My $0.02 on the state of my Rams

[thirteen28]

very well said amigo, lots to fix,, but Goff way down on the list
train

To be sure, I'm not giving Goff a pass - he has a lot of work to do this offseason. But neither am I going to give anyone else who's underperforming a pass. It's a team sport after all.

 

[Merlin]

I am going to review each one of Goff's pass plays in the All 22 and see if he had a chance to throw.

On those roll-outs, it seemed like he had time to make a play but no receiver was open.

Like I have mentioned before rollouts are a surprise type play. They make the DE play honest. But if you overuse them teams adjust and we saw that yesterday.

The other drawback is rollouts limit the field. You get half the options and space.

McVay has done about as much as he can to mask the OL weaknesses.

Goff's had a lot of issues but some of them relate to him not trusting the line. He rushes the ball out way too quickly at times and misses opportunities as a result. It is hard to fix that in season when you are also trying to help him limit mistakes.

I think what we are seeing is a perfect storm of OL weaknesses being exposed, as well as WR3 non-threat and poor QB play.

 

[badnews]

McVay has done about as much as he can to mask the OL weaknesses.

I think what we are seeing is a perfect storm of OL weaknesses being exposed, as well as WR3 non-threat and poor QB play.

Yes and yes and yes some more.
And these deficiencies all combine and compile each other. Perfect storm is an accurate description.

And I would go so far as to ask if it is possible that McVays efforts to mask his O-lines weaknesses have been to the detriment of his QB overall?
It's kinda like robbing Peter to pay Paul... by masking his O-lines issues he's inadvertantly making it the QBs problem. Without having those plays in the playbook, without using the whole field and keeping the defense honest, it's essentially like every pass play is in the redzone with zero margin for error.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

very well said amigo, lots to fix,, but Goff way down on the list
train

I've posted quite a few times about the other things needing tweaking that are NOT Goff. Having said that, he is still TOP of that list.

Just like McVay says, I believe with my eyes, not my ears. So whatever Goff or McVay tells you in press conferences, I just have to watch Goff continue to make the wrong choices. With my EYES I see this.

Truly don't know why you folks continue to claim he is not a big problem, and keep deflecting with other issues that are minor in comparison.

But hey, we're all Rams fans so to each his own.

Let's get into the playoffs and see where we go from there...

 

[kurtfaulk]

The thing screaming visually at me right now... The throwing windows are so tight.

The precision required to move the ball, no wonder we break down.

Where is the open running receiver? At least occasionally? (I’m joking... but you get the point).

Goff is struggling, but does he ever get easy throws any more? Everything is timing, timing, timing....

Probably a dozen times, I’m watching games this year and I’ve said out loud to myself... “I don’t like our offense”.

“Even when it works... it feels like a lot of work.”.

I keep asking myself; am I seeing this wrong?

this offense reminds me of the 2011 offense when mcdouche was the oc.

every single completion looked like hard work.

i'd watch the other team throwing simple passes to wide open receivers from time to time. then the rams offense would come out and there was nothing. every throw had a defender right up the receiver's arse.

much like now.

mcvay needs to work out why this is happening and fix it before next season.

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[CGI_Ram]

This is the post I wish I had written. Clear and simple and it describes exactly what I am seeing.

Some of the bagging on Goff he needs to own, but sometimes I am amazed he doesn’t have MORE interceptions.

The coaches say “we need to avoid mistakes”... Well, the offense feels like a unicycle and 3 pitchers of beer sometimes.

Good luck avoid falling off.

So, if McVay can't even trust Goff with the simplest of decisions, why would he even open the offense back up and get aggressive when it's only going to cause (likely) more turnovers?

I’d roll back further and ask the question why did he extend him?

Goff didn‘t sign his own deal.

If McVay is cutting things back for Goff, who decided the above. If Goff has regressed, does the HC own some of that?

Not asking you @ottoman89 specifically,... asking out loud.

If you review the game, Goff was making much tighter window throws than Wilson (and I'm not saying Wilson is worse). Especially on third down.

Goff owns his shit... but these throwing windows need to open.

A running QB like Wolford might open some throwing lanes up, actually. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him succeed some.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Some of the bagging on Goff he needs to own, but sometimes I amazed he doesn’t have MORE interceptions.

The coaches say “we need to avoid mistakes”... Well, the offense feels like a unicycle and 3 pitchers of beer sometimes.

Good luck avoid falling off.




I’d roll back further and ask the question why did he extend him?

Goff didn‘t sign his own deal.

If McVay is cutting things back for Goff, who decided the above. If Goff has regressed, does the HC own some of that?

Not asking you @ottoman89 specifically,... asking out loud.




Goff owns his shit... but these throwing windows need to open.

