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Stafford was drafted by an 0-16 team, so if we're going to include his rookie year we definitely need to include Goff's.
Also - one reason why I hate this stat - this is rarely just a QB stat. For example, the Chiefs game - Goff played well, but he threw what should have been a potentially game ending INT a few plays before the TD to Everett. Hit the Chiefs defender right in the hands, dropped it. Then the defense picks off the league MVP twice to seal the game.
Stafford probably has some similar situations - I'm not intimately familiar with every game he's played like I am Goff. But given that Detroits defense would have absolutely no chance of stopping a team like the Chiefs, it does make his comebacks a bit more impressive to me.
Here's a direct comparison ironically:
Kansas City Chiefs at Detroit Lions - September 29th, 2019 | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Kansas City Chiefs 34 at Detroit Lions 30 on September 29th, 2019 - Full team and player stats and box scorewww.pro-football-reference.com
In both games, Goff and Stafford threw go ahead TDs. Against the Rams, the Chiefs needed a FG, had two chances, and failed.
Against the Lions, the Chiefs had 30 more seconds but needed a TD and got it.
For Goff it's a 4th quarter comeback, for Stafford it's a loss.
First off, Stafford was drafted by an 0-16 team, yes, who had won 7 game the previous year. So yeah, the 0-16 sucked but how much worse were they than the Rams team that drafted Goff? Let's not make it sound like the Rams were on the verge of making the playoffs. They were barely on the verge of making it to .500, which they didn't.
But fair enough lets include Goff's rookie season....6 comebacks in 33 chances. Stafford 31 comebacks in 122 chances. Stafford definitely has a better "comebacks to chances" average. Stafford has had the opportunity, on average, a tick more than 10 times per year with an average of 2.5 per. Goff has had the opportunity, on average, 6.6 times per season and converted, on average a tick more than 1. I'd hope Stafford is more adept at running the 2 minute offense with 122 times in live action.
But in reality, I simply based those chances on the number of losses, plus comeback wins = number of opportunities. It's unfair to both of them because certainly, neither had that many actual opportunities. When you're trailing 35-10 going into the 4th quarter and never possess the ball with the score within 8 points, it's really not an opportunity IMHO. For instance, in Goff's rookie year, 7 losses, he had the ball trailing by 8 or less in the 4th quarter once, vs SF. He blew that chance for a comeback so he was actually 0 for 1 in 2016. After a review, he's actually 6 of 18 which is 33%. I wonder what percentage "the best" have in those situations?
Anyhow, like you, I've seen all of Goff's comebacks and haven't seen many of Stafford's. And also like you, Stafford's are more impressive to me because he's now the Rams QB.
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