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Yep. I missed that one. I had previously understood that they were just backing them against possible losses incurred during the move - not that they were loaning them the money for the project. It still seems a bit grey in that they are not saying they are going to finance construction and that Davis still hasn't secured a financing company but it is not like Goldman Sachs doesn't have the financial muscle to do it. Still sitting on the dock on the bay though until something actually moves. They are supposed to start gathering signatures tomorrow from what I understand. So that's another step.

I believe that's what they're doing, helping them with any financial losses and assisting with upgrades to temporary venues (Rose Bowl?) while they wait, I don't believe they're helping them with the actual stadium costs, other than advising them, similar to what they did with the 49ers and Levi's stadium. They said they wont start building the stadium unless a team signs a 20 year lease though, which was interesting.

Carson would own the stadium as well.
 

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Could be months unless it dies in a Senate vote. From there it goes to the House. Then the Governor can veto, etc.
Yeah - do they even have enough votes to over ride a veto? They'd have to have pretty solid numbers to step up to a veto AND not fear voter backlash. But has anyone mentioned when they might vote on it or if it will even make it out of committee?
 

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I believe that's what they're doing, helping them with any financial losses and assisting with upgrades to temporary venues (Rose Bowl?) while they wait, I don't believe they're helping them with the actual stadium costs, other than advising them, similar to what they did with the 49ers and Levi's stadium. They said they wont start building the stadium unless a team signs a 20 year lease though, which was interesting.

Carson would own the stadium as well.

How so? Wouldn't that mean public funding? I had heard that Spanos was already buying the land - so it wouldn't be the city donating it. Not saying you're wrong but I haven't seen anything that says Carson would have any ownership.
 

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Yeah - do they even have enough votes to over ride a veto? They'd have to have pretty solid numbers to step up to a veto AND not fear voter backlash. But has anyone mentioned when they might vote on it or if it will even make it out of committee?
It was approved unanimously by the committee today. There's still a few steps before it goes through to a vote.
 

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It was approved unanimously by the committee today. There's still a few steps before it goes through to a vote.
Thanks. I wonder how much is just politicking and how much is posturing for a fight.
 

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Thanks. I wonder how much is just politicking and how much is posturing for a fight.
The Republican legislature won't make it easy, but at the end of the day if it gets to a vote, I can't imagine, even if it passes, that it'd do so with enough votes to override a Nixon veto.
 

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The Republican legislature won't make it easy, but at the end of the day if it gets to a vote, I can't imagine, even if it passes, that it'd do so with enough votes to override a Nixon veto.
That's what I'd expect. Vetoes are intentionally difficult to override.
 

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How so? Wouldn't that mean public funding? I had heard that Spanos was already buying the land - so it wouldn't be the city donating it. Not saying you're wrong but I haven't seen anything that says Carson would have any ownership.

Says it here.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-spw-carson-initiaitive-20150305-story.html

The economics are different too. A Carson stadium would be publicly owned, but its developers pledge no tax money would be spent on its construction, operations or the street work around the project.

Later:

The initiative, which took project backers about two months to assemble, would create a public authority in Carson to own the stadium and lease it back to the teams

Not sure why, or what exactly it means.
 

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Alameda County Supervisor Wants Raiders To Renovate Coliseum Rather Than Build New Stadium
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Oakland Raiders fans at the Coliseum. (Stephen Dunn/Getty Images)

OAKLAND (KCBS) – Alameda County Supervisor Nate Miley is calling for the Oakland Raiders to make the Coliseum a football-only stadium, and renovate it rather than building a brand new facility.

Miley said there are growing concerns that taxpayers would have to foot a huge bill, possibly $300 million, if a new stadium is built, while renovating the Coliseum would cost significantly less. It would also allow the Oakland A’s to build a new baseball-only stadium next door at the Coliseum complex.

The problem? KCBS, KPIX-5 and Chronicle Insider Phil Matier said Miley has already proposed the plan to the National Football League and it was quickly rejected and the idea doesn’t have support from the Raiders either.

