Media on Stafford

[JYB]

I can't stand that a lot of the media is saying the same old story about Stafford. He can play if he just avoids the "boneheaded mistakes." He just needs to play a clean game... Etc. The rams passing game struggled for a few weeks mid season and the offense turned it over too much. This included some bad pick sixes. other than that stretch, the passing game is on fire. Stafford's play is right in line with other aggressive playmaking QBs that aren't getting the same treatment. Nobody is saying.. if mahomes just plays smart they can win this game.

Stafford this year - 41 tds 19 turnovers. Including playoffs - 47tds and 20 turnovers.

Mahomes - 39 tds 17 turnovers

Josh Allen - 42 tds 18 turnovers.

Brady - 43 tds and 15 turnovers

Burrow including playoffs - 40 tds and 19 turnovers.

I have a suspicion that if/when the Rams win the Superbowl, those who have long invested in the "Stafford can't win the big one" narrative will point to the Tartt drop and say that but for that drop, Stafford wouldn't even be in the SuperBowl. That that throw should've ended the Rams' run in "typical Stafford fashion".

While the Tartt throw WAS a terrible throw, let's remember that Stafford made play after play after play in CRUCIAL moments in an intense game against a very strong defense. And also had a perfectly thrown TD pass dropped. And the week before, while the team was melting around him, in a rabid environment, he snatched victory from Tom Brady, with a defender bearing down on, making one of the most clutch plays in playoff history.

But that won't matter to his detractors -- many of them are just WAY too invested in their Stafford narrative to turn back now.

 

[Ballhawk]

IMHO, Casual fans and sports writers do not understand that some Int's are not the fault of the QB. The Rams throw a lot of timing patterns so if the receiver doesn't get to the spot, for whatever reason, it can result in an INT. The GSOT had a lot of these, it's just part of the offense when things don't go as planned.
Another contributing factor is having receivers being new to the offense and missing their spot! I'm sure that was at least part of the problem back in November.
Also, to think that a QB that repeatedly demonstrates minute of angle accuracy over and over suddenly can't hit the side of a barn is foolish and short sighted!

 

[99Balloons]

The sports pundits are picking the Bengals to win it all despite Vegas favoring the Rams by 3.5 points.

Regardless, it’s a team sport and the trigger man is Matthew Stafford. But everybody has to protect the football and play with no penalties. Execution must be precise and fast.

With that said, Matthew Stafford is being matched up with Burrow and leads the team to victory.

And the outcome is that this is SoFi and the Rams house, the Super Bowl victors are the Rams because it’s something that AD mentioned, the Super Bowl means everything to him and his teammates. “Bow up, Bow up”.

Rams win 38-24.

 

[Kupped]

Stafford has been fantastic AND still throws some really bad balls.. or at least one really bad ball, every game.
He had the pass go right through the defenders hands in the end zone against Tampa.. and he got lucky against the 9ers.

BUT

He also got unlucky against the 9ers with the first int.. a Kupp drop and the Skow drop... and the Rams could've had three ints on Jimmy G.

Burrow has ice and is getting hyped for good reasons.. QBs who get sacked 9 times should not end up winning games... but I think there's a good chance that luck runs out against the Rams. Stafford and the offense should be able to roll.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

IMHO, Casual fans and sports writers do not understand that some Int's are not the fault of the QB. The Rams throw a lot of timing patterns so if the receiver doesn't get to the spot, for whatever reason, it can result in an INT. The GSOT had a lot of these, it's just part of the offense when things don't go as planned.
Another contributing factor is having receivers being new to the offense and missing their spot! I'm sure that was at least part of the problem back in November.
Also, to think that a QB that repeatedly demonstrates minute of angle accuracy over and over suddenly can't hit the side of a barn is foolish and short sighted!

Beckham was new and not on the same page with Stafford and Woods was gone.

Mistakes gonna happen. Imagine if there was no training camp

 

[payote75]

except what the stats dont show is how bad those turnovers are. not only were alot of staffords picks really bad but there was 4(i think?) pick 6s. Not to mention the games you can basically look at and say the rams lost cuz of his turnovers. plus the media talked all year about how mahomes turnovers was the chiefs biggest issue and showed up in their playoff loss. its a pretty fair media story imo.

Accept Stafford was learning a whole new system a whole new culture all the pressures that come with winning and having tools and most importantly throwing all this out and keeping it simple even chemistry development with his targets then just as he is getting a grip one of his main targets goes down in Bobby Trees and the whole familiarity must restart again with Obj and a totally different type of wide out than woods. So yes he had those turnovers but come one Brady is up for MVP he had how many picks? So it's ok to take the narrative I wish they would be fair and take same narratives with others. That's the main point. With Stafford it's a broken record. How many picks did Burrow have and turnovers in general? They are blowing up the Bengals when I'm essence how many touchdowns do the Bengals have on 3 playoff games 5??? That's hardly even discussed.

