BREAKING NEWS !! Myles Garrett to the Rams / Verse to the Browns

[DzRams]

As of right now, yes. Acting like a young player has no chance to get much better is what I question. All I said was Verse has a chance and some people wanna act like I said he'll actually get there.

This feels like a misrepresentation of what people are saying. I'm not seeing anyone saying that Verse can't or won't get better. I'm seeing people saying that he will never be on Garrett's level.

Turner and Verse will likely both get better. But my opinion is, just as Turner will never reach AD's level, Verse will never reach Garrett's level.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

This feels like a misrepresentation of what people are saying. I'm not seeing anyone saying that Verse can't or won't get better. I'm seeing people saying that he will never be on Garrett's level.

Turner and Verse will likely both get better. But my opinion is, just as Turner will never reach AD's level, Verse will never reach Garrett's level.

Yeah I have a huge problem with saying never based on the potential he's shown. That to me is insane when he's only 2 years in. I'm not even saying it's going to be easy to get there or that it's a guarantee he's going to get there but he's got a better chance than most. Verse finishing his sacks more consistently would put him in double digit sack territory which is where Myles is as a pass rusher. There are other parts of his game he needs to work on but it's only year two, we'll see how it goes.

 

[DzRams]

Yeah I have a huge problem with saying never based on the potential he's shown. That to me is insane when he's only 2 years in. I'm not even saying it's going to be easy to get there or that it's a guarantee he's going to get there but he's got a better chance than most. Verse finishing his sacks more consistently would put him in double digit sack territory which is where Myles is as a pass rusher. There are other parts of his game he needs to work on but it's only year two, we'll see how it goes.

It's my opinion. I feel we underestimate how good the AD and Garrett types are.

There's a reason Verse isn't getting the sacks. He has one move - the bull rush. It's hard to throttle down and finish consistently from a bull rush. And I believe his arms are short. The skill set of Garrett at the same stage was far ahead of where Verse is.

If you want to say that potential is there, I disagree, but respect it.

 

[Merlin]

I actually think it's funny because I'm literally just talking about Verse's potential.

Look I don't want to be negative with a player I like (Verse), but the truth is he will never be at Garrett's level. He has two seasons under his belt. The dude is a classically built (long and rangy) power end. Those guys are valuable too, which is why Cleveland wanted him in the deal. But he is not explosive and that is not going to change. And he's never going to be strong in contain.

As he ages we may see him play more and more 5T type role in that Cleveland defense as well. As that role suits him and the contain is not prioritized like it is on the blindside.

Either way Cleveland got a good young Edge. LA got a Hall of Fame Edge. They're not comparable and likely won't ever be. For Cleveland to come out on top in the trade balance, they would need Verse to show improvement in contain as well as adding more rush moves, and on top of that hit big on the picks they got.

 

[jrry32]

Look I don't want to be negative with a player I like (Verse), but the truth is he will never be at Garrett's level. He has two seasons under his belt. The dude is a classically built (long and rangy) power end. Those guys are valuable too, which is why Cleveland wanted him in the deal. But he is not explosive and that is not going to change. And he's never going to be strong in contain.

As he ages we may see him play more and more 5T type role in that Cleveland defense as well. As that role suits him and the contain is not prioritized like it is on the blindside.

Either way Cleveland got a good young Edge. LA got a Hall of Fame Edge. They're not comparable and likely won't ever be. For Cleveland to come out on top in the trade balance, they would need Verse to show improvement in contain as well as adding more rush moves, and on top of that hit big on the picks they got.

I agree with your conclusion, but I disagree that Verse isn't explosive. He is. Verse doesn't have the bend to consistently turn the corner and win the edge. That's why he'll never be Garrett. He has to win with power, hand usage, and skill. Still has the potential to become a great EDGE, but he's never going to be an elite pass rusher. Can become a 10ish sack per year type of guy who gets a lot of pressure, but he won't be a 17 sack per year guy (Garrett's average over the last 5 years).

 

[Merlin]

I agree with your conclusion, but I disagree that Verse isn't explosive. He is. Verse doesn't have the bend to consistently turn the corner and win the edge. That's why he'll never be Garrett. He has to win with power, hand usage, and skill. Still has the potential to become a great EDGE, but he's never going to be an elite pass rusher. Can become a 10ish sack per year type of guy who gets a lot of pressure, but he won't be a 17 sack per year guy (Garrett's average over the last 5 years).

The gulf is vast in their relative contain as well.

 

[PhillyRam]

I agree with your conclusion, but I disagree that Verse isn't explosive. He is. Verse doesn't have the bend to consistently turn the corner and win the edge. That's why he'll never be Garrett. He has to win with power, hand usage, and skill. Still has the potential to become a great EDGE, but he's never going to be an elite pass rusher. Can become a 10ish sack per year type of guy who gets a lot of pressure, but he won't be a 17 sack per year guy (Garrett's average over the last 5 years).

One of the shows mentioned that Garret had the quickest "get off" in the league. They measure that. Verse wasnt in the top 70 and he had the best get off on the Rams, even better than Young. However, it shows that at the age of 30, Garrett should ve effective for quite a few years barring a major injury.