“They’ve been going at these negotiations for 18 months and gotten nowhere,” Matier told KCBS Anchors Stan Bunger and Susan Leigh Taylor. “The bottom line is Mark Davis and the Raiders don’t have the money to do this deal. The NFL and Mark Davis say it’s a non-starter. But Miley says, you might not like it, but it’s possibly an alternative.”

The Raiders have presented their own alternative, threatening to move to Southern California if a new stadium deal isn’t in place in Oakland.

Oakland just signed a one-year Coliseum lease extension for $400,000.
 

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Advisory group picks Mission Valley for proposed San Diego NFL stadium
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Fundraising campaign underway in bid to keep Chargers in San Diego

Noting the Mission Valley site has been home to the Chargers for nearly 50 years, Faulconer said Wednesday: "I know we can make it work for decades to come. Now that they've recommended a site, I look forward to the group continuing to move expeditiously on developing a fair and responsible financing plan for a new stadium."

Faulconer wants a financing plan from the advisory group by the end of May, and then hopes to put the proposal on the ballot in 2016.

The Chargers declined comment on the recommendation, but are not particularly pleased by it, according to an individual familiar with the thinking of club officials but not authorized to speak publicly on the topic.

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Last month, the Chargers and the Oakland Raiders announced they have teamed to construct a stadium in Carson if they cannot get deals for new venues in their current cities by the end of the year. The Chargers have said that if the Raiders get a stadium and they don't, they are prepared to move forward on a Carson stadium on their own.

The source said the Chargers were expecting the task force to choose the Mission Valley site because San Diego hoteliers don't want the team to have a downtown stadium. The hoteliers want an upgraded convention center that is a contiguous complex; the Chargers have proposed a stadium that sits apart from the convention center but counts as convention space.

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Qualcomm Stadium, the team's current home, is in Mission Valley. In 2005, the Chargers proposed building a stadium on that 166-acre site, along with retail and residential development surrounding it. Team officials estimated that project would have cost $450 million for the stadium — $25 million more than the one the Arizona Cardinals were building at the time — plus an additional $200 million for infrastructure, such as raising the site, building more freeway offramps and a bridge over an adjacent river for improved access. At the time, the Chargers said they would privately finance the stadium but were asking for the city to give them 60 acres.

Ten years later, the Chargers now say a stadium and infrastructure would be roughly twice as expensive, and, relative to 2005, real estate isn't as valuable. From the club's perspective, the housing and retail density that would be required on the site to generate enough revenue to finance a stadium would be overwhelming.


AEG reiterates that it's moving on from Farmers Field in downtown L.A.

What's more, getting the necessary entitlements to build a residential development — as opposed to just a stadium — could take five years or longer, time the Chargers might have had in 2005 but don't feel they have now.

Former Chargers and NFL executive Jim Steeg — who is on the volunteer, nine-member task force — said the selection of the site is an encouraging first step in the complicated process of finding a stadium solution in San Diego. He said the Chargers are a big part of the equation, but a venue could serve many other events as well, including the Poinsettia Bowl, concerts, international soccer and high school championship games, as well as Super Bowls and possibly college football championship games.

"It feels like we're finally moving forward," said Steeg, who, after 26 years as an NFL executive, worked for the Chargers for six years. "Until now, it always felt like we were going uphill."

Steeg said there is "no silver bullet" in terms of helping pay for a stadium, and financing a venue would require creatively cobbling together several revenue streams.

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Bill would force Nixon to get approval for stadium bonds : News
JEFFERSON CITY • A bill that advanced Wednesday would require Gov. Jay Nixon to obtain approval from either the Missouri Legislature or voters before extending any current bonds or issuing new bonds.

The issue arose after Nixon's administration said the governor has the legal authority to provide part of the financing for a new football stadium in downtown St. Louis by extending bonds that were issued to build the Edward Jones Dome.

"If that authority exists in current law, I think we should change that," said Sen. Ryan Silvey, R-Kansas City. He sponsors the bill that would force the governor to seek legislative or voters' approval.

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Even if the state's annual debt-service payments stayed the same under Nixon's plan, taxpayers would be paying much more over the long run, Silvey said.

