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I know, I know. But , but... :beating:
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Kiper, McShay and Cosell on Tavon Austin

Mar 22 2013

Streeter Lecka

In the most recent edition of the ESPN First Draft podcast, Mel Kiper and Todd McShay took some time, while hypothesizing what the Carolina Panthers might do with the 14th pick of the draft, to slap some pretty fulsome praise on the 5'8" 174lb frame of Tavon Austin. Here are some highlights from their discussion:

Said McShay:


"Tavon Austin is a flat out stud. I know he's small...but man is he a player. I watched him in the pro day. He barely broke a sweat."

Kiper added:


"He's a we and us guy. He's not me and I. He not about flash. He's not about highlight films and worrying about 'hey talk about me' 'look at this great thing I did' 'watch this great move in the open field'. He's serious. He's one of those guys who's got that...game face."

McShay said he had talked to Austin's college coach Dana Holgorsen who had said:


"The best thing about Tavon that nobody really knows is his toughness. I can't tell you how many times he's battled through little aches and pains, a lot of other guys would have taken some time off. In four years of practice...Tavon Austin didn't miss one"

McShay continued on that theme in his own words:


"What you worry about in terms of him being small and holding up and durability, you get that concern eased a little bit when you watch the way he works and you hear guys around him talk about his work ethic and his toughness and his background and what he's been through. The fact that he's coachable."

Kiper finished with this:


"Wherever he's been: high school, college and now the NFL, he has been spectacular. In this day and age of the NFL...he is built for what the NFL is right now."

McShay's words backed up what was a ringing endorsement of the player:


"Outside of his size, it's hard to find holes in this guy's game."

The general man crush on the West Virginia receiver was echoed earlier this week by Greg Cosell, who took to Twitter to say:


"If NFL is passing/space league, why is WVU Austin not top 10 pick. Most explosive playmaker in draft. Can align anywhere. Matchup nightmare"

And, seeming to preempt Rams fans inevitable questions about the wisdom of drafting Austin having just given a pretty hefty contract to Jared Cook, who seems destined to find himself in the slot more often than not, he has this:


"To me Austin is a special playmaker. Not solely a slot WR. That's too limiting + too conventional."

Whatever you feel about the value of Kiper, McShay and/or Cosell's opinions, this is pretty stirring stuff, and certainly something to chew on for Rams fans if Austin is available to them at any point in round one. It is however worth noting that, since 2001, a period in which West Virginia have had, by consensus, one of the top offenses in college football, they have only had two receivers drafted, Chris Henry and Rasheed Marshall in 2005, and neither had particular success in the NFL, although Henry's career was obviously cut short by his premature death in 2009.

During the podcast, McShay took some time to talk about the 2013 wide receiver class in general, and Cordarrelle Patterson in particular:


"My concern is, at least in the first two or three years of his career, we’re going to have to be constantly labouring to find ways to get the ball in this guy’s hands and to simplify things so that he doesn’t get overwhelmed and short circuited trying to digest an entire NFL playbook when he has so little experience at the big time college level, doesn’t really understand running routes and reading coverages and all those little things."

Comparing Patterson to Austin:


"To me Austin is so much more polished and provides so much more in terms of what you can do getting the ball in his hands."

Finally on the wide receivers available in the 2013 draft:


"This receiver class is not exceptional by any stretch, and there’s no Calvin Johnson, there’s no Julio Jones or AJ Green or anyone like that but there’s a lot of good players when you start to get into the middle of the first…all the way through the third round. It’s going to be interesting to see how they all come off the board"

That is certainly good news for the Rams when you consider that they will probably be looking for multiple wide receivers in this draft.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013/3/21/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013/3/21/</a> ... -recievers
 

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bwdenverram said:
I know, I know. But , but... :beating:
I did steal some of this from Ramsfandan on the PD


Kiper, McShay and Cosell on Tavon Austin

Mar 22 2013

Streeter Lecka

In the most recent edition of the ESPN First Draft podcast, Mel Kiper and Todd McShay took some time, while hypothesizing what the Carolina Panthers might do with the 14th pick of the draft, to slap some pretty fulsome praise on the 5'8" 174lb frame of Tavon Austin. Here are some highlights from their discussion:

Said McShay:


"Tavon Austin is a flat out stud. I know he's small...but man is he a player. I watched him in the pro day. He barely broke a sweat."

Kiper added:


"He's a we and us guy. He's not me and I. He not about flash. He's not about highlight films and worrying about 'hey talk about me' 'look at this great thing I did' 'watch this great move in the open field'. He's serious. He's one of those guys who's got that...game face."

McShay said he had talked to Austin's college coach Dana Holgorsen who had said:


"The best thing about Tavon that nobody really knows is his toughness. I can't tell you how many times he's battled through little aches and pains, a lot of other guys would have taken some time off. In four years of practice...Tavon Austin didn't miss one"

McShay continued on that theme in his own words:


"What you worry about in terms of him being small and holding up and durability, you get that concern eased a little bit when you watch the way he works and you hear guys around him talk about his work ethic and his toughness and his background and what he's been through. The fact that he's coachable."

