McVay Week 8 Post Game Presser

[badnews]

That's fair. However, a QB needs to take responsibility after a game like that. HE is the leader of this offense and captain of this team. That is exactly what Goff did. He put it on himself and looked like he wanted to run through walls all the way back to LA.

However!! 5 years into his career and I still think we are seeing things that should have been ironed out in year 3 or so. I love the kid and have always been a Goff homer, but there was a piece of me that wanted to see Wolford for a series or two yesterday...if only to let Goff cool down and look at more film on the sideline. It just seemed that we were giving up back breaking plays every time our offense was out there. It was uncanny. I was legit scared to watch out offense play yesterday, lol.

Oh I agree thats what he should do and thats exactly what he did.
Goff from year 1 to year 2 proved that he is coachable and willing to put in the work. Hes smart, he's devoted and he has the tools. Hes demonstrated everything that needs to be seen. His inconsistencies seem to show up whenever their are simultaneously other broken elements of our offensive execution or gamelan.

 

[Angry Ram]

The worst part is, he really should have had 3 more, 1 returned for another pick six. The DBs dropped them.

This was his worst game in the McVay era, no doubt in my mind...

Nah, Ravens last year was.

Personally I think everyone needs to relax about Sean McVay and Jared Goff a bit. It's fine to hold them accountable for yesterday as needed, but I don't think it's fair to suddenly questioning their overall coaching, game planning, and playing ability after a loss.

I still can't get over the odds of 2 long fumble returns and a PR TD all occurring basically back to back.

 

[thirteen28]

Personally I think everyone needs to relax about Sean McVay and Jared Goff a bit. It's fine to hold them accountable for yesterday as needed, but I don't think it's fair to suddenly questioning their overall coaching, game planning, and playing ability after a loss.

We certainly shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Both McVay and Goff have shown they can be extremely good at times and at minimum, good enough a majority of the time. But we want them to learn from these mistakes. I'm more focused on McVay because this is the second time he's been bested by Brian Flores and it really bothers me that he didn't see this coming and stubbornly stuck with what clearly wasn't working. Same as in the Super Bowl.

 

[badnews]

We certainly shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Both McVay and Goff have shown they can be extremely good at times and at minimum, good enough a majority of the time. But we want them to learn from these mistakes. I'm more focused on McVay because this is the second time he's been bested by Brian Flores and it really bothers me that he didn't see this coming and stubbornly stuck with what clearly wasn't working. Same as in the Super Bowl.

Yep and that's what kinda made me chuckle about McVsys defensive answer to the reporter about the Superbowl... sure they didn't do the same thing Sean, but YOU did.

 

[Ellard80]

Nah, Ravens last year was.

Personally I think everyone needs to relax about Sean McVay and Jared Goff a bit. It's fine to hold them accountable for yesterday as needed, but I don't think it's fair to suddenly questioning their overall coaching, game planning, and playing ability after a loss.

I still can't get over the odds of 2 long fumble returns and a PR TD all occurring basically back to back.

The criticism of mcvay is the worst in my mind.... this guy came in and took over a team that had been a loser and at times horrible with no offense (over 30pp in his first year) to in the super bowl in year 2.

Now we are 5-3 but mcvay doesn't know what he is doing. I mean we need to do better for sure, but it's just crazy if you put it in perspective.

 

[wolfdogg]

I believe on The first pic, he didn't see the DL drop into coverage, on the other Pic he was hit as he threw. No Quarterback is going to be looking to see if he is going to get hit, and then just take the sack. They are looking at their receivers, like they are supposed to be. The O Line was Terrible yesterday, dealing with the pressure fronts. Yes, Goff could have done some things better, but the OL was very, very bad.

All things aside both those picks were bad decisions and bad throws.

His momentum is going backwards on he first one and while his view of the reciever is bkocked by the defender he throws it where he thinks the receiver is. Unfortunately he throws it right to a nearly standing dlineman who only had to take a step to meet the ball.

