McVay on The Herd

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WestCoastRam said:
I think any QB who has a chance to be a top 15 starter in the NFL in the future's floor should be quite a bit higher than not beating out a third string QB in his first camp.

I don't think I'm missing anything. I think I'm seeing beyond my fandom and using clear eyes.
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You are also missing the fact that your expectations might not align with team’s.
 
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WestCoastRam said:
Well I'd like to keep on topic here but I don't think it makes any difference to some people on this board if I said that "A top 32 pick should be an obvious upgrade over a career third stringer. Full stop."

I'm not entirely sure why people seem okay with Simpson not beating Bennett out for the 2nd string QB job by the end of camp when I think it's safe to say that's the assumption of McSnead.* Perhaps it's cause McVay said that Simpson will be competing with Bennett for the 2 spot in camp... which blows my mind that some can't discern coachspeak from real speak. Sure he'll be "competing" but for Ty to not start taking 2nd team reps by the 1st preseason game would be a travesty and honestly, if he's not taking 1st team reps (since Stafford will sit parts of camp) before it, that's not that great either as he should be the number 2 this season.

*When McVay was asked if they would look to bring Jimmy back now that they drafted Ty he said something to the point of 'that ship has most likely sailed."

You're not saying that because Bennett is suddenly already elevated. He's a guy - had we not drafted Ty - who we would have looked to bring in someone above him for the QB 2 job. We did not have the confidence for him to be QB 2 and that's why we were talking about bringing in another vet if Jimmy left.

The expectation is that Ty will be QB 2. And if he's not by start of season - end of camp, whatever - there's a tremendous chance we've wasted prominent draft capital. I'm not saying Ty is a finished product either just that his FLOOR should absolutely be higher than winning the number 2 QB job from a third string QB in camp.

Mind you - and I can't believe this needs to be said but here we are on a message board - I believe Ty will be QB 2 in camp within the first few weeks.
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In the end Simpson will probably be elevated simply due to his draft position / investment unless Bennett is light's out better.

But anyway there's QB development and TEAM development.

Bennett's experience in and knowledge of the offense shouldn't be ignored and is probably vital when it comes to the development of the team during offseason work. Simpson may be more talented, but the QB has to know the plays and where to go with the ball. And Bennett with 3 years of experience in the offense may initially be a better option for a TEAM ready to win now. ie. a team ready to go shouldn't have to start from scratch waiting for Simpson to get up to speed.

BTW if Simpson wasn't drafted, the team bringing in a veteran doesn't necessarily mean a lack of confidence in Bennett. It could just logically mean the best alternatives would be a veteran over any other rookie they had a much lower rating on.
 
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Memphis Ram said:
In the end Simpson will probably be elevated simply due to his draft position / investment unless Bennett is light's out better.

But anyway there's QB development and TEAM development.

Bennett's experience in and knowledge of the offense shouldn't be ignored and is probably vital when it comes to the development of the team during offseason work. Simpson may be more talented, but the QB has to know the plays and where to go with the ball. And Bennett with 3 years of experience in the offense may initially be a better option for a TEAM ready to win now. ie. a team ready to go shouldn't have to start from scratch waiting for Simpson to get up to speed.

BTW if Simpson wasn't drafted, the team bringing in a veteran doesn't necessarily mean a lack of confidence in Bennett. It could just logically mean the best alternatives would be a veteran over any other rookie they had a much lower rating on.
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Simpson has the playbook now. Simpson will be working the offense in OTAs. There is an NFL offseason before we even GET TO CAMP.

Simpson with what he's supposed to provide in terms of processing ability and athletic ability (stronger arm and better movement skills) should be the better option by the end of camp than Bennett.

We're talking about a 3rd string QB who spends most of his time running scout team and NOT EVEN RUNNING OUR OFFENSE. Scout team is when you run opposing team's offenses!

He only runs our offense in OTAs and camp. Come on guys!

NFL offenses can be hard to pick up but for a guy of what we believe to be Simpson's caliber, he should have it down enough that he supersedes Bennet by the end of camp and if he doesn't it bodes ill for his and the Rams future.

Note: I do disagree that Simpson will be elevated due to draft position by Rams, I don't see this organization doing anything but being methodical with him and if need be sitting him behind Bennett but I think they'll be pretty unhappy to do it.
 
Coliseum Ram said:
So blinded by his hatred for Simpson that this simple fact gets past him, LOLOLOLOL
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Blinded by my hatred? I think that you're on Simpson's nuts so much that you can't see I'm just simply commenting on a hypothetical situation. I'm laughing at how it gets you that I didn't include Simpson in an imaginary trade. By the way I don't hate the guy, that's just stupid.
 
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WestCoastRam said:
Simpson has the playbook now. Simpson will be working the offense in OTAs. There is an NFL offseason before we even GET TO CAMP.

Simpson with what he's supposed to provide in terms of processing ability and athletic ability (stronger arm and better movement skills) should be the better option by the end of camp than Bennett.

We're talking about a 3rd string QB who spends most of his time running scout team and NOT EVEN RUNNING OUR OFFENSE. Scout team is when you run opposing team's offenses!

He only runs our offense in OTAs and camp. Come on guys!

NFL offenses can be hard to pick up but for a guy of what we believe to be Simpson's caliber, he should have it down enough that he supersedes Bennet by the end of camp and if he doesn't it bodes ill for his and the Rams future.

Note: I do disagree that Simpson will be elevated due to draft position by Rams, I don't see this organization doing anything but being methodical with him and if need be sitting him behind Bennett but I think they'll be pretty unhappy to do it.
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Again, he's bigger and probably more talented than Bennett. But let's not automatically discount Bennett's chances. Was he deemed good enough to be the future? No. But, how many 5'11" 190 lbs. QBs get that opportunity?

