McVay post game presser

[fearsomefour]

That was crazy! That was like Airport Security missing a guy with grenades strapped to the outside of his jacket.

That was strange.
McVay was in Blythes ear when the O came off the field.
Maybe made the wrong call at the line or that was his gap?

 

[OnceARam]

McVay sounded frustrated in his presser, which is odd considering we won...

It's almost like he wanted to say, we played not to lose because we knew the Giants couldn't beat us straight up.

The NFC East is a joke, plan and simple.

We got out of our regular offense that has tones of pre-snap movement and such.

We became over-reliant on a back that should only be getting 5 touches a game. (We desperately need Akers to figure it out.)

It was almost like we were playing a JV team and were working on coaching up our "average NFL starters" instead of feeding the ball to our "above average NFL starters".

It's like this game was backfilling for a lack of having a pre-season.

Can't really complain tho. I feel like McVay is playing chess out there.

I just hope he doesn't fall into the Shanny trap of out-thinking himself.

There's no trophy for "smartest man on the sideline".

 

[payote75]

thats interesting ....Goff in college i think only threw just a few redzone int's....maybe they did not let him throw there either....he has always had very low redzone int's......but i guess if u never attempt any....

I agree.....I would almost say mcvay is compensating cause he knows the line won't hold up but this isn't a new thing we have done the same in the red zone over his tenure. And I'm not sure how Goff can take that next step or be in that upper tier if the training wheels don't come off.....and as I mentioned repeatedly in all threads that last drive 3 and out not only was play not to lose as opposed to play to win bit that's where great quarterbacks are made that's how you get your name out in the same breath as the upper tier.

Instead Goff is in that limbo world where he is considered average at best but never will be great and that label won't go away til something changes.

Great quarterbacks are clutch more often than not. Goff seems to never really even be given the opportunity. Rarely if any.

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

For me the biggest thing I notice is the decrease of explosive plays from McVays first year up till now.

It’s almost as though we are running the offenses of the Patriots and Broncos when they had Brady and Manning in their 40s. The problem is Goff isn’t 40-he’s 26 and entering his prime. It’s almost as though McVay is so worried about turnovers/sacks that he’s limiting the big play opportunities from his playbook.

This is especially noticeable in the red zone as I have never seen a team call more screens down there vs taking shots in the end zone. Until I see some shots in the end zone-particularly some corner routes than I’ll come across feeling like McVay doesn’t have as much faith in Goff as I thought. I mean, we get down there and the vertical passing game basically disappears.

As far as big plays, I think it's a result of the tape that's out their of McVay's schemes and DCs adjusting to it. Teams didn't know what to expect and there were more opportunities to throw over the top. Teams started playing more Cover 4 and 6 DL fronts, forcing us to throw the ball more underneath and abandon the outside zone.

Additionally, even though our line has improved this year, the OL may have been better the first two years, and we're missing the speed of Watkins and Cooks.

 

[lordbannon]

Part of me wonders if he was keeping stuff close to the vest. Basically going vanilla on purpose as he expected a simple game plan would be enough to win this game.....which it was..... Barely. Maybe also why we didn't use Hendo much? Ugly win is still a W.

It seemed that way to me as well. After the first drive, the amount of presnap and at-snap motion was minimal, and the play action mostly disappeared. I dont have any counts to back this up, it just seemed to me that everything was just a straight drop back and pass, or a run from a predictable set.

 

[Classic Rams]

Not blaming Goff at all. He'll probably have another high PFF grade.

My big question is how could all those weapons be covered on that many pass plays? Some here said predictability, which I can agree with. The Giants D did their homework. And adjustments... I'm thinking the Kupp TD was one but before that there didn't seem to be any.

I will say this, going deep a few more times makes the D respect the long ball and that clears up more inside. They were killing the screens and short quick passes regularly.

 

[badnews]

Great quarterbacks are clutch more often than not. Goff seems to never really even be given the opportunity. Rarely if any.

I'm not saying I disagree, but last week he lead a super impressive comeback by playing like a fucking Rockstar to score a bunch with the game on the line. McVay didn't forget the run, which was smart, but Goff was driving that car and did it himself.
He has proven in multiple games throughout his career that he can be great. The vikings, the Monday Night Magic against KC and against Buffalo last week.