The 2nd int was similar in that he threw off balance blindly or mostly blindly to where he thought Everett would be.

Everett was standing flat footed waiting for the ball and the pass was nowhere near him.

If youre going to throw it up like that throw it to the sideline where Everett is the only one with a chance and if he doesnt get it at least the ball goes out of bounds. Clock stops. Its 3 rd and nine and most importantly we still have the ball on Miami's 27 yard line.

Bottom line is he had no business making those throws.

 

[thirteen28]

The criticism of mcvay is the worst in my mind.... this guy came in and took over a team that had been a loser and at times horrible with no offense (over 30pp in his first year) to in the super bowl in year 2.

Now we are 5-3 but mcvay doesn't know what he is doing. I mean we need to do better for sure, but it's just crazy if you put it in perspective.

Nice strawman, but I never said he didn't know what he was doing, and have never disputed the facts you laid out in the quote above. My criticism of McVay in this thread has been focused on what happened yesterday. He shit the bed against the Dolphins, and he did it against the same guy who, as a DC, schooled him in the Super Bowl two years ago. For that, he absolutely deserves some criticism. He's a good coach, a very good coach. But he's not above criticism when he screws up.

 

[kurtfaulk]

If youre going to throw it up like that throw it to the sideline where Everett is the only one with a chance and if he doesnt get it at least the ball goes out of bounds.

thank you j vilma.

we have no idea where he was placing the ball, his arm was hit as he was throwing it.

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[Angry Ram]

We certainly shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Both McVay and Goff have shown they can be extremely good at times and at minimum, good enough a majority of the time. But we want them to learn from these mistakes. I'm more focused on McVay because this is the second time he's been bested by Brian Flores and it really bothers me that he didn't see this coming and stubbornly stuck with what clearly wasn't working. Same as in the Super Bowl.

Everything that went wrong, did. It wasn't a "typical" loss. They were in a 21-7 hole, then 28-7 after the second fumble. Thankfully they tried to make it somewhat of a game.

Also, and I don't think this has been talked about, but 5 of the Rams drives were inside the 20 yard line, and only the first drive on the Robert Woods sweep that started within Miami territory. Just last week everyone was lauding Johnny Hekker for pinning the Bears inside over and over. Not so much fun when it happens to us, is it? So you're asking a team to consistently go up and down the field 80-90 yards against a good NFL defense multiple times? Not happening, man. Can't run each play either because there's a chance you get stuffed, and with passing you always run the risk of negative plays when you're pinned down there. Then you punt and the opponent gets great FP. It's like this vortex you can't get out of. Starting even at the 30 or 35 just once I bet would've helped.

I don't think Brian Flores bested him, per se...it's just the worst result of TOs happened (i.e., long returns). Typically a fumble is just down at the spot of recovery, maybe gain 10 or 20 yards. Scoop and scores are rare but it happened twice yesterday. So yeah...moving on.

 

[wolfdogg]

Nah, Ravens last year was.

Personally I think everyone needs to relax about Sean McVay and Jared Goff a bit. It's fine to hold them accountable for yesterday as needed, but I don't think it's fair to suddenly questioning their overall coaching, game planning, and playing ability after a loss.

I still can't get over the odds of 2 long fumble returns and a PR TD all occurring basically back to back.

Yeah I was watching the game on my phone at work and when I looked down and saw the 2 nd return I thought it was a replay of the first one. Then I noticed the score. Then I yelled wtf.

 

[Ellard80]

Nice strawman, but I never said he didn't know what he was doing, and have never disputed the facts you laid out in the quote above. My criticism of McVay in this thread has been focused on what happened yesterday. He shit the bed against the Dolphins, and he did it against the same guy who, as a DC, schooled him in the Super Bowl two years ago. For that, he absolutely deserves some criticism. He's a good coach, a very good coach. But he's not above criticism when he screws up.

"shit the bed" but you aren't saying he doesn't know what he is doing. semantics and more semantics

 

[thirteen28]

"shit the bed" but you aren't saying he doesn't know what he is doing. semantics and more semantics

No. Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said he didn't know what he was doing. I said he did a shitty job of playcalling yesterday.