It also shows that Rams have a buch of bull rushers, they pressure & push the pocket, but outside of Young, they don't close often enough.

 

[DzRams]

The gulf is vast in their relative contain as well.

Yes, but he can get better there.

 

[Psycho_X]

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[El Chapo Jr]

It's my opinion. I feel we underestimate how good the AD and Garrett types are.

There's a reason Verse isn't getting the sacks. He has one move - the bull rush. It's hard to throttle down and finish consistently from a bull rush. And I believe his arms are short. The skill set of Garrett at the same stage was far ahead of where Verse is.

If you want to say that potential is there, I disagree, but respect it.

Yeah we disagree, which is ok, as I believe the potential is there. It'll be interesting to see if he can fulfill his actual potential or not

 

[jjab360]

I actually think it's funny because I'm literally just talking about Verse's potential. Rams obviously traded potential for the sure thing HOF'er which is a no-brainer. I honestly think both teams did well in this trade scenario. Unfortunately it's still Cleveland so I feel bad for him there lol

I agree with this point, it was fair compensation. I think one of the many things that separates Snead from other GMs is that so many teams are focused on "winning" trades and too scared to pull the trigger.

 

[dieterbrock]

Kyren Williams is to Marshall Faulk what Jared Verse is to Myles Garrett
A really good player who you can win with, but not the absolute game wrecker GOAT conversation type

 

[den-the-coach]

Kyren Williams is to Marshall Faulk what Jared Verse is to Myles Garrett
A really good player who you can win with, but not the absolute game wrecker GOAT conversation type

I concur with this assessment and I love Kyren Williams and have had him on my fantasy team since he has been a rookie.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Look I don't want to be negative with a player I like (Verse), but the truth is he will never be at Garrett's level. He has two seasons under his belt. The dude is a classically built (long and rangy) power end. Those guys are valuable too, which is why Cleveland wanted him in the deal. But he is not explosive and that is not going to change. And he's never going to be strong in contain.

As he ages we may see him play more and more 5T type role in that Cleveland defense as well. As that role suits him and the contain is not prioritized like it is on the blindside.

Either way Cleveland got a good young Edge. LA got a Hall of Fame Edge. They're not comparable and likely won't ever be. For Cleveland to come out on top in the trade balance, they would need Verse to show improvement in contain as well as adding more rush moves, and on top of that hit big on the picks they got.

I disagree but thats ok. I'm just not into dismissing a player's potential 2 years in.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Kyren Williams is to Marshall Faulk what Jared Verse is to Myles Garrett
A really good player who you can win with, but not the absolute game wrecker GOAT conversation type

Right now, yes....down the road, maybe, maybe not. Too early.

 

[jjab360]

Yeah we disagree, which is ok, as I believe the potential is there. It'll be interesting to see if he can fulfill his actual potential or not

I think we're pretty much done beating this dead horse but it's hard to get over how strange this take is. Verse is not some unknown prospect, we've seen enough of him over these past few years to have a pretty good idea of what kind of player he is and how good he can be. He'll always be a very good pass rusher but to say he can be the GOAT? Nobody in the NFL world thinks that, even Jared Verse doesn't think that. It would be delusional.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I agree with this point, it was fair compensation. I think one of the many things that separates Snead from other GMs is that so many teams are focused on "winning" trades and too scared to pull the trigger.

The Rams know their window is now so I totally understand the trade. They go for the jugular if they think they have a team that can go all the way. I know we all love that for sure.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I think we're pretty much done beating this dead horse but it's hard to get over how strange this take is. Verse is not some unknown prospect, we've seen enough of him over these past few years to have a pretty good idea of what kind of player he is and how good he can be. He'll always be a very good pass rusher but to say he can be the GOAT? Nobody in the NFL world thinks that, even Jared Verse doesn't think that. It would be delusional.

I'm not saying he will be but could he make his way up to being considered amongst the best when his pressures are already getting there? I don't think that is far fetched at all. I think y'all selling that man's potential short, but its ok if y'all disagree. The fire and high motor he plays with shows me he's got a huge desire to get better. In the meantime, I'll enjoy watching Garrett wreck havoc so think I'm discounting that.

 

[PARAM]

The Rams know their window is now so I totally understand the trade. They go for the jugular if they think they have a team that can go all the way. I know we all love that for sure.

They've been keeping their window open every year since they traded for Stafford. Only a calamity of terrible OL health in 2022 derailed them.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I agree with your conclusion, but I disagree that Verse isn't explosive. He is. Verse doesn't have the bend to consistently turn the corner and win the edge. That's why he'll never be Garrett. He has to win with power, hand usage, and skill. Still has the potential to become a great EDGE, but he's never going to be an elite pass rusher. Can become a 10ish sack per year type of guy who gets a lot of pressure, but he won't be a 17 sack per year guy (Garrett's average over the last 5 years).

That's where I say TBD because of the amount of pressures that he's been able to generate in his young career. I'm not saying it'll be easy or that he'll pull it off but he has a good chance as most.