The only reason for Goffs reputation is the ignorance of the average non Rams fan and the early narrative about him being a bust. Nobody who really evaluates talent believes Goff isn't good enough to be the guy for our team. He's a proven franchise QB and at 26 is just getting better every year.

There are 5 things that Goff can't control that has lead to this silly narrative:
1 - Jeff Fisher/hard knocks
2 - Carson Wentz first 2 seasons
3 - Todd Gurley being the best redzone back in recent history and
4 - lack of 4th qtr comebacks due to usually being in the lead to begin with.
5 - that stupid shit about McVay talking in Goffs headset

People are easily influenced by group think and even some loyal rams fans start to buy into it because they read too much from other fans and hear it repeated in water cooler talks with co-workers.

I bought a new Goff jersey last season and some dude at the sports bar asked why I didn't get a Donald jersey with a kind of smart ass laugh. I told him I wear #16 "because everyone knows Donald is the best player in the league... but Jared Goff is the muthafuckin man."
And so he is.

 

[Angry Ram]

Other teams don't have the nastiest run blocking Oline in the NFL either. The Rams do.

Doesn't matter, still tough to do. Opponent defenders play too. I think a lot of people, myself included, are assuming easy TDs inside at the goal line. Everyone knows what's coming, tight spaces. Difficult.

 

[iamme33]

Part of me wonders if he was keeping stuff close to the vest. Basically going vanilla on purpose as he expected a simple game plan would be enough to win this game.....which it was..... Barely. Maybe also why we didn't use Hendo much? Ugly win is still a W.

i wonder if hendo saying he could hardly get out of bed on monday after the last game is part of the reason he didn't get many carries in this game.

 

[payote75]

I'm not saying I disagree, but last week he lead a super impressive comeback by playing like a fucking Rockstar to score a bunch with the game on the line. McVay didn't forget the run, which was smart, but Goff was driving that car and did it himself.
He has proven in multiple games throughout his career that he can be great. The vikings, the Monday Night Magic against KC and against Buffalo last week.

The only reason for Goffs reputation is the ignorance of the average non Rams fan and the early narrative about him being a bust. Nobody who really evaluates talent believes Goff isn't good enough to be the guy for our team. He's a proven franchise QB and at 26 is just getting better every year.

There are 5 things that Goff can't control that has lead to this silly narrative:
1 - Jeff Fisher/hard knocks
2 - Carson Wentz first 2 seasons
3 - Todd Gurley being the best redzone back in recent history and
4 - lack of 4th qtr comebacks due to usually being in the lead to begin with.
5 - that stupid shit about McVay talking in Goffs headset

People are easily influenced by group think and even some loyal rams fans start to buy into it because they read too much from other fans and hear it repeated in water cooler talks with co-workers.

I bought a new Goff jersey last season and some dude at the sports bar asked why I didn't get a Donald jersey with a kind of smart ass laugh. I told him I wear #16 "because everyone knows Donald is the best player in the league... but Jared Goff is the muthafuckin man."
And so he is.

We are of similar thinking my focus though isn't as much as the media as mcvays faith in him.

It's a lot different being down 28-3 yes it was great and I loved how goff did it...his perseverance etc. However when your down like that there isn't a lot of pressure at that point so he will get the accolades but the "rams offense" as a whole will more so.

And Goff has shown the ability to handle it in crucial times but when he does take the team on his shoulders like last week anyone that does maybe jump on that wagon that we as fans tend to already be on jumps right off when they think boy genius is playing it conservative because he doesn't believe Goff is capable enough or clutch.

Also how I know that game wasnt on Goff besides maybe a few early ck downs is I actually and probably more we as fans literisaw the kid going through all his progressions and it was slim pickens so that's on Mcvay but sadly it doesn't do Goff any good.

If Goff is shitty I'd call him out but I wrote a long reply yesterday how none of that yesterday was on Goff. Mcvay played not to lose especially on that last drive. That was brutal.
Your points are excellent and I think we are on the same page if we combine everything lol. There are so many intracacies to it but I love both Goff and mcvay but we escaped yesterday and last week let's not forget that 53 yd field goal on the first drive. Mcvay and Goffs learning curve is over. And at some point the student should be allowed to surpass the teacher.