Course we all concerned about turnovers but let's not the media get away with Stafford being a turnover machine when others right there with him and his circumstances were a lot different.

 

[Dodgersrf]

If you look into the turnovers you also would see a number of intercepts that were thrown on 3rd and long and basically were like 40-50 yard punts. Those throws in my opinion are very smart. Why not take a chance throwing a bomb on a 3rd and 10-20 yards? Best case we have a huge play. Worst case they give it to them like a punt. The odds of converting on 3rd and long are so low. We saw this a lot this year from Stafford/McVay and I don’t think it was a mistake.

In many cases, I would agree with you.

The problem with some of Staffirds picks, was that we had guys open underneath for 1st downs.

One thing I am 100% sure of?
Stafford is a fun QB to watch. He always has me on the edge of my seat.

 

[Kupped]

Accept Stafford was learning a whole new system a whole new culture all the pressures that come with winning and having tools and most importantly throwing all this out and keeping it simple even chemistry development with his targets then just as he is getting a grip one of his main targets goes down in Bobby Trees and the whole familiarity must restart again with Obj and a totally different type of wide out than woods. So yes he had those turnovers but come one Brady is up for MVP he had how many picks? So it's ok to take the narrative I wish they would be fair and take same narratives with others. That's the main point. With Stafford it's a broken record. How many picks did Burrow have and turnovers in general? They are blowing up the Bengals when I'm essence how many touchdowns do the Bengals have on 3 playoff games 5??? That's hardly even discussed.

Course we all concerned about turnovers but let's not the media get away with Stafford being a turnover machine when others right there with him and his circumstances were a lot different.

It's not a "narrative" to say that Stafford has a pretty established track record of a slightly higher number of ints than other QBs at his talent level.. and is the active leader in pick-6s in the NFL.

I think the "he can't win" narrative has been shown to be some serious bullshit. He blew that the fuck up.

But, yeah, he turns the ball over.

The factors many point to for causing ints happen to other QBs as well.

 

[Dodgersrf]

He puts up an INT ball every game it seems. But we don't get here without him. Not this year. That was a pretty grueling playoff lineup of teams he led us through.

So the most important element in this game is keeping him centered. Keeping him within the scheme and dishing that shit. The threat is Cincy flooding the secondary, and the answer is the run game. Establish it early and stay with it on enough early downs to balance things and this game should be ours.

I have a lot of respect for the Bengals btw. They're a hell of a team. But if the Rams balance their offense I like our chances.

This.
If we can control the ball and wear down their D, we will be golden.

As far as our D?
I think we will be able to get to Burrow early and often.

I think Morris Defence is suited perfectly, for the big plays the Bengals will be needing to beat us.

 

[Kupped]

This.
If we can control the ball and wear down their D, we will be golden.

As far as our D?
I think we will be able to get to Burrow early and often.

I think Morris Defence is suited perfectly, for the big plays the Bengals will be needing to beat us.

Burrow threw his share of ints this year.. let's hope he throws a couple up for grabs under pressure. He had 3 less ints than Stafford.. but the same amount of fumbles.

 

[payote75]

It's not a "narrative" to say that Stafford has a pretty established track record of a slightly higher number of ints than other QBs at his talent level.. and is the active leader in pick-6s in the NFL.

I think the "he can't win" narrative has been shown to be some serious bullshit. He blew that the fuck up.

But, yeah, he turns the ball over.

The factors many point to for causing ints happen to other QBs as well.

You can break narratives and other than Aaron Rodgers turnovers in general also just like the loser narrative a lot of those ints were forced because of being on a crap team and probably developed a mentality of "fuck it" we aren't that good unless I make it happen. That's another reason actually why he had to shake that mentality as well. All I'm saying is some narratives can be changed and I'm tired of the media riding the same narrative over and over. It's like a dog with a bone not without!!! Most of those did come as most of us pointed out during "hero bowl" I don't disagree with it but they embellish it for Stafford and leave stuff out to creat the story. That's my issue. I hope we wipe the streets with them then would let's see what is said. It's a lose lose for Stafford because of the Rams win well they should have cause they all in with all that talent. If they lose then Stafford blew it and did same as Goff. They constantly bring up Tampa game and how Rams allowed Bucs back in but somehow steer it to Stafford being a part of that or a culprit. Give me a break media he didn't turn it over he actually unleased calm cool collective on them but no Tampa blew the coverage blah blah blah

 

[GoodBadUgly]

Doesn't matter what his actual performance is, the pundits will spin it to support their narrative.

Imagine Stafford going 39/40, throwing dimes all over the field, but a few of the drives stall in the red zone leaving him with one or two TDs. Imagine his one incompletion being tipped off of Higbee's hands and returned for a TD.