Kiper finished with this:


"Wherever he's been: high school, college and now the NFL, he has been spectacular. In this day and age of the NFL...he is built for what the NFL is right now."

McShay's words backed up what was a ringing endorsement of the player:


"Outside of his size, it's hard to find holes in this guy's game."

The general man crush on the West Virginia receiver was echoed earlier this week by Greg Cosell, who took to Twitter to say:


"If NFL is passing/space league, why is WVU Austin not top 10 pick. Most explosive playmaker in draft. Can align anywhere. Matchup nightmare"

And, seeming to preempt Rams fans inevitable questions about the wisdom of drafting Austin having just given a pretty hefty contract to Jared Cook, who seems destined to find himself in the slot more often than not, he has this:


"To me Austin is a special playmaker. Not solely a slot WR. That's too limiting + too conventional."

Whatever you feel about the value of Kiper, McShay and/or Cosell's opinions, this is pretty stirring stuff, and certainly something to chew on for Rams fans if Austin is available to them at any point in round one. It is however worth noting that, since 2001, a period in which West Virginia have had, by consensus, one of the top offenses in college football, they have only had two receivers drafted, Chris Henry and Rasheed Marshall in 2005, and neither had particular success in the NFL, although Henry's career was obviously cut short by his premature death in 2009.

During the podcast, McShay took some time to talk about the 2013 wide receiver class in general, and Cordarrelle Patterson in particular:


"My concern is, at least in the first two or three years of his career, we’re going to have to be constantly labouring to find ways to get the ball in this guy’s hands and to simplify things so that he doesn’t get overwhelmed and short circuited trying to digest an entire NFL playbook when he has so little experience at the big time college level, doesn’t really understand running routes and reading coverages and all those little things."

Comparing Patterson to Austin:


"To me Austin is so much more polished and provides so much more in terms of what you can do getting the ball in his hands."

Finally on the wide receivers available in the 2013 draft:


"[hil]This receiver class is not exceptional by any stretch, and there’s no Calvin Johnson, there’s no Julio Jones or AJ Green or anyone like that[/hil] but there’s a lot of good players when you start to get into the middle of the first…all the way through the third round. It’s going to be interesting to see how they all come off the board"

That is certainly good news for the Rams when you consider that they will probably be looking for multiple wide receivers in this draft.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013/3/21/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013/3/21/</a> ... -recievers
This is where many of the mocks and expectations are stumbling. If you're going to pick a WR in the top 10, you want him to be a sure thing. None of the top 5 receivers are without question marks.

NFL boards will show us that this receiver class doesn't have a top 10 pick in it. Receivers will fall to us at 16, but will we take one there, or will some other player fall to us that has more value? Mind you, that will be the Rams version of value, which I trust far more than the Need based mocks and expectations here and elsewhere.

Even if I do want the Rams to take Austin.
 

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Nothing like guaranteeing we won't get him. These guys need to shut their pie holes.
 

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No secret I want Austin, but even I wouldn't take him top 10. In a perfect world, Warmack or Cooper at 16 and Austin at 22. Of course we just don't know how it's going to play out. I still firmly believe, regardless of the Long signing, we need to continue to build our OL. The more time Sammy has, the better off we'll be.

As much as I want a safety, I think it's just way to deep a class to take one at these spots. Just my humble opinion.
 

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No secret I want Austin, but even I wouldn't take him top 10. In a perfect world, Warmack or Cooper at 16 and Austin at 22. Of course we just don't know how it's going to play out. I still firmly believe, regardless of the Long signing, we need to continue to build our OL. The more time Sammy has, the better off we'll be.

As much as I want a safety, I think it's just way to deep a class to take one at these spots. Just my humble opinion.

Not sure about Cooper (might be the next Bell) but I agree with the rest.
 

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No secret I want Austin, but even I wouldn't take him top 10. In a perfect world, Warmack or Cooper at 16 and Austin at 22. Of course we just don't know how it's going to play out. I still firmly believe, regardless of the Long signing, we need to continue to build our OL. The more time Sammy has, the better off we'll be.

As much as I want a safety, I think it's just way to deep a class to take one at these spots. Just my humble opinion.

Not sure about Cooper (might be the next Bell) but I agree with the rest.

Hard part is when you look at youtube video, you're seeing most of the "good" clips. I do like what I saw on him.
But you never know, as you suggest. Here's a few highlights. About 1:50 in he's running downfield on a screen. I kinda laughed because he goes about 30 yards without even blocking anyone. Of course he could be worse against NFL caliber players, or he could be better playing next to guys like Long and Wells. Question really is, do you think he is or will be better than Watkins or anyone else on the roster?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxnFNnW0IoM[/youtube]
 

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Question really is, do you think he is or will be better than Watkins or anyone else on the roster?

Not sure that I do. Especially with a first rounder. I am just not convinced he will be able to add pounds and keep them on as the season wears on. I don't like the idea of a 290 lb guard.
 