 

[thirteen28]

"shit the bed" but you aren't saying he doesn't know what he is doing. semantics and more semantics

THIS is what I'm criticizing:

There's no reason the Rams should've thrown it 61 times vs. Miami

The Rams were running the ball well, but Sean McVay refused to stick with the ground game in Miami.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Read the whole thing, but here are two choice excerpts that get to the gist of it. McVay can and MUST do better.

Coming into Sunday’s matchup, the Dolphins ranked 30th in yards per carry allowed. They were giving up 5.0 yards per rush attempt, getting gashed regularly on the ground. The strength of Miami’s defense is in the secondary where Byron Jones and Xavien Howard comprise arguably the best cornerback tandem in the NFL, both ranking in the top 11 in completion percentage allowed.

Add in the fact that the Dolphins blitz the fifth-most in the NFL, and all signs pointed to this game being a ground-and-pound effort by the Rams. But again, McVay had other plans.

It’s easy to say, “But the Rams were down by 21 points in the first half.” Well, it was the passing game that dug them that hole, with Goff committing four turnovers on plays where he was under pressure almost immediately.

And it’s not as if the Rams weren’t having success on the ground. Henderson was averaging 5.9 yards per carry before getting injured. Malcolm Brown had 40 yards on 10 attempts, and Cam Akers looked good on his nine carries for 35 yards.

What made matters worse was how quickly McVay abandoned the run after it seemed to get going. Henderson opened the game with back-to-back carries of 4 yards. After that, McVay called three straight passes, all of which fell incomplete.

On the third drive, Henderson gained 18 yards on the first play. He didn’t touch the ball again on that possession. Brown took over and had a 6-yard run on first down, but McVay once again called two straight passing plays that both fell incomplete and ended the drive.

There were only four instances where the Rams ran the ball on back-to-back plays. And each of those times, Henderson or Akers kept the offense ahead of the sticks with runs of at least 4 yards every time.

 

[thirteen28]

besides that you posted some writer that said he gives up on the run too much commonly... so it wasn't just yesterday.

I'm not puting words in your mouth - you just want it both ways.

So basically, you don't have an argument unless you can mischaracterize my points.

Noted.

 

[Ellard80]

So basically, you don't have an argument unless you can mischaracterize my points.

Noted.

oh nevermind that's another article you posted saying mcvay is a bad play caller... but not calling him a bad play caller.

I stopped reading it as soon as it mentioned the total amount of pass attempts.

we can just agree to disagree...

 

[badnews]

The criticism of mcvay is the worst in my mind.... this guy came in and took over a team that had been a loser and at times horrible with no offense (over 30pp in his first year) to in the super bowl in year 2.

Now we are 5-3 but mcvay doesn't know what he is doing. I mean we need to do better for sure, but it's just crazy if you put it in perspective.

Im just critical of McVays performance in this game in particular, as well as Goff.
But make no mistake, McVay is the man and Goff is my guy.

 

[Rams77]

One thing that bothers me is all the batted balls. Goff needs to utilize pump fakes. He senses pressure when there is none there sometimes and hurries his throws. All the great QBs have/had great pump fakes

 

[Mojo Ram]

Here's a very illuminating Twitter thread from Jourdan Rodrigue. She's talking to Michael Brockers, but what they are talking about is what their defense was doing to our offense. Click on the tweet below and read the whole thread

Draw plays.

[pats self on the back]

 

[CanadaRam]

McVay blew this one. He has to keep his ego in check. Rams led 7-0 against a first time starting QB. Run it down ther throat and let your excellent D stop the rookie.
Before the Rams turned the ball over the first time, I was thinking as long as the Rams don't blow it, the game is in the bag.
Rams (McVay) should have made the game about the rookie QB against the Rams D. Instead, the Rams got sucked into a game of Rams O against an aggressive D.
Wrong approach to the game. Avoid turnovers, Rams win. As simple as that.