 

[iamme33]

Agreed. In watching us in the red zone I can’t remember the last time I saw a pass play called to the corner of the end zone. Maybe it’s me but I honestly can’t recall Goff using the corners of the end zone in the red zone.

yeah if we threw those fades to the deep corners of the end zone and made the df cover the hole end zone it would not only give us another chance for a td it would open more stuff over the middle also.

 

[fearsomefour]

Not blaming Goff at all. He'll probably have another high PFF grade.

My big question is how could all those weapons be covered on that many pass plays? Some here said predictability, which I can agree with. The Giants D did their homework. And adjustments... I'm thinking the Kupp TD was one but before that there didn't seem to be any.

I will say this, going deep a few more times makes the D respect the long ball and that clears up more inside. They were killing the screens and short quick passes regularly.

Hard to say without an all 22 views.
There were plays where there were open receivers and he checked down.
Nearly everything was short.
Before the long pass to Kupp Goff was at 4.5 yards per attempt, which is terrible.
One thing we know is when Goff gets confused he slows way down in going through his progressions and holds the ball. This means he is often late to his check down.
Don’t know what the issue is and all QBs miss seeing wide open receivers every week.
Next week will be very interesting.
Playing a very good D front on the road.
Was the O performance against the Giants a roadbump or the canary in the coal mine?

 

[fearsomefour]

i wonder if hendo saying he could hardly get out of bed on monday after last game is part of the reason he didn't get many carries in this game.

Brown got 9 carries, Henderson 8 carries.
Henderson averaged 2.8 yards per carry.
Brown 4.1.
Neither was great, Henderson was not effective on Sunday.
The bigger issue was McVay falling into old habits and going away from the run.
Either the Giants D determined his play calling or he ditched the run, which he has not done this season.

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

I just watched the presser and it sounded like any other presser to me.

 

[Jacobarch]

Maybe you guys are reading too much into this? Sometimes offenses just have off days. It happens.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

Maybe you guys are reading too much into this? Sometimes offenses just have off days. It happens.

Not to mention that sometimes defenses have on-days. It happens. Giants played very well defensively. They are in a crap division and were in the hunt even at 0-3. In fact, they're still in the hunt at 0-4!

 

[Merlin]

I do think at times Goff goes out there and his mindset is to just be careful, take what the defense gives, and punt if necessary. You can usually see it in his body language too IMO. Good example is the TD drive late in this game. Before they got that first down he had that "careful" look. But as soon as they got that first down he looked different, more in charge and ready to rock that defense.

It might also have to do with McVay in his ear. Goff's the kind of QB who actually listens to his coach. And funny as it might sound there's some great QBs that notoriously didn't want to do that. So maybe some of it is McVay's attitude rubbing off on him. Early in that drive for example before the first down maybe McVay is saying "let's just be careful here." Then after that first down Goff may have picked up on that energy.

 

[Ramlock]

Brown got 9 carries, Henderson 8 carries.
Henderson averaged 2.8 yards per carry.
Brown 4.1.
Neither was great, Henderson was not effective on Sunday.
The bigger issue was McVay falling into old habits and going away from the run.
Either the Giants D determined his play calling or he ditched the run, which he has not done this season.

Brown is the top option as pass protector

 

[Ramlock]

Hard to say without an all 22 views.
There were plays where there were open receivers and he checked down.
Nearly everything was short.
Before the long pass to Kupp Goff was at 4.5 yards per attempt, which is terrible.
One thing we know is when Goff gets confused he slows way down in going through his progressions and holds the ball. This means he is often late to his check down.
Don’t know what the issue is and all QBs miss seeing wide open receivers every week.
Next week will be very interesting.
Playing a very good D front on the road.
Was the O performance against the Giants a roadbump or the canary in the coal mine?

Road bump

Worst Oline performance of the season...run game and pass protection

They threw the same route that Kupp scored on earlier in the game...bounced off Kupp's fingers and would have been a 20+ yard gain.