McVay on The Herd

[Gandalf]

One of the bloggers floated that Simpson would be packaged down the road with other assets for Burrough when he demands out of Cincy. Interesting theory particularly if Simpson shows anything when he gets a chance to play.

Hopefully he shows enough that we aren't even thinking about trading for anyone else.

 

[TheTackle]

Thanks for posting this - I was actually watching the show, but nappy-time sort of kept me from seeing the segment.

I thought you were young but not that young! I hope you didn’t forget to thank your parent cause that stuff must itch

 

[Coliseum Ram]

One of the bloggers floated that Simpson would be packaged down the road with other assets for Burrough when he demands out of Cincy. Interesting theory particularly if Simpson shows anything when he gets a chance to play.

I said that in prior thread as well.

If the cost for Burrow WAS three 1's, now it simply becomes two 1's and Simpson. Which could actually be MORE attractive to Cincy or other teams.

 

[den-the-coach]

If they acknowledged they had met with him it didn't mean they thought he had "superior football IQ to be an upper echelon signal caller". It would just mean they met with him. All this talk about McVay playing chess vs the checkers the rest of the league is playing is overblown. The Rams got paranoid and didn't want STAFFORD to know. This wasn't about the other teams. No one was going to trade up to 12 or under to take Simpson. No way. We all know it'll take 2-3 years until we know if this was a wise move or not. So let's put the brakes on the Svengali thing for McVay.

IDK last year it was reported the Rams had interest in Dart and met with Dart & that is why the Giants traded up before the Rams picked to take Dart.

 

[RamFan58years]

The Rams didn't want Stafford to know? They reportedly told him before the draft even started so how does that make sense?

They "reportedly" told him before the draft? All we've heard is they told Stafford the day of the draft what their intentions were.

 

[RamFan58years]

If anyone knew the Rams were high on Simpson, I guarantee that would have raised his stock big-time. Yes, absolutely, the Jets or Cardinals could have taken the consensus #2 QB somewhere in the top 12.

Rams were smart to keep their interest in Simpson a secret.

You guarantee it? So what I'm hearing from you is that if McVay publicly blesses a college player then the rest of the league will just capitulate to his knowledge and intuition and then try and do whatever is necessary to jump the Rams - despite whatever their own studies show. And the cost for teams like the Jets or Cards to have moved up to before 13 - what might that have been? Their #2 and next year's #1? At a minimum? Nah, no way. And if a player was actually chosen by the Rams - e.g. Bennett - then I would assume these same slobbering teams would try and acquire him as well. After all, McVay chose him and kept him in the org for years. I respect McVay and the whole organization, but their choices are not infallible (Bruss, Allen Robinson, TuTu, etc). As a fan, I hope like hell they are right with Simpson, as it gets them a leg up on teams striving for a QB next year.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

You guarantee it? So what I'm hearing from you is that if McVay publicly blesses a college player then the rest of the league will just capitulate to his knowledge and intuition and then try and do whatever is necessary to jump the Rams - despite whatever their own studies show. And the cost for teams like the Jets or Cards to have moved up to before 13 - what might that have been? Their #2 and next year's #1? At a minimum? Nah, no way. And if a player was actually chosen by the Rams - e.g. Bennett - then I would assume these same slobbering teams would try and acquire him as well. After all, McVay chose him and kept him in the org for years. I respect McVay and the whole organization, but their choices are not infallible (Bruss, Allen Robinson, TuTu, etc). As a fan, I hope like hell they are right with Simpson, as it gets them a leg up on teams striving for a QB next year.

I agree with most of this, except for the Bennett (4th Rounder) Simpson (1st Rounder) comparison. Not equivalent.

 

[fearsomefour]

To be fair, at least Lafleur and the Cardinals knew exactly what McVay thought of Simpson

Lafleur busy preparing to go 0-6 in division for his tenure in Arizona.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

That’s a great question. If Simpson shows some skills with more room for improvement, I don’t think we’re sending over 2 1sts.

Specifically, Ty is still on a rookie contract. ACL and MCl tears and an expensive contract for Burr. No guarantee a Super Bowl chip comes with Burrow.

Right. At the time Burrow comes out available (if it happens) McVay/Snead could very well say "pass."

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Yeah I gotta admit that is a valid point.

I wonder whether LaFleur told other teams about the Rams interest in Simpson? That would be sneaky....

Well, once he takes Love at 3, if he has inside knowledge of Rams like of Simpson he's gotta leapfrog ahead of us at 13. Didnt have the ammo coming from 34 to do that or maybe even want to. If he really wanted Simpson he should have flipped picks with us, and probably picked up a 2027 1st while he was at it.

 

[majrleaged]

If they acknowledged they had met with him it didn't mean they thought he had "superior football IQ to be an upper echelon signal caller". It would just mean they met with him. All this talk about McVay playing chess vs the checkers the rest of the league is playing is overblown. The Rams got paranoid and didn't want STAFFORD to know. This wasn't about the other teams. No one was going to trade up to 12 or under to take Simpson. No way. We all know it'll take 2-3 years until we know if this was a wise move or not. So let's put the brakes on the Svengali thing for McVay.

The Rams have looked at QBs in every draft. Standard operating procedure. Stafford finding out they are looking at Simpson probably wouldn't have surprised him. The Rams wouldn't care about him knowing either. What they didn't want to do to Stafford is make the pick without having a conversation. He wasn't the reason for secrecy.

 

[majrleaged]

Well, once he takes Love at 3, if he has inside knowledge of Rams like of Simpson he's gotta leapfrog ahead of us at 13. Didnt have the ammo coming from 34 to do that or maybe even want to. If he really wanted Simpson he should have flipped picks with us, and probably picked up a 2027 1st while he was at it.

Probably hoping the rams would trade back so they could jump them. Hence, staying at 13.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Probably hoping the rams would trade back so they could jump them. Hence, staying at 13.

Yes probably so. He didnt think we had the "cojones" to take him at 13.

 

[Mackeyser]

If they acknowledged they had met with him it didn't mean they thought he had "superior football IQ to be an upper echelon signal caller". It would just mean they met with him. All this talk about McVay playing chess vs the checkers the rest of the league is playing is overblown. The Rams got paranoid and didn't want STAFFORD to know. This wasn't about the other teams. No one was going to trade up to 12 or under to take Simpson. No way. We all know it'll take 2-3 years until we know if this was a wise move or not. So let's put the brakes on the Svengali thing for McVay.

You criticize one opinion take and then have an equally opinionated take.

We don’t know anything about how Stafford feels about this nor that that the reason for the secrecy was Stafford’s now apparently fragile ego. He’s not Rodgers.

Also, reports were the Rams were trying to trade down and couldn’t. No details on range and compensation, but they couldn’t trade down without a partner and they wanted him bad enough to take him at 13.

And of course, no draft pick has been a certainty since AD