For example, Silvey said, if the state had 10 years left to pay on a 30-year bond issue and the governor extended the payments for another 20 years at $10 million a year, "that's an additional $200 million of debt...that we wouldn't be otherwise paying.

"This bill is not about stopping the stadium project," Silvey said. "This bill is about having a debate and a discussion and checks and balances."

A two-man team appointed by Nixon is working on a plan to keep the Rams in St. Louis. The duo recommended that as much as $350 million of the $1 billion needed for a new, open-air stadium come from the bond extension.

On a 5-0 vote, Silvey's bill was recommended by the Senate Government Accountability and Fiscal Oversight Committee. It now moves to the Senate floor.

(The bill is SB460.)
 

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If I recall correctly AEG pulled the plug on Farmers Field because deals they had in place for land, naming rights and so on all had expiration dates that were coming up in a month or two. It's more coincidence than anything. I believe they had to make a move by April of this year. It's a non issue anyway because that deal was NEVER going to happen and the webite hasn't been touched or updatred in forever. That thing was dead a long time ago LOL.

@RamFan503 AEG cannot own a piece of an NFL team. The charter won't allow it and when that came up a few years ago when the last round of "Rams to LA' shit was stirred up by two stadium proposals the NFL and several owners made it clear that the bylaw preventing corporations from having any ownership isn't going anywhere and that there was no way they would ever allow part ownership of a team to be "bartered" in any way.

AEG and Farmers was smoke and mirrors from the get go.
 

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Raiders Stadium Solution In Oakland May Buck National Trend By Going Small


In Dallas, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones built a $1.3 billion stadium designed to be the greatest football venue in the country. In Minneapolis, construction is underway on the "Ice Palace," a domed behemoth with an exterior style that evokes the region's brutal winter landscape.

In Santa Clara, the 49ers opened Levi's Stadium this year with insistence that it was the most technologically advanced stadium in the world. And just 33 miles to the north, the Oakland Raiders are making plans for a new stadium of their own.

But so far, the plans aren't following the NFL's "new normal." Where so many teams are chasing bigger, better, more lavish stadiums -- ones with significant funding from taxpayers, in many cases -- the Raiders are taking a more modest approach.

They want a smaller stadium.

That's assuming the franchise doesn't up and leave for Los Angeles, where developers have plans in place to built a $1.7 billion mega-stadium. The venue could accommodate both the San Diego Chargers as well as the Raiders, giving the L.A. area two NFL teams along with one impressive stadium.

Developers in Carson, California, where land has been acquired to build the stadium, are making an aggressive effort to woo the Raiders and Chargers. In the proposed deal, both franchises would co-own the to-be-named Los Angeles Stadium.

Contrast that with the Raiders' alternative -- and what appears to be its preference -- of building the NFL's smallest stadium, and staying in Oakland. The $800 million price tag is right around what they would pay to own half of a proposed Los Angeles Stadium.

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If we're judging off of recent NFL precedent, the L.A. construction would seem to be the favorite. It's large, beautiful, and in a great location that would guarantee high-profile events, including the Super Bowl.

But according to Floyd Kephart, a development executive working to facilitate an agreement on a new Oakland stadium, the lavish trappings offered in Los Angeles aren't at the top of the franchise's list of priorities. He paints owner Mark Davis as someone who is fiercely loyal to the fan base in Oakland and has no interest in moving the team.

That said, the team remains without a deal for a stadium, and the clock is ticking. Kephart said the process is brewing frustration.

"It's all political and bureaucratic," Kephart says. "It has nothing to do with anything that is a negotiating point. That’s what I would tell you from a business perspective."

It's not unusual for an NFL franchise to be at odds with the local government over a new stadium construction. And if that were the case, Los Angeles is perfect collateral. Like the Vikings before them, the Raiders could float a move to L.A. as a likely alternative if its demands aren't met.

But there's a big difference in how those two teams have sought out a new stadium. In Minnesota, Vikings owner Zygi Wilf wanted a huge sum of financial backing from taxpayers. He wanted a grand construction that would serve as a cash cow and attract the Super Bowl.

vikingsstadiumicecastle1.jpg

The Raiders have no such fantasies. Any proposal for a new stadium would be modest. The team intends to draw up schemes for a 55,000-seat stadium, which is smaller than O.Co Coliseum -- in fact, it would be the smallest in the NFL. And Kephart says it isn't asking the city for a dime.

