sports history.
Kroenke's Inglewood project isn't just about trying to bring the NFL back to Los Angeles but offers much more, which is yet another reason that these discussions have moved to the forefront.
"I think what's happened is, I don't think we should have a team or teams in L.A. if we don't have a great venue," New England owner Robert Kraft said. "There's so many choices in L.A. and coming back into the market, I really believe it's going to be really first class.
"I think L.A. should be a market where we play Super Bowls, where we have an NFL experience, we have a network out here. There's a lot of things that can be done around it and allow the NFL to really be a showplace and integrating everything and doing it in a proper real estate development."
And though Kroenke's continued silence on this and pretty much every other topic can be frustrating, he's also left himself with a certain amount of plausible deniability.
While never explicitly stating that he wants to move the Rams, Kroenke has spurred movement in his current city and offered the NFL hope of landing new stadiums for all of the teams in need of one.
Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay said Monday that Kroenke has never approached him to discuss Los Angeles and acknowledged that behind closed doors Kroenke isn't making his intentions clear as it pertains to a move.
In doing so, Kroenke is maintaining his position as the lead domino ready to tip over the rest however he best sees fit.
"Stan Kroenke has done a very good job in this business and in other businesses of creating options for himself while not foreclosing something else that may be attractive to him," Grubman said. "It's not different here. He's creating options in the Los Angeles market and he has not foreclosed the St. Louis market and so to the extent that he hasn't turned all his cards over that may be because Stan hasn't made all the decisions. And he doesn't have to yet. That's a great place to be."
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-ra...kes-moves-make-los-angeles-a-real-possibility
PHOENIX -- If deadlines spur action, perhaps "Deadline" should St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke's nickname.
Of the many topics being discussed at this week's owners meetings, the NFL's potential return to Los Angeles ranks high on the list, perhaps even at the top. It was bound to be a subject that came up again sooner or later but in the past two decades it's never been as real as it is now.
That's why league executive Eric Grubman, the man in charge of the dual -- if not competing -- tasks of relocation and market retention, offered a thorough presentation to the owners on Monday morning.
In the presentation, Grubman discussed what's happening with the two potential Los Angeles sites as well as the home markets of the three teams pondering a move in St. Louis, Oakland and San Diego. The goal of the presentation was to make sure everyone is up to speed because chances are, something real will take place before the 2016 season, at the latest.
"I don't think we want to hurry it just to hurry it but I do think once clubs have declared their interest in developing a stadium in Los Angeles and haven't foreclosed their home markets, it's better to get to that answer sooner than later so that people at least know what to work on," Grubman said. "I would like to think that we have got a good shot at making the decision in time for people to know in the 2016 season where they are playing."
So why now? The answer is simple: Kroenke. Unlike failed attempts at bringing the league back to the City of Angels, Kroenke provides the holy trinity needed to make it happen: the land, the money and the team.
It was Kroenke's purchase of a 60-acre tract of land in Inglewood, California in January of 2014 that started the ball rolling. The announcement in January of this year that he's partnered with Stockbridge Capital group to build the City of Champions project on that site only made it all the more real.
Soon after, St. Louis announced a plan of its own in an effort to keep the Rams. At February's scouting combine, the San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders announced a plan to team up on a stadium project in Carson, California. Oakland and San Diego have also jumped into the fray in efforts to keep their respective teams.
All of that movement spun from Kroenke, who, to paraphrase Seattle running back Marshawn Lynch, is all about that action.
In the process, Kroenke has managed to position himself at the front of one of the most ambitious and innovative stadium projects in North American sports history.
Kroenke's Inglewood project isn't just about trying to bring the NFL back to Los Angeles but offers much more, which is yet another reason that these discussions have moved to the forefront.
"I think what's happened is, I don't think we should have a team or teams in L.A. if we don't have a great venue," New England owner Robert Kraft said. "There's so many choices in L.A. and coming back into the market, I really believe it's going to be really first class.
"I think L.A. should be a market where we play Super Bowls, where we have an NFL experience, we have a network out here. There's a lot of things that can be done around it and allow the NFL to really be a showplace and integrating everything and doing it in a proper real estate development."
And though Kroenke's continued silence on this and pretty much every other topic can be frustrating, he's also left himself with a certain amount of plausible deniability.
While never explicitly stating that he wants to move the Rams, Kroenke has spurred movement in his current city and offered the NFL hope of landing new stadiums for all of the teams in need of one.
Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay said Monday that Kroenke has never approached him to discuss Los Angeles and acknowledged that behind closed doors Kroenke isn't making his intentions clear as it pertains to a move.
In doing so, Kroenke is maintaining his position as the lead domino ready to tip over the rest however he best sees fit.
"Stan Kroenke has done a very good job in this business and in other businesses of creating options for himself while not foreclosing something else that may be attractive to him," Grubman said. "It's not different here. He's creating options in the Los Angeles market and he has not foreclosed the St. Louis market and so to the extent that he hasn't turned all his cards over that may be because Stan hasn't made all the decisions. And he doesn't have to yet. That's a great place to be."
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Yep Robert Kraft who passed his franchise around and played the State of Connecticut and then opted to fund his own stadium is now passing judgment....Not a fan of Kraft who talks out both sides of his mouth, but he does win at all costs.
This whole thing is a mess and I for one will be glad when it's over and maybe just maybe the Rams can focus on winning some football games. St. Louis and Los Angeles does not deserve this continuous dosey doe, allemande left and allemande right. The NFL really needs to remember what this is all about and this charade must cease for the good of the game and the fans.
This whole thing is a mess and I for one will be glad when it's over and maybe just maybe the Rams can focus on winning some football games. St. Louis and Los Angeles does not deserve this continuous dosey doe, allemande left and allemande right. The NFL really needs to remember what this is all about and this charade must cease for the good of the game and the fans.
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NFL doesn't care, they want to make sure that there is always a reasonable about of hope in St Louis, Oakland, and San Diego, as least through December, even if they don't think the team(s) will stay there. They want to keep LA excited for the possibility so more people who aren't fans start watching games in expectation teams are coming. Whatever they can to keep the money coming.
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Wonder what I have to say to get banned from posting in this thread.
Morbid curiosity just keeps bringing me back here every "development" just to see the 2 sides battle it out.
Morbid curiosity just keeps bringing me back here every "development" just to see the 2 sides battle it out.
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I get it and understand it, but I don't like, however, I will root for this team come hell or highwater and right now I'm drowning.
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The roof of the stadium is going be the worlds biggest electric billboard. 35,000 million people go over the stadium each year. The NFL will advertise the hell out of it. Anyone mention money and NFL?
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I don't think any of us do. Frankly both options look cool, while the riverfront one doesn't have the flashiness to it, I like the clean simple look. Either way we probably don't have our answer until next year.
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