McShay Mocks Us Ty Simpson At 13

[Merlin]

Orlovsky's problem is he just wants to be the smartest dude in the room. Taking a counter opinion then hope Simpson hits and he can act like he knew it was coming.

Mendoza's power is in his consistency. It's in the way he's improved every year. It's in his grasp of the offense and prep and that shit's gonna work in the NFL. And then on top of all that he's big, sees the field well, can run, he's tough, etc.

Simpson could certainly hit. But from a prospect perspective I think it's absurd to say he outplayed Mendoza. Mendoza delivered snap in and snap out, game in and game out, and didn't shit his pants in the big games.

 

[jjab360]

Orlovsky's problem is he just wants to be the smartest dude in the room. Taking a counter opinion then hope Simpson hits and he can act like he knew it was coming.

Mendoza's power is in his consistency. It's in the way he's improved every year. It's in his grasp of the offense and prep and that shit's gonna work in the NFL. And then on top of all that he's big, sees the field well, can run, he's tough, etc.

Simpson could certainly hit. But from a prospect perspective I think it's absurd to say he outplayed Mendoza. Mendoza delivered snap in and snap out, game in and game out, and didn't shit his pants in the big games.

I... have changed my opinion on Simpson a bit. After the rumors, I watched basically all of his snaps and compared it to other top QB prospects and I'll say this. I see the hype and where Dan O is coming from. The arm strength is good enough, he hits all of the necessary throws you'd need to see as a talent evaluator with enough velocity. The accuracy is good, I'd say very good with how he layers the ball in between defenders, over the middle of the field, and throws with anticipation. For a QB who has only started one year but has been developing for a long time, I'll say he's a very advanced passer at this point in his career. He also navigates the pocket far beyond what you would expect of a college QB and has some mobility to extend plays and improvise outside of the gameplan.

From what I understand the massive late season downswing was due to a litany of injuries he decided to play through. In addition his supporting cast was certainly not what you would expect from traditional Alabama teams but this is not traditional Alabama under Saban. His receivers nearly led college football in drops with 30, and certainly had the worst hands among draftable QBs. Mendoza's for example had 6. He was also constantly under pressure, his OL was underwhelming to say the least.

I've changed my thinking a bit in that we'll never be able to perfectly replace Stafford because he was a true generational prospect and arm talent who has only refined and elevated himself over the past couple decades into a MVP caliber QB. However we do have to start looking at some point because retirement is almost certainly coming in the next couple years. If we feel like Simpson is the guy to start learning and developing behind Stafford i.e. Rodgers behind Favre, I would understand where the FO is coming from.

If the Rams take Simpson at 13 I will not be breaking my laptop like I did when we took Jason Smith no.2 overall in 2009. This is what we traded for that future first for after all, it makes some sense to follow through by buying low on a guy who would likely be a top draft pick next year had he stayed in college.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I... have changed my opinion on Simpson a bit. After the rumors, I watched basically all of his snaps and compared it to other top QB prospects and I'll say this. I see the hype and where Dan O is coming from. The arm strength is good enough, he hits all of the necessary throws you'd need to see as a talent evaluator with enough velocity. The accuracy is good, I'd say very good with how he layers the ball in between defenders, over the middle of the field, and throws with anticipation. For a QB who has only started one year but has been developing for a long time, I'll say he's a very advanced passer at this point in his career. He also navigates the pocket far beyond what you would expect of a college QB and has some mobility to extend plays and improvise outside of the gameplan.

From what I understand the massive late season downswing was due to a litany of injuries he decided to play through. In addition his supporting cast was certainly not what you would expect from traditional Alabama teams but this is not traditional Alabama under Saban. His receivers nearly led college football in drops with 30, and certainly had the worst hands among draftable QBs. Mendoza's for example had 6. He was also constantly under pressure, his OL was underwhelming to say the least.

I've changed my thinking a bit in that we'll never be able to perfectly replace Stafford because he was a true generational prospect and arm talent who has only refined and elevated himself over the past couple decades into a MVP caliber QB. However we do have to start looking at some point because retirement is almost certainly coming in the next couple years. If we feel like Simpson is the guy to start learning and developing behind Stafford i.e. Rodgers behind Favre, I would understand where the FO is coming from.