"The deal has always been, no new debt and no public taxes to pay for anything related to either of the sports teams," Kephart says. The Raiders are prepared to provide as much as $500 million for a new stadium. Private financing is expected to cover the rest of the cost.

In other words, the city of Oakland and Alameda County could become the new home for a great revenue-generating venue -- a source of profit for both governments. All that stands in the way is a formal convening of the city and the county, which jointly owns the land where the new property would be built.

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So far, neither sides have come to the table. Kephart said that there are new politicians who have recently taken office, including a new mayor in Oakland and a new county commissioner in Alameda. He suggests that both parties are acclimating to one another right now, and that's caused the stadium planning to get placed on the back burner.

Progress toward a formal negotiation process appears to be happening, but it's moving at a turtle's pace. In the meantime, the Raiders have yet to produce formal plans for an Oakland stadium.

With every passing day, possible suitors for the Raiders grow more aggressive about stealing the franchise out of indecisive Oakland. Last week, backers for Los Angeles Stadium filed a ballot initiative to move the Raiders' relocation one step closer to reality. Los Angeles isn't exactly foreign territory: The Raiders called L.A. home from 1982 to 1994, before and after which they played in Oakland.

Some experts suggest that a relocation to the L.A. market also positions the Raiders for a financial bonanza. The larger stadium and invigorated local fan base would drive ticket sales, and modern revenue generating features in the stadium would far exceed what the outdated Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum currently has to offer.

The mere valuation of the Raiders franchise would be poised for a dramatic upward revision. As noted in a a column for ThePostGame last month, Leigh Steinberg estimates that the Raiders -- currently the NFL's lowest-valued at an appraised $970 million -- would quickly "double their value" by moving back to southern California.

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Contrast that with Oakland, where the Raiders had to tarp 10,000 seats in the Coliseum just to bring game attendance closer to capacity -- although it still struggled to sell out home games and avoid TV blackouts. A long streak of losing hasn't helped -- the Raiders have gone 12 seasons without a winning record, and only twice did they win more than five games in a year -- but the franchise doesn't have a lot going for it in Oakland.

Yet the franchise, and in particular owner Mark Davis, seems reluctant to leave Oakland. Kephart insists that there are two reasons why: For one, Davis wants to do everything he can to stay in Oakland.

And second of all, the Los Angeles deal isn't as great as it's being made to seem. Despite some lofty suggestions for how much the Raiders could benefit, Kephart hasn't seen any hard evidence backing up those claims.

"The L.A. market is a very tough market for anything," Kephart says. "For the NFL, it has been a challenging market -- both for the Rams as well as the Raiders.

"I don't think [the financial benefits of a move] are going to outpace what a new stadium in Oakland would do, with a dedicated fan base already in place. Oakland is the brand, to a large degree."

In other words, the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles and its shiny new stadium have done little to tempt the Raiders. Despite the optimistic conversation coming out of southern California, the team seems hopeful it can secure a new stadium deal in Alameda County.

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"I'm one of these guys that believes the owner is always making the best decision for his business," Kephart says. "I actually think Mark Davis is making the best business decision to stay in Oakland.

Meanwhile, one of the most impressive stadiums in the world is waiting in the wings as a clear backup option. This hierarchy doesn't fit the recent pattern of recent sports venue constructions in America.

Professional sports franchises have become pretty savvy about using a potential relocation as collateral for building a new stadium on local turf. Los Angeles, meanwhile, has always been the convenient threat looming on the horizon: One of the country's biggest cities, a former pro football city desperate to put itself back on the NFL map.

The Vikings used L.A. to strong-arm Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota into forking over $450 million for its new building. The 49ers followed the money down to Santa Clara -- a traffic-filled drive from San Francisco. Even the proposed Los Angeles Stadium is not located within L.A. proper -- it's located, rather, where developers and private financiers found a good business deal.