Win or lose, the entire story will be about his propensity to throw pick sixes.

 

[Picked4td]

Yes,

He's had some bad INT's, nobody argues it. But he also just had one of this best statistcal seasons he's ever had. He's got us in the SB
and that same guy rallied us from 10 down in the championship game against a really good D.

So no matter what he's done wrong, he's done WAY more right. I'll go to battle with Matthew any day.
My money says in a week he leads us to our 2nd ring.

i mean clearly some argues it cuz thats why this thread was made....Im not trying to hate on stafford or anything, im just being realistic and answering the question. the reason the media keeps mention him having to not make "boneheaded mistakes" is because hes done it often this year and lost the team games because of it. its a legitimate argument to make

Accept Stafford was learning a whole new system a whole new culture all the pressures that come with winning and having tools and most importantly throwing all this out and keeping it simple even chemistry development with his targets then just as he is getting a grip one of his main targets goes down in Bobby Trees and the whole familiarity must restart again with Obj and a totally different type of wide out than woods. So yes he had those turnovers but come one Brady is up for MVP he had how many picks? So it's ok to take the narrative I wish they would be fair and take same narratives with others. That's the main point. With Stafford it's a broken record. How many picks did Burrow have and turnovers in general? They are blowing up the Bengals when I'm essence how many touchdowns do the Bengals have on 3 playoff games 5??? That's hardly even discussed.

Course we all concerned about turnovers but let's not the media get away with Stafford being a turnover machine when others right there with him and his circumstances were a lot different.

again i dont think its about him being turnover prone or makes a high amount of turnovers, its more about how he had really bad really crucial turnovers that lost the team games. pretty sure the media also talked endlessly about mahomes turnover issue throughout the year. there was like a 2 or 3 game stretch the chiefs never punted and still lost some games because of turnovers. costing your team wins because of bad turnovers is going to get talked about for any qb, its not something new and exclusive to stafford. I feel we can agree here that if he has a performance like he did vs the niners the first time they played where he had 2 early pick 6s, we probably arent gonna win the sb

 

[Kupped]

You can break narratives and other than Aaron Rodgers turnovers in general also just like the loser narrative a lot of those ints were forced because of being on a crap team and probably developed a mentality of "fuck it" we aren't that good unless I make it happen. That's another reason actually why he had to shake that mentality as well. All I'm saying is some narratives can be changed and I'm tired of the media riding the same narrative over and over. It's like a dog with a bone not without!!! Most of those did come as most of us pointed out during "hero bowl" I don't disagree with it but they embellish it for Stafford and leave stuff out to creat the story. That's my issue. I hope we wipe the streets with them then would let's see what is said. It's a lose lose for Stafford because of the Rams win well they should have cause they all in with all that talent. If they lose then Stafford blew it and did same as Goff. They constantly bring up Tampa game and how Rams allowed Bucs back in but somehow steer it to Stafford being a part of that or a culprit. Give me a break media he didn't turn it over he actually unleased calm cool collective on them but no Tampa blew the coverage blah blah blah

I'll be honest.. I avoid all "hot take" media like the fucking plague. Wait.. that analogy doesn't work anymore.. I avoid all "hot take" media like telemarketers? Work in progress.

But.. you're selling a narrative as well. That Stafford's ints are the product of his previous surroundings and coaching.

Stafford has turned the ball over at a slightly higher rate than other QBs in his tier.. and he's thrown a bunch of pick 6s.. those are just real things.

But, he's also been ridiculously good at times and ABSOLUTELY was a difference maker against Tampa and SF.
Glad we have him!

 

[Kupped]

i mean clearly some argues it cuz thats why this thread was made....Im not trying to hate on stafford or anything, im just being realistic and answering the question. the reason the media keeps mention him having to not make "boneheaded mistakes" is because hes done it often this year and lost the team games because of it. its a legitimate argument to make

again i dont think its about him being turnover prone or makes a high amount of turnovers, its more about how he had really bad really crucial turnovers that lost the team games. pretty sure the media also talked endlessly about mahomes turnover issue throughout the year. there was like a 2 or 3 game stretch the chiefs never punted and still lost some games because of turnovers. costing your team wins because of bad turnovers is going to get talked about for any qb, its not something new and exclusive to stafford. I feel we can agree here that if he has a performance like he did vs the niners the first time they played where he had 2 early pick 6s, we probably arent gonna win the sb

People who only focus on the turnover "narrative" because of the coverage it got are ignoring the incredible hype before the losing streak.