Though he may have been running the scout team during the season, Bennett has had the playbook(s), been in the QB room, and will still be working with the offense(s) in OTAs through for his 4th NFL offseason before we even get to this upcoming (and his 4th) training camp. How is that not advantage?

And again, Simpson's initial learning on the job might affect the training of the others on offense of a team ready to go now. These guys have to be able to communicate McVay's long winded play calls, master the QB cadence (instead of just clapping their hands for the snap), possibly assist in line calls, etc.

Sorry, but while I was very early on the Ty Simpson bandwagon, I'm not going to totally disregard Bennett who has shown steady improvement in the last 3 preseasons. And it's possible that could continue this year if given the opportunity.
 
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El Chapo Jr said:
There's always someone that'll say no lol...... Honestly I wouldn't know who that is but just simply commenting on the subject so chill hahahaha
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That person might be me giving his Burrow's contract, injury history, and the probable compensation that will be needed to obtain him. It might prove to be difficult to quickly build a contender around him.

In fact that could partially be the reason why most of the high priced QBs have been watching the Super Bowl every year.
 
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Memphis Ram said:
In the end Simpson will probably be elevated simply due to his draft position / investment unless Bennett is light's out better.

But anyway there's QB development and TEAM development.

Bennett's experience in and knowledge of the offense shouldn't be ignored and is probably vital when it comes to the development of the team during offseason work. Simpson may be more talented, but the QB has to know the plays and where to go with the ball. And Bennett with 3 years of experience in the offense may initially be a better option for a TEAM ready to win now. ie. a team ready to go shouldn't have to start from scratch waiting for Simpson to get up to speed.

BTW if Simpson wasn't drafted, the team bringing in a veteran doesn't necessarily mean a lack of confidence in Bennett. It could just logically mean the best alternatives would be a veteran over any other rookie they had a much lower rating on.
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I really don't think this dynamic is in play. Maybe if the Rams aren't a team that is SB ready. Maybe if the team somehow has no shot at the playoffs, Stafford out for the season, then maybe at some point, to get him live experience they would elevate Simpson over Bennett. Unless of course Bennett totally sucks, then all this convo is moot.
 
Memphis Ram said:
That person might be me giving his Burrow's contract, injury history, and the probable compensation that will be needed to obtain him. It might prove to be difficult to quickly build a contender around him.

In fact that could partially be the reason why most of the high priced QBs have been watching the Super Bowl every year.
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Yet I was questioned about that part hahahaha...... there's nothing wrong with having a different view on that but when someone says theres no one, well there always is, I honestly just don't usually know who it is. I get the contract part which is obviously the con part vs the pro of having a QB under a rookie contract. This is what makes team building so fascinating.
 
WestCoastRam said:
What do you think his chances are to be the QB 2 at the start of the season?
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Well I’d say at least for the FIRST Preaseason game !! Stetson Knows

The Rams Offense pretty well.They’ll give him every chance to keep the Number 2 spot.

Was listening to Kevin DEMOFF the Day(Thursday)of the Draft. He talked about The Rams,but also there theory on Drafting Players & this New NIL player.

My comment got lost - SO

They’ll let Stetson loss the job. Then again Ty Simpson can take it from him ? Don’t think it will happen until at least The first Preseason Game.

Taking there time might be BEST.What happens to Bennett next season is a whole different story.
 
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Memphis Ram said:
Again, he's bigger and probably more talented than Bennett. But let's not automatically discount Bennett's chances. Was he deemed good enough to be the future? No. But, how many 5'11" 190 lbs. QBs get that opportunity?

Though he may have been running the scout team during the season, Bennett has had the playbook(s), been in the QB room, and will still be working with the offense(s) in OTAs through for his 4th NFL offseason before we even get to this upcoming (and his 4th) training camp. How is that not advantage?

And again, Simpson's initial learning on the job might affect the training of the others on offense of a team ready to go now. These guys have to be able to communicate McVay's long winded play calls, master the QB cadence (instead of just clapping their hands for the snap), possibly assist in line calls, etc.

Sorry, but while I was very early on the Ty Simpson bandwagon, I'm not going to totally disregard Bennett who has shown steady improvement in the last 3 preseasons. And it's possible that could continue this year if given the opportunity.
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Totally Agree - I was not a Ty Simpson FAN from the start.I’m not a BIG Rookie QB guy either for that reason.

This is a perfect spot for Ty Simpson to have the time earn (learn) his spot.

Didn’t watch QB’s this year & thought Jimmy G was going to be resigned. There was a rumor he was going to retire before The Draft ! I’m not sure & rumors are like AZZ-Wholes. Every has one.

That said - The Rams Drafting him means a lot.Not giving anything up to get a QB is impressive.

Watched - Gruden,Warner,and other break downs of him.They all looked his overall game & how advanced he is.
 
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majrleaged said:
I really don't think this dynamic is in play. Maybe if the Rams aren't a team that is SB ready. Maybe if the team somehow has no shot at the playoffs, Stafford out for the season, then maybe at some point, to get him live experience they would elevate Simpson over Bennett. Unless of course Bennett totally sucks, then all this convo is moot.
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While I always hope and contend that rostered players should get a fair shot and not immediately discarded, I still think rookie draft choices get preferential treatment. Plus, I don't know if there is a lean of going back to two rostered QBs with one of the practice squad.
 
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Memphis Ram said:
In the end Simpson will probably be elevated simply due to his draft position / investment unless Bennett is light's out better.
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Certainly true. Draft position speaks to the value the team put on the player, it matters for the depth chart.

There is probably a level of play where Bennett could win that backup role, so it's not likely but the addition of Simpson puts a ton of heat on him in particular. Because if he doesn't win that job, then they'll likely cut him and stick him on the PS to get that extra roster spot.
 
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