A running QB like Wolford might open some throwing lanes up, actually. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him succeed some.

Hi @CGI_Ram

 

[Angry Ram]

That's pretty misleading. The Rams are also 10th in the league in passing yards. Our star tackle got injured and our QB and 2 RBs are injured (one twice). The poor o-line play this year cannot be ignored.

There is no evidence that McVay is limiting the offense. Week to week it looks like he calls plays to exploit what he perceives as mistmatces. For instance, I don't think we ran a single 3rd down screen yesterday. Most of the pass plays were in the gun.

Statistics can be (and in this case, most definitely are) misleading. The OL you tout couldn't even get enough push for us to put the ball in the EZ on four running plays after we had 1st and goal at the SEA 2 yard line. They can't pass protect long enough for deep patterns to develop either, which is more important given that we don't have a deep burner on our team. They are not a top unit, they are not even in the top half of OLs in the league right now, the stats you cited notwithstanding.

So the OL plays doesn't play a role in the run game? No holes, no push? OK. Malcom Brown has all 5 TDs in the redzone, within the 5 or less? Nothing from the OL there? They have straight up bullied some teams this year, with and without Andrew Whitworth (Bears, Bucs, shitbirds, Cardinals, etc). Jared almost gave the game away against the Bucs if it weren't for defensive heroics.

Look, I'll I'm unable to watch every single snap of every single game, but in the national games and the pieces I get to see on Redzone, my non-coaching eyes tell me the OL is not bad as everyone makes it out to be. Yesterday, I didn't really see Jared under fire all the time. And the numbers show, 23 sacks allowed, that's among the fewest in the league. Russell Wilson has 45, and he doesn't turn it over. Hell Deshaun Watson has the worst OL in the league, sacked the most, no DeAndre Hopkins, at one point lost all 3 starting WRs, literally the worst run game in the league and he went on stretch of 8 games of something with ZERO picks.

Why are we needing a fortress around Jared? No QB has that, and most QBs do something to avoid trouble when it comes if they can. He has a run game, he has an Super Bowl caliber D routinely keeping opponents under 20 points a game for long stretches. Making smarter decisions is on the QB making the play. It's a pattern and at this point he's a liability.

Guys, yesterday broke me. I can't get over it. I shouldn't have to make a face EVERY time he throws it in fear of a pick or a fumble.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

To recap, just for starters, we’ve lost our two best RBs and our best LT until the POs, we’ve lost one of our better safeties, and our QB just broke his thumb on his throwing hand. Check check and check. Our QB is confused our coach is bewildered, and our Defense is left to stop the bleeding. Sounds like an average team to me. Anything we get from here on out is gravy.

 

[UKram]

Watson may have gone 8 games without a pick ... but he also 11 loses this season ..

 

[nighttrain]

I've posted quite a few times about the other things needing tweaking that are NOT Goff. Having said that, he is still TOP of that list.

Just like McVay says, I believe with my eyes, not my ears. So whatever Goff or McVay tells you in press conferences, I just have to watch Goff continue to make the wrong choices. With my EYES I see this.

Truly don't know why you folks continue to claim he is not a big problem, and keep deflecting with other issues that are minor in comparison.

But hey, we're all Rams fans so to each his own.

Let's get into the playoffs and see where we go from there...

fix the line and get a deep threat, then we'll see how Goff fares, much better I'm thinkin
train

 

[thirteen28]

Truly don't know why you folks continue to claim he is not a big problem, and keep deflecting with other issues that are minor in comparison.

Pointing out other things isn't deflecting. Goff definitely has a lot to work on, no disputing that. But pointing out something like a subpar OL hardly qualifies as "minor".

Show me a bad OL, and I will show you a bad offense. While I don't think this year's OL is as bad as it was last year, it's still a far cry from 2017 and 2018, when Goff was playing great.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Guys, yesterday broke me. I can't get over it.

This might help...

Or might not.

 

[A.J. Hicks]

Does it kind of feel like Mcvay and Goff both circled the New England game?

Like that was their 'super bowl' (revenge) and after that they were just so relieved they kind of relaxed a bit.

 

[lordbannon]

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You're right, I don't. But when you have some of the best Offensive Coaches in football and you're regressing, and making the same mistakes that not even rookies make. I have rightfully have the opinion that your head isn't in it and you have some shit going on.

Outside of McVay, which offensive coaches are these? The one coaching in GB? CIN? The OC who led the worst offense in football last year? The QB coach who just started this year and is already leaving?

No question Goff's game has regressed - especially the back half of the year. But I'm not seeing this masterful coaching staff on offense.

 

[Angry Ram]

This might help...

Or might not.

 

[bwdenverram]

Well if you start with the cornerstone positions there's a lot of things up in the air right now...