If the Rams take Simpson at 13 I will not be breaking my laptop like I did when we took Jason Smith no.2 overall in 2009. This is what we traded for that future first for after all, it makes some sense to follow through by buying low on a guy who would likely be a top draft pick next year had he stayed in college.

29 yes, 13 no!

 

[jjab360]

29 yes, 13 no!

For the record this is neither what I'm predicting nor what I want to see happening. Tate/Lemon/Tyson at WR, Delane/McCoy at CB. This is chalk at 13, whoever falls. Cooper Jr is the sleeper WR who makes perfect sense as a fit for this team. This is what I'm seeing at 13.

Love/Styles/Downs are the alternative I've seen from some posters but likely won't fall and don't make any sense to me from a positional value/need perspective. OT holds value and we've seen some draftniks go there with prospects I like in Fano/Mauigoa but with McClendon breaking out last year it doesn't make any sense to take a backup OL at 13.

I also don't really see a trade down to make sense without a future first, I think there's a distinct fall off of top end talent almost immediately after 13. A trade down for a future first would likely mean trading with a playoff caliber team, which would likely mean a future late 1st. A trade up with a glut of similarly rated players also doesn't make sense. Stick and pick seems to be the most likely result similar to 2024.

All I'm saying is that if the FO decides that where the board falls considering positional value/need/future projections, Simpson is their guy... I'll be okay with it. And he won't make it to 29.

 

[DzRams]

29 yes, 13 no!

I doubt he last that long. I suspect he goes in the 20 range. If they're convinced he's the guy that needs to be developing behind Stafford do you wait given the importance of the position?

Maybe BPA at 13 and trade up from 29.

 

[duanevalle22]

I... have changed my opinion on Simpson a bit. After the rumors, I watched basically all of his snaps and compared it to other top QB prospects and I'll say this. I see the hype and where Dan O is coming from. The arm strength is good enough, he hits all of the necessary throws you'd need to see as a talent evaluator with enough velocity. The accuracy is good, I'd say very good with how he layers the ball in between defenders, over the middle of the field, and throws with anticipation. For a QB who has only started one year but has been developing for a long time, I'll say he's a very advanced passer at this point in his career. He also navigates the pocket far beyond what you would expect of a college QB and has some mobility to extend plays and improvise outside of the gameplan.

From what I understand the massive late season downswing was due to a litany of injuries he decided to play through. In addition his supporting cast was certainly not what you would expect from traditional Alabama teams but this is not traditional Alabama under Saban. His receivers nearly led college football in drops with 30, and certainly had the worst hands among draftable QBs. Mendoza's for example had 6. He was also constantly under pressure, his OL was underwhelming to say the least.

I've changed my thinking a bit in that we'll never be able to perfectly replace Stafford because he was a true generational prospect and arm talent who has only refined and elevated himself over the past couple decades into a MVP caliber QB. However we do have to start looking at some point because retirement is almost certainly coming in the next couple years. If we feel like Simpson is the guy to start learning and developing behind Stafford i.e. Rodgers behind Favre, I would understand where the FO is coming from.

If the Rams take Simpson at 13 I will not be breaking my laptop like I did when we took Jason Smith no.2 overall in 2009. This is what we traded for that future first for after all, it makes some sense to follow through by buying low on a guy who would likely be a top draft pick next year had he stayed in college.

Good post

IMO

As much as we need Stafford's successor, if we can't figure out a way to obtain the Raiders pick to get Mendoza, then we just load up on more offensive weapons (WR) and better protection for Stafford, and see if we can lock Stafford in for 2-3 more season. Maybe a restructured 3 year $180 mil guaranteed, and pray he stays healthy.

But we still need a backup if Garoppolo bails, (which I think he will).

 

[muggmeister]

Good post

IMO

As much as we need Stafford's successor, if we can't figure out a way to obtain the Raiders pick to get Mendoza, then we just load up on more offensive weapons (WR) and better protection for Stafford, and see if we can lock Stafford in for 2-3 more season. Maybe a restructured 3 year $180 mil guaranteed, and pray he stays healthy.