Jerry Jones paid for AT&T Stadium out of his own pocket, sure, but that was a vanity project -- an outlier. Most NFL owners are shrewd businessmen that use their sports franchises as vehicles for further business deals.

You can't exactly exempt the Davis family in that group, especially if Kephart is correct that Davis is making the best business decision. Oakland's idea for a smaller, humbler stadium isn't anything less than the best business decision it can make: the price tag is lower, and the smaller stadium will make it easier to sell out home games and avoid local blackouts without lowering ticket prices.

Getty-Oakland-Coliseum-Raiders-453342491-BP.jpg


An updated venue would feature better features for generating revenue, including improved vendor opportunities and the attraction of other major events throughout the calendar year. And by continuing to be associated with Oakland, the Raiders brand value is preserved -- an all-important consideration for any professional sports team.

The fact remains that the Raiders won't stay without a new stadium. O.Co Coliseum is worn down and features too low a ceiling on revenue opportunities. Kephart points out that even if the Raiders were to move, he's not sure Los Angeles is the favorite: alternatives like San Antonio or even sharing the Santa Clara stadium with the 49ers -- a move Davis has publicly opposed, but may ultimately prefer over going back to L.A. -- could have better odds of landing the Raiders franchise.

But the Raiders want to stay home, and they're not asking for much: a new, small stadium to replace its 49-year-old home, and at no cost to the city. Communities have been gouged for far worse in the recent past, or have lost professional teams due to their refusal to pony up -- that's the main reason the NBA's Seattle Supersonics now play in Oklahoma City as the Thunder.

Kephart is optimistic that an Oakland deal will eventually happen. The wheels of progress, he said, could start turning as early as this week. But after years of asking the city and county to come together and give the green light, the Raiders are running out of time.

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It also remains to be seen what the city and county want in exchange for approving a new stadium project. Because both sides have yet to come together and reach a consensus, Kephart says the Raiders have no idea what will come out of those meetings.

"That's the whole issue," he says. "We have zero clue what the city or county actually wants or will do, or can do, as it relates to this. That's the reason we're trying to get [the city and county] to lay out an agreement between the two of them. That way you can negotiate whatever it is, so that you're not whiplashed between two parties.

"This [problem] is not new. That's why the frustration exists.
 

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Raiders Stadium Solution In Oakland May Buck National Trend By Going Small


In Dallas, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones built a $1.3 billion stadium designed to be the greatest football venue in the country. In Minneapolis, construction is underway on the "Ice Palace," a domed behemoth with an exterior style that evokes the region's brutal winter landscape.

In Santa Clara, the 49ers opened Levi's Stadium this year with insistence that it was the most technologically advanced stadium in the world. And just 33 miles to the north, the Oakland Raiders are making plans for a new stadium of their own.

But so far, the plans aren't following the NFL's "new normal." Where so many teams are chasing bigger, better, more lavish stadiums -- ones with significant funding from taxpayers, in many cases -- the Raiders are taking a more modest approach.

They want a smaller stadium.

That's assuming the franchise doesn't up and leave for Los Angeles, where developers have plans in place to built a $1.7 billion mega-stadium. The venue could accommodate both the San Diego Chargers as well as the Raiders, giving the L.A. area two NFL teams along with one impressive stadium.

Developers in Carson, California, where land has been acquired to build the stadium, are making an aggressive effort to woo the Raiders and Chargers. In the proposed deal, both franchises would co-own the to-be-named Los Angeles Stadium.

Contrast that with the Raiders' alternative -- and what appears to be its preference -- of building the NFL's smallest stadium, and staying in Oakland. The $800 million price tag is right around what they would pay to own half of a proposed Los Angeles Stadium.

losangelesstadium.png

If we're judging off of recent NFL precedent, the L.A. construction would seem to be the favorite. It's large, beautiful, and in a great location that would guarantee high-profile events, including the Super Bowl.

But according to Floyd Kephart, a development executive working to facilitate an agreement on a new Oakland stadium, the lavish trappings offered in Los Angeles aren't at the top of the franchise's list of priorities. He paints owner Mark Davis as someone who is fiercely loyal to the fan base in Oakland and has no interest in moving the team.