1. QB. Can Goff be the guy if they improve the line? I still tend to think so however my confidence in him is shaken. I'd like to be a fly on the wall at Rams Park this week...

2. LT. Whit hopefully gets back after we hopefully get in the playoffs. But age is undefeated. I am not as confident as our OL coach in our options I think our future LT will come in the draft.

3. Edge. We're likely to lose Floyd but even if the Rams find a way to keep him (which I believe is in-work right now) we need a blindside rush. Blindside rush is a cornerstone position but it's a gaping hole for us now, we are not in a good spot there.

4. CB. Rams are loaded here. They have an elite CB in Ramsey and another one in late development in Williams.

Seems to me that improving the OL will be the team's offseason focus for a couple reasons. First it will help them recoup their investment in Goff. Giving him better talent up front means a better run game and more time to throw both of which would help him immensely. IMO we need two linemen (LT and C) but who knows what the Rams think.

The Rams' overall draft strategy will revolve around one of two possible positions: LT and Edge. Which if any is the one they might be able to fill in round 2 then go from there. IMO a trade up might happen this year, since team boards will probably vary more than usual so there should be a lot of teams seeing guys they really like getting to certain picks and I would guess more trades.

Totally agree. Only question I have (love your feedback) is do you think (as good as Woods and Kupp are) are we missing a real deep threat OR a tall hard to guard WR. Feels like we need one more big time weapon that keeps safeties honest.

 

[badnews]

Truly don't know why you folks continue to claim he is not a big problem, and keep deflecting with other issues that are minor in comparison.
...

Well I'm sure I'm one of those "you folks" who keep "deflecting", despite making it clear repeatedly that literally EVERYONE KNOWS HE'S STRUGGLING. He's having his worst year by far. We all know it. We all see it. We've all said it. What do you want from us? To curse his name? Blame his girlfriend? Call him a spoiled baby? Seriously! What amount of repetitive shit talking on the same guy is enough before we can talk about something else without having our opinions written off as ulterior motives? That's some straight up horse shit.


How many posts does it take to say Goff has been playing badly?
How many posters have to say it and how many times? It's an obnoxious broken record.
At what point is it okay with you guys for the rest of us to ask about all of our other problems without the condescending dismissal of our opinions as "deflecting?"

Thats exactly what the Bitch About Goff club is doing (B.A.G. is a fitting acronym) when we bring up the fact that this entire offense has serious issues beyond the QB.

I expect the average casual fans on Facebook or youtube to lack the capacity to recognize and discuss problems beyond the QB, but I believe most of ROD can discuss more than one issue at a time and can watch football without fixating on one position.

 

[RamDino]

I think we're starting to see some real good ideas discussed here. I have been dumbfounded after that last game, hell, after the Jets game, and I don't even know what to make of all this. Two weeks ago we were going to the super bowl and today we might miss the playoffs. Oh, and our QB is probably out for the season.

I believe the recent posters above have nailed it... the Rams offense is just too inconsistent across the board. Some weeks the line sucks, other weeks Goff sucks, the play calling is abysmal, and our receivers can't ever run more than 10 yard patterns. Even though the Rams are ranked pretty high in rushing yardage... there are times when they just can't run the ball. It has been a total offensive collapse.

The game in Tampa was a real eye-opener for me. Goff had a good game, but he also had to throw 50 times. And the Rams had no running game whatsoever. In hindsight, winning that game was probably more luck than anything else. You can't win consistently throwing 50 times a game.

The Rams offense just can't pass vertically anymore. In a way, it kind of reminds me of Jeff Fisher's offenses. When they can start throwing vertically again, it will open up the run game, and this offense might be great again. That's what happened when McVay got here. JMHO.

 

[Merlin]

Yes and yes and yes some more.
And these deficiencies all combine and compile each other. Perfect storm is an accurate description.

And I would go so far as to ask if it is possible that McVays efforts to mask his O-lines weaknesses have been to the detriment of his QB overall?
It's kinda like robbing Peter to pay Paul... by masking his O-lines issues he's inadvertantly making it the QBs problem. Without having those plays in the playbook, without using the whole field and keeping the defense honest, it's essentially like every pass play is in the redzone with zero margin for error.

I think McVay's top 3 range in the league as an offensive mind in terms of protecting his QB. He's not crazy as fuck like Martz, and has a healthy run game respect he's just impatient like a lot of those best mind types are in terms of going away from the run when it's not working.

The boot actions. Tons of innovative screens. DL needing to run sideline to sideline. He wears out defensive fronts and IMO embodies the best in the WCO in how he schemes it up.

So both Wolford and Bortles are very fortunate IMO. Whoever gets the snaps is going to have an opportunity to play meaningful ball for an offensive staff that really sets them up to look good.