But we still need a backup if Garoppolo bails, (which I think he will).

Just stop with the Mendoza shit already. It ain't happening.

 

[duanevalle22]

Just stop with the Mendoza shit already. It ain't happening.

Why don't you go find a place and eat a large bowl of fuck

Feels like a psycho ex-girlfriend that just can't stop texting me long after I could give a fuck about how she feels.

Capeesh Miss Muggmeister....

 

[muggmeister]

Why don't you go find a place and eat a large bowl of fuck

Feels like a psycho ex-girlfriend that just can't stop texting me long after I could give a fuck about how she feels.

Capeesh Miss Muggmeister....

Hahahaha, good one. By the way, I comment on your takes, not you individually as a person.

 

[HighDesertRam]

Just to remind folks…
Bennett was decent against the cowboys and was awful in the 1st half against the chargers. In the 2nd half he played better, against guys you’ll never hear from again. He also threw a pick that should have coasted them the game but harbaugh didn’t attempt to run the clock so they got a chance to win.
Dresser Winn looked half decent in the finale

But who was Bennett playing with? Was he running it the 1st team player? No, he wasn't. He was playing with 2nd and 3rd team players. And players who are not on the team anymore.

 

[dieterbrock]

But who was Bennett playing with? Was he running it the 1st team player? No, he wasn't. He was playing with 2nd and 3rd team players. And players who are not on the team anymore.

Lol, what?
So you're saying its a better indicator of performance against the lowest level of competition? Good grief. Bennett was disappointing in that game and got let off the hook by getting a miracle 2nd chance. Was fun to watch, but folks got to be honest about what he is
Alas, it all works itself out

Btw, Bennett DID actually play with starters in that 1st half, Corum, Xavier Smith, Mumpfield etc

 

[WestCoastRam]

I doubt he last that long. I suspect he goes in the 20 range. If they're convinced he's the guy that needs to be developing behind Stafford do you wait given the importance of the position?

Maybe BPA at 13 and trade up from 29.

Agree. And I don't love him enough personally to trade up so think I'm okay missing out on him. I like him just not any higher.

 

[WestCoastRam]

For the record this is neither what I'm predicting nor what I want to see happening. Tate/Lemon/Tyson at WR, Delane/McCoy at CB. This is chalk at 13, whoever falls. Cooper Jr is the sleeper WR who makes perfect sense as a fit for this team. This is what I'm seeing at 13.

Love/Styles/Downs are the alternative I've seen from some posters but likely won't fall and don't make any sense to me from a positional value/need perspective. OT holds value and we've seen some draftniks go there with prospects I like in Fano/Mauigoa but with McClendon breaking out last year it doesn't make any sense to take a backup OL at 13.

I also don't really see a trade down to make sense without a future first, I think there's a distinct fall off of top end talent almost immediately after 13. A trade down for a future first would likely mean trading with a playoff caliber team, which would likely mean a future late 1st. A trade up with a glut of similarly rated players also doesn't make sense. Stick and pick seems to be the most likely result similar to 2024.

All I'm saying is that if the FO decides that where the board falls considering positional value/need/future projections, Simpson is their guy... I'll be okay with it. And he won't make it to 29.

Agree that a trade down probably puts us outside a real bluechip player but the bluechips this year. And given that it's not the greatest year, not sure how likely it is we get many or any teams wanting to trade up.

 

[dieterbrock]

Maybe BPA at 13 and trade up from 29.

That's how I see it too, and I can see him even making it to 29.
The Jets and Browns have enough draft capital to wait until '27 for a big QB play and the Dolphins are just blowing up the cap to be ready to start over. The Steelers are the only team where he seems a fit, but they also can afford to wait until '27 as McCarthy will get a pass on his 1st couple of seasons there

 

[WestCoastRam]

That's how I see it too, and I can see him even making it to 29.
The Jets and Browns have enough draft capital to wait until '27 for a big QB play and the Dolphins are just blowing up the cap to be ready to start over. The Steelers are the only team where he seems a fit, but they also can afford to wait until '27 as McCarthy will get a pass on his 1st couple of seasons there

Steelers seem to be the pivot point.