That said, the team remains without a deal for a stadium, and the clock is ticking. Kephart said the process is brewing frustration.

"It's all political and bureaucratic," Kephart says. "It has nothing to do with anything that is a negotiating point. That’s what I would tell you from a business perspective."

It's not unusual for an NFL franchise to be at odds with the local government over a new stadium construction. And if that were the case, Los Angeles is perfect collateral. Like the Vikings before them, the Raiders could float a move to L.A. as a likely alternative if its demands aren't met.

But there's a big difference in how those two teams have sought out a new stadium. In Minnesota, Vikings owner Zygi Wilf wanted a huge sum of financial backing from taxpayers. He wanted a grand construction that would serve as a cash cow and attract the Super Bowl.

vikingsstadiumicecastle1.jpg

The Raiders have no such fantasies. Any proposal for a new stadium would be modest. The team intends to draw up schemes for a 55,000-seat stadium, which is smaller than O.Co Coliseum -- in fact, it would be the smallest in the NFL. And Kephart says it isn't asking the city for a dime.

"The deal has always been, no new debt and no public taxes to pay for anything related to either of the sports teams," Kephart says. The Raiders are prepared to provide as much as $500 million for a new stadium. Private financing is expected to cover the rest of the cost.

In other words, the city of Oakland and Alameda County could become the new home for a great revenue-generating venue -- a source of profit for both governments. All that stands in the way is a formal convening of the city and the county, which jointly owns the land where the new property would be built.

Getty-Young-Raiders-Fan-127949908-BP.jpg


So far, neither sides have come to the table. Kephart said that there are new politicians who have recently taken office, including a new mayor in Oakland and a new county commissioner in Alameda. He suggests that both parties are acclimating to one another right now, and that's caused the stadium planning to get placed on the back burner.

Progress toward a formal negotiation process appears to be happening, but it's moving at a turtle's pace. In the meantime, the Raiders have yet to produce formal plans for an Oakland stadium.

With every passing day, possible suitors for the Raiders grow more aggressive about stealing the franchise out of indecisive Oakland. Last week, backers for Los Angeles Stadium filed a ballot initiative to move the Raiders' relocation one step closer to reality. Los Angeles isn't exactly foreign territory: The Raiders called L.A. home from 1982 to 1994, before and after which they played in Oakland.

Some experts suggest that a relocation to the L.A. market also positions the Raiders for a financial bonanza. The larger stadium and invigorated local fan base would drive ticket sales, and modern revenue generating features in the stadium would far exceed what the outdated Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum currently has to offer.

The mere valuation of the Raiders franchise would be poised for a dramatic upward revision. As noted in a a column for ThePostGame last month, Leigh Steinberg estimates that the Raiders -- currently the NFL's lowest-valued at an appraised $970 million -- would quickly "double their value" by moving back to southern California.

1458700498.jpg


Contrast that with Oakland, where the Raiders had to tarp 10,000 seats in the Coliseum just to bring game attendance closer to capacity -- although it still struggled to sell out home games and avoid TV blackouts. A long streak of losing hasn't helped -- the Raiders have gone 12 seasons without a winning record, and only twice did they win more than five games in a year -- but the franchise doesn't have a lot going for it in Oakland.

Yet the franchise, and in particular owner Mark Davis, seems reluctant to leave Oakland. Kephart insists that there are two reasons why: For one, Davis wants to do everything he can to stay in Oakland.

And second of all, the Los Angeles deal isn't as great as it's being made to seem. Despite some lofty suggestions for how much the Raiders could benefit, Kephart hasn't seen any hard evidence backing up those claims.

"The L.A. market is a very tough market for anything," Kephart says. "For the NFL, it has been a challenging market -- both for the Rams as well as the Raiders.

"I don't think [the financial benefits of a move] are going to outpace what a new stadium in Oakland would do, with a dedicated fan base already in place. Oakland is the brand, to a large degree."

In other words, the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles and its shiny new stadium have done little to tempt the Raiders. Despite the optimistic conversation coming out of southern California, the team seems hopeful it can secure a new stadium deal in Alameda County.