 

[payote75]

i mean clearly some argues it cuz thats why this thread was made....Im not trying to hate on stafford or anything, im just being realistic and answering the question. the reason the media keeps mention him having to not make "boneheaded mistakes" is because hes done it often this year and lost the team games because of it. its a legitimate argument to make

again i dont think its about him being turnover prone or makes a high amount of turnovers, its more about how he had really bad really crucial turnovers that lost the team games. pretty sure the media also talked endlessly about mahomes turnover issue throughout the year. there was like a 2 or 3 game stretch the chiefs never punted and still lost some games because of turnovers. costing your team wins because of bad turnovers is going to get talked about for any qb, its not something new and exclusive to stafford. I feel we can agree here that if he has a performance like he did vs the niners the first time they played where he had 2 early pick 6s, we probably arent gonna win the sb

No I got ya dude but I also gave some very legitimate reasons for possibly some of those turnovers. How do retired NFL pundits or even supposed experts not realize well

1. new offense
2. used to having it all on his back or lose
3. Chemistry with team and new receivers
4. When he begins said chemistry major piece goes down major piece gets added so chemistry all over again.

Not making excuses by no means he does at times make dumb decisions but it's like with Stafford that's all it's about with Burrow or Brady or whomever they want to cheer for or glorify it's whatever they want it to be. When they say this stuff about Stafford why not put up stats for burrow or Brady this year. It's just a story. Like Aaron Rodgers won one but as great as he is on regular season what will the narrative be from here on out they will still kiss is ass. There isn't a narrative there??? To me there is a huge one there but let's see if he traded of it will get covered. Yes he one a big game and a Chip but how many opportunities? If Stafford secures one on first shot well guess he just that lucky rt media???? I totally get your points they are not without merit but more the media that pisses me off.

 

[payote75]

People who only focus on the turnover "narrative" because of the coverage it got are ignoring the incredible hype before the losing streak.

No he has got it all season with no regard to circumstances. Even at his best it was but do you trust him? Will he shed loser ways? Hasn't won a playoff game? Can he win a playoff game. With each game the Rams win it's like they dig their heels on deeper so they can say we told you so when he loses but then should he win and have last laugh then they will kind of back pedal but credit the organization and chips all in etc. But when Rodgers wins one or Wilson it's they are amazing hall of famers and did it all. I understand some of the skepticism and some is warranted but man are they rabid.

 

[payote75]

I'll be honest.. I avoid all "hot take" media like the fucking plague. Wait.. that analogy doesn't work anymore.. I avoid all "hot take" media like telemarketers? Work in progress.

But.. you're selling a narrative as well. That Stafford's ints are the product of his previous surroundings and coaching.

Stafford has turned the ball over at a slightly higher rate than other QBs in his tier.. and he's thrown a bunch of pick 6s.. those are just real things.

But, he's also been ridiculously good at times and ABSOLUTELY was a difference maker against Tampa and SF.
Glad we have him!

Agreed but I'm not creating anything I'm not in the media I listed other reasons other than Detroit. Legit reason but they hardly if at all get mentioned. Waiting for Stafford to fail is not even a hot take it's a jump on the wagon hope and prey for it to conclude our narrative (media)
A hot take would be spitting out some truths like new offense meshing then a top receiver goes down a top receiver added with different skill set ....etc. Not to mention he did have to shed loser hero ways and learn to trust his team that it's not on him alone anymore. Wouldn't that make for a better take ....nobody wants to discuss that only the obvious. How many picks turnovers did Brady and Burrow have? Let's leave that out media.
How many td passes burrow have this post season? Ma let's talk burrows swag diamonds and Cartier glasses lol

Indeed bro go Rams let's end all these takes!!!

 

[BuffaloRam]

9 out of fifteen BSPN people are picking Cinncy.

Good - most of them are wrong. They just want a new QB story to replace Tom Brady and it kills then that KC lost!

 

[Kupped]

Agreed but I'm not creating anything I'm not in the media I listed other reasons other than Detroit. Legit reason but they hardly if at all get mentioned. Waiting for Stafford to fail is not even a hot take it's a jump on the wagon hope and prey for it to conclude our narrative (media)
A hot take would be spitting out some truths like new offense meshing then a top receiver goes down a top receiver added with different skill set ....etc. Not to mention he did have to shed loser hero ways and learn to trust his team that it's not on him alone anymore. Wouldn't that make for a better take ....nobody wants to discuss that only the obvious. How many picks turnovers did Brady and Burrow have? Let's leave that out media.
How many td passes burrow have this post season? Ma let's talk burrows swag diamonds and Cartier glasses lol

Indeed bro go Rams let's end all these takes!!!

Sorry, but watching Stafford this year has not erased the idea that he throws a good number of really bad passes. Again, he did not get punished for two of those in consecutive playoff weekends.
If the Tartt drop doesn't illustrate this, then I guess we're just at loggerheads.

We can make excuses for those passes.. or we can just accept that they're part of the package.