I don't ever want to see Bennet take a snap in any regular season or playoff game unless we are up four touchdowns with 2 mins left in the 4th quarter.
McShay Mocks Us Ty Simpson At 13
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I'm not that high on Ty Simpson. He's praised for his impeccable lower body mechanics, but during the combine he put a lot of air under the ball in his throws. I guess that is easily correctable with gym work and instruction but I wasn't that impressed with his ball placement either. I'm sure McVay would be able to improve him and he could be a solid quarterback who's similar to Sam Darnold but more stable and consistent but lacking in natural ability compared to Darnold. But I'm getting tired of these selections of Stetson Bennett and Sean Mannion, whom I disliked. I also didn't like the drafting of center Brian Allen either despite wanting the team to address the center, left tackle and offensive line in general.
Both Mannion and Allen were apparently drafted for their IQ since they have recently gone on into coaching. Bennett was selected for his competitiveness and heart. I'm guessing Simpson will likely be better than Bennett and Mannion, but he should be. I just don't find him sexy as a QB prospect like I did with let's say Mark Willits when he was drafted.
Since whomever the Rams draft will have to hold a clipboard behind Stafford and whomever vet backup (Bennett?), why not swing for the fence for someone? I was a bigger fan of Garrett Nussmeier last year obviously, but I still find him appealing as a development project albeit one with less upside than say Drew Allar. Speaking of Allar, I'm actually hoping the Rams select him with their late third-round pick.
Allar has the physical build and tools including arm strength to be a prototypical quarterback and he's shown good accuracy in the past despite lacking footwork. His IQ is questionable but I'm uncertain as to how bad it is. There are things Snead, McVay & Co. need to determine in interviews, background checks and obviously watching tape. With all things considered equal, I would love to take a flyer on Allar assuming his head and heart (competitiveness) checks out with McVay grooming him for a couple of years or three.
Both Mannion and Allen were apparently drafted for their IQ since they have recently gone on into coaching. Bennett was selected for his competitiveness and heart. I'm guessing Simpson will likely be better than Bennett and Mannion, but he should be. I just don't find him sexy as a QB prospect like I did with let's say Mark Willits when he was drafted.
Since whomever the Rams draft will have to hold a clipboard behind Stafford and whomever vet backup (Bennett?), why not swing for the fence for someone? I was a bigger fan of Garrett Nussmeier last year obviously, but I still find him appealing as a development project albeit one with less upside than say Drew Allar. Speaking of Allar, I'm actually hoping the Rams select him with their late third-round pick.
Allar has the physical build and tools including arm strength to be a prototypical quarterback and he's shown good accuracy in the past despite lacking footwork. His IQ is questionable but I'm uncertain as to how bad it is. There are things Snead, McVay & Co. need to determine in interviews, background checks and obviously watching tape. With all things considered equal, I would love to take a flyer on Allar assuming his head and heart (competitiveness) checks out with McVay grooming him for a couple of years or three.
I'm not a Simpson fan, but our third spent on Allar? That would piss me off more than Simpson at #13. His mechanics and accuracy are so shit that I don't think you can fix him, and while he may be a third-round talent, he's so lacking in the necessary things needed for a QB to succeed in the NFL that spending one of our only three high picks is a waste and simply asking for trouble.
Honestly, I'd rather not spend for a quarterback in this class. We have too few picks and too many needs (OL, WR - and I'd double down on receiver if it were me, CB depth, maybe a NT, a LB for teams) to justify a luxury pick when Bennett is entering the final year of his contract (and if Stafford goes down for any length of time, we're screwed anyway), and 2027 will be absolutely loaded with QBs, so I'm assuming we spend a pick for a quarterback in that class.
With the other team with no timeouts and their 1st and 2cd QBs in the blue tent.
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Ex-QB Chase Daniel, joins Dan Orlovsky and Todd McShay in loving Ty Simpson. What a throw...
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Not aimed at you CR but I'm pretty sure any one of us could find a few perfect passes by even some of the least accurate QBs in the draft.
Obviously, if we take him, I want him to be that stud McShay thinks he is. But I just don't see him as a QB that can be that #1 guy to lead your team at by far the most important position.
Wow, they found the only good throw that Simpson made last season. I am sure that took some digging.
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Yes, obviously comes down to who Sean wants at Quarterback to lead the 3rd Chapter of his Coaching career (Goff, Stafford) if he chooses to uniterruptedly stay on with the Rams upon Stafford's impending retirement.