1458732044.jpg


"I'm one of these guys that believes the owner is always making the best decision for his business," Kephart says. "I actually think Mark Davis is making the best business decision to stay in Oakland.

Meanwhile, one of the most impressive stadiums in the world is waiting in the wings as a clear backup option. This hierarchy doesn't fit the recent pattern of recent sports venue constructions in America.

Professional sports franchises have become pretty savvy about using a potential relocation as collateral for building a new stadium on local turf. Los Angeles, meanwhile, has always been the convenient threat looming on the horizon: One of the country's biggest cities, a former pro football city desperate to put itself back on the NFL map.

The Vikings used L.A. to strong-arm Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota into forking over $450 million for its new building. The 49ers followed the money down to Santa Clara -- a traffic-filled drive from San Francisco. Even the proposed Los Angeles Stadium is not located within L.A. proper -- it's located, rather, where developers and private financiers found a good business deal.

Jerry Jones paid for AT&T Stadium out of his own pocket, sure, but that was a vanity project -- an outlier. Most NFL owners are shrewd businessmen that use their sports franchises as vehicles for further business deals.

You can't exactly exempt the Davis family in that group, especially if Kephart is correct that Davis is making the best business decision. Oakland's idea for a smaller, humbler stadium isn't anything less than the best business decision it can make: the price tag is lower, and the smaller stadium will make it easier to sell out home games and avoid local blackouts without lowering ticket prices.

Getty-Oakland-Coliseum-Raiders-453342491-BP.jpg


An updated venue would feature better features for generating revenue, including improved vendor opportunities and the attraction of other major events throughout the calendar year. And by continuing to be associated with Oakland, the Raiders brand value is preserved -- an all-important consideration for any professional sports team.

The fact remains that the Raiders won't stay without a new stadium. O.Co Coliseum is worn down and features too low a ceiling on revenue opportunities. Kephart points out that even if the Raiders were to move, he's not sure Los Angeles is the favorite: alternatives like San Antonio or even sharing the Santa Clara stadium with the 49ers -- a move Davis has publicly opposed, but may ultimately prefer over going back to L.A. -- could have better odds of landing the Raiders franchise.

But the Raiders want to stay home, and they're not asking for much: a new, small stadium to replace its 49-year-old home, and at no cost to the city. Communities have been gouged for far worse in the recent past, or have lost professional teams due to their refusal to pony up -- that's the main reason the NBA's Seattle Supersonics now play in Oklahoma City as the Thunder.

Kephart is optimistic that an Oakland deal will eventually happen. The wheels of progress, he said, could start turning as early as this week. But after years of asking the city and county to come together and give the green light, the Raiders are running out of time.

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It also remains to be seen what the city and county want in exchange for approving a new stadium project. Because both sides have yet to come together and reach a consensus, Kephart says the Raiders have no idea what will come out of those meetings.

"That's the whole issue," he says. "We have zero clue what the city or county actually wants or will do, or can do, as it relates to this. That's the reason we're trying to get [the city and county] to lay out an agreement between the two of them. That way you can negotiate whatever it is, so that you're not whiplashed between two parties.

"This [problem] is not new. That's why the frustration exists.

A few requests.

- AGAIN, post links to stories. Not linking original material has caused legal issues for boards in the past. Do this out of respect for the owners of ROD.
- Look at the dates of the stories you're posting. This one's 10 days old.
 

RamFan503

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A few requests.

- AGAIN, post links to stories. Not linking original material has caused legal issues for boards in the past. Do this out of respect for the owners of ROD.
- Look at the dates of the stories you're posting. This one's 10 days old.
The top photo actually links to the story.
 

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The top photo actually links to the story.
A visible link would be best for legality.

I don't think it's that hard to post a URL link on these boards.

Just trying to look out for a simple solution to protect the board we all love.
 

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A visible link would be best for legality.

I don't think it's that hard to post a URL link on these boards.

Just trying to look out for a simple solution to protect the board we all love.
My bad I forgot. Again. The article was published last night btw not 10 days ago.
 
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