 

[dieterbrock]

Steelers seem to be the pivot point.

I keep forgetting that the draft is in Pittsburgh this year too, a QB pick is usually popular with the fans

 

[Flatlyner]

I... have changed my opinion on Simpson a bit. After the rumors, I watched basically all of his snaps and compared it to other top QB prospects and I'll say this. I see the hype and where Dan O is coming from. The arm strength is good enough, he hits all of the necessary throws you'd need to see as a talent evaluator with enough velocity. The accuracy is good, I'd say very good with how he layers the ball in between defenders, over the middle of the field, and throws with anticipation. For a QB who has only started one year but has been developing for a long time, I'll say he's a very advanced passer at this point in his career. He also navigates the pocket far beyond what you would expect of a college QB and has some mobility to extend plays and improvise outside of the gameplan.

From what I understand the massive late season downswing was due to a litany of injuries he decided to play through. In addition his supporting cast was certainly not what you would expect from traditional Alabama teams but this is not traditional Alabama under Saban. His receivers nearly led college football in drops with 30, and certainly had the worst hands among draftable QBs. Mendoza's for example had 6. He was also constantly under pressure, his OL was underwhelming to say the least.

I've changed my thinking a bit in that we'll never be able to perfectly replace Stafford because he was a true generational prospect and arm talent who has only refined and elevated himself over the past couple decades into a MVP caliber QB. However we do have to start looking at some point because retirement is almost certainly coming in the next couple years. If we feel like Simpson is the guy to start learning and developing behind Stafford i.e. Rodgers behind Favre, I would understand where the FO is coming from.

If the Rams take Simpson at 13 I will not be breaking my laptop like I did when we took Jason Smith no.2 overall in 2009. This is what we traded for that future first for after all, it makes some sense to follow through by buying low on a guy who would likely be a top draft pick next year had he stayed in college.

Good write up here, thanks! I haven't had a chance to do this, but intend to. I have heard the injury issues for him later in the season may be a reason why his play declined. He certainly did not have a good supporting cast. The WR's and RB's were simply awful. Had he continued to perform as he did in the beginning of the year, he's a Jet. There could be some value in drafting him at 13. This is not to suggest I'd enjoy that, but I'd trust their evaluation and assume they see a star.

 

[Merlin]

I just keep seeing that Bama offense change, in their final game, when the backup QB came in. It was like the entire offense came out of a haze the moment Simpson went out. Almost like the other ten were excited to have a new trigger man in that backfield and they started firing off but it was too late.

DeBoer is a talented designer I think. Very good coach, not quite at that great level yet in the big games. But he puts a lot on his QBs in his offensive build, you don't normally see the kind of balanced and power OL that typified Saban, nor the great defense. So more goes on the QB's shoulders. And that's my way of giving Simpson a compliment in all this, even though I suspect he's got a strong chance to be a backup in the NFL just like the other undersized QBs. Difference is those other undersized QBs will be going midrounds where they should.

 

[dieterbrock]

I just keep seeing that Bama offense change, in their final game, when the backup QB came in. It was like the entire offense came out of a haze the moment Simpson went out. Almost like the other ten were excited to have a new trigger man in that backfield and they started firing off but it was too late.

DeBoer is a talented designer I think. Very good coach, not quite at that great level yet in the big games. But he puts a lot on his QBs in his offensive build, you don't normally see the kind of balanced and power OL that typified Saban, nor the great defense. So more goes on the QB's shoulders. And that's my way of giving Simpson a compliment in all this, even though I suspect he's got a strong chance to be a backup in the NFL just like the other undersized QBs. Difference is those other undersized QBs will be going midrounds where they should.

Not sure if you watched the same game I did but outside of 1 throw Mack was as inept as Simpson and IU was playing soft zone the 2nd half

 

[Merlin]

Not sure if you watched the same game I did but outside of 1 throw Mack was as inept as Simpson and IU was playing soft zone the 2nd half

Well it's not like I watched it with full focus or anything. I recall them moving the ball, the line firing off with some intensity, etc. Prior to Simpson going out with the injury they looked like a dead team walking.