My posting is simply food for thought, though i must say I do hold the opinion of Quarterback play of McShay and Orlovsky in high regard.
I think the ideal spot for him would be SF. He'd overachieve his ass off in that offense and do like he did in college by leading them to big games where they'll lose.
If we take him I'll get behind it of course. And I have to admit it would make preseason exciting. But I could say the same about Payton midrounds or several other options and we wouldn't need to use a high pick to make it happen.
Yeah - I get it. And the two might be some of the better ones out there. I agree. It just seems that even the best of the "draft gurus" out there are wrong far more than they are right. Cheers.
I like Dan Orlovsky as he is a good friend of Matthew Stafford and has had great insights into his play and what he was up against in Detroit. However, he loses me right off bat by saying "If Ty Simpson was 6'4." Well, he's not and "If Ty Simpson had 23 starts." Well, he didn't.
Good Lord, if there was not an iceberg, the Titanic would not have sunk.
Dan "Overhype" Orlovsky ladies and gentlemen.
If Simpson was 6'4" he'd be in the discussion for the top of the draft. But he's not 6'4". Also even if he was there are legit reasons he'd still end up as QB2 in this draft just in terms of his play in the big games thereafter.
In Simpson you have a dude where we're talking about a six game or so stretch in his entire fucking collegiate career. Think about that one for a moment. The rest of his career the dude was warming the bench. Oh but look how amazing those six games were. Let's not go further, though, and consider how his game imploded vs tougher competition in the bigger games.
And again what I'm taking exception with here is the hype. Because I don't hate him by any means but holy fuck man. Just stop. The fact the kid is being sold as a top half of round 1 QB is more than enough pomp and ceremony. This draft cannot get here soon enough.
If Simpson was 6'4" he'd be in the discussion for the top of the draft. But he's not 6'4". Also even if he was there are legit reasons he'd still end up as QB2 in this draft just in terms of his play in the big games thereafter.
In Simpson you have a dude where we're talking about a six game or so stretch in his entire fucking collegiate career. Think about that one for a moment. The rest of his career the dude was warming the bench. Oh but look how amazing those six games were. Let's not go further, though, and consider how his game imploded vs tougher competition in the bigger games.
And again what I'm taking exception with here is the hype. Because I don't hate him by any means but holy fuck man. Just stop. The fact the kid is being sold as a top half of round 1 QB is more than enough pomp and ceremony. This draft cannot get here soon enough.
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Bo Nix and Brock Purdy are 6'1" and are both Coached by Top Offensive Coaches who know just how to deploy them, much like ours. Question for the board: if we KNEW (hypothetically of course) that Ty Simpson was destined to be the equivalent of Nix/Purdy (Reminds me personally more of Nix) is he worthy of our 13th pick? Even while sitting for at least a year?
I do think Corum is a starter in this league. He would have been drafted higher if not for the injury. The other two might not even make the roster on other teams. They’re system fits, which is why they contribute IMO
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His game imploded, partially due to a non-existent running game and horrendous Offensive line they say. These pundits look past that stuff and take all things into account.
Anyways, with many here dead-set against the thought of taking Simpson at 13, if Rams actually did, would they go off on McVay on what a horrendous move that is or would they quickly PIVOT and see the logic to it. I wonder.........???
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I don't think they look past very much. I think it's all hype and nonsense. A team may take a flyer on Simpson in round 1, but teams aren't all hyped up on too many cups of coffee and rewatched highlight vids like the media personalities. They go into that knowing the risk they're taking with that draft pick, because when those picks don't work out they often pay with their jobs.
There are some good dudes doing draft analysis I think. Orlovsky is just not one of them. He's a QB who knows the game, but to be objective with the draft and speak to it you have to look at all the options in said draft thoroughly instead of just nuking one dude or a few of them and even then just their highlights or biggest moments. You gotta build a board with whatever system you are using so you have a consistent feel for how the different prospects stack against each other. And so on. These dudes don't do that. They're like fans moreso in that they have their favorites and put up highlights of them and sell them. They just happen to be on a network.
I don't build a board. So I'm always willing to admit I could be way off on where dudes slot. But I did look at most of the QBs in this draft, as much as I could find the film on them, and I think it's noteworthy that some of them were dealing with a lot more bullshit than Simpson. Guys who had no run game, no protections, no defense. And they paid by sliding down the boards. As they should. Simpson for reason of how good that six game stretch looked has mostly avoided sliding down the boards. I think it's ridiculous he's cited that high, but all it takes is one team to say fuck it we're gonna reach for this QB and pray.