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Question really is, do you think he is or will be better than Watkins or anyone else on the roster?

Not sure that I do. Especially with a first rounder. I am just not convinced he will be able to add pounds and keep them on as the season wears on. I don't like the idea of a 290 lb guard.

Good point. I'm more a Warmack guy or later rounds. Would prefer a big road grader in the middle.
 

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bwdenverram said:
RamFan503 said:
bwdenverram said:
No secret I want Austin, but even I wouldn't take him top 10. In a perfect world, Warmack or Cooper at 16 and Austin at 22. Of course we just don't know how it's going to play out. I still firmly believe, regardless of the Long signing, we need to continue to build our OL. The more time Sammy has, the better off we'll be.

As much as I want a safety, I think it's just way to deep a class to take one at these spots. Just my humble opinion.

Not sure about Cooper (might be the next Bell) but I agree with the rest.

Hard part is when you look at youtube video, you're seeing most of the "good" clips. I do like what I saw on him.
But you never know, as you suggest. Here's a few highlights. About 1:50 in he's running downfield on a screen. [hil]I kinda laughed because he goes about 30 yards without even blocking anyone.[/hil] Of course he could be worse against NFL caliber players, or he could be better playing next to guys like Long and Wells. Question really is, do you think he is or will be better than Watkins or anyone else on the roster?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxnFNnW0IoM[/youtube]
You see that as a negative, and i see it as a major positive. He ran 30 yards escorting his running back, and he was smart enough to know who he didn't need to block.
 

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bwdenverram said:
RamFan503 said:
bwdenverram said:
No secret I want Austin, but even I wouldn't take him top 10. In a perfect world, Warmack or Cooper at 16 and Austin at 22. Of course we just don't know how it's going to play out. I still firmly believe, regardless of the Long signing, we need to continue to build our OL. The more time Sammy has, the better off we'll be.

As much as I want a safety, I think it's just way to deep a class to take one at these spots. Just my humble opinion.

Not sure about Cooper (might be the next Bell) but I agree with the rest.

Hard part is when you look at youtube video, you're seeing most of the "good" clips. I do like what I saw on him.
But you never know, as you suggest. Here's a few highlights. About 1:50 in he's running downfield on a screen. I kinda laughed because he goes about 30 yards without even blocking anyone. Of course he could be worse against NFL caliber players, or he could be better playing next to guys like Long and Wells. Question really is, do you think he is or will be better than Watkins or anyone else on the roster?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxnFNnW0IoM[/youtube]
holy wow Cooper can block. I wouldn't mind seeing him in the horns if Warmack gets taken
 

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brokeu91 said:
bwdenverram said:
RamFan503 said:
bwdenverram said:
No secret I want Austin, but even I wouldn't take him top 10. In a perfect world, Warmack or Cooper at 16 and Austin at 22. Of course we just don't know how it's going to play out. I still firmly believe, regardless of the Long signing, we need to continue to build our OL. The more time Sammy has, the better off we'll be.

As much as I want a safety, I think it's just way to deep a class to take one at these spots. Just my humble opinion.

Not sure about Cooper (might be the next Bell) but I agree with the rest.

Hard part is when you look at youtube video, you're seeing most of the "good" clips. I do like what I saw on him.
But you never know, as you suggest. Here's a few highlights. About 1:50 in he's running downfield on a screen. I kinda laughed because he goes about 30 yards without even blocking anyone. Of course he could be worse against NFL caliber players, or he could be better playing next to guys like Long and Wells. Question really is, do you think he is or will be better than Watkins or anyone else on the roster?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxnFNnW0IoM[/youtube]
holy wow Cooper can block. I wouldn't mind seeing him in the horns if Warmack gets taken

Completely agree warmack if available but Cooper is not a bad choice either
 

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DR RAM said:
bwdenverram said:
RamFan503 said:
bwdenverram said:
No secret I want Austin, but even I wouldn't take him top 10. In a perfect world, Warmack or Cooper at 16 and Austin at 22. Of course we just don't know how it's going to play out. I still firmly believe, regardless of the Long signing, we need to continue to build our OL. The more time Sammy has, the better off we'll be.

As much as I want a safety, I think it's just way to deep a class to take one at these spots. Just my humble opinion.

Not sure about Cooper (might be the next Bell) but I agree with the rest.

Hard part is when you look at youtube video, you're seeing most of the "good" clips. I do like what I saw on him.
But you never know, as you suggest. Here's a few highlights. About 1:50 in he's running downfield on a screen. [hil]I kinda laughed because he goes about 30 yards without even blocking anyone.[/hil] Of course he could be worse against NFL caliber players, or he could be better playing next to guys like Long and Wells. Question really is, do you think he is or will be better than Watkins or anyone else on the roster?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxnFNnW0IoM[/youtube]
[hil]You see that as a negative, and i see it as a major positive.[/hil] He ran 30 yards escorting his running back, and he was smart enough to know who he didn't need to block.

Hang on Dr. I didn't say that. I said I laughed. I actually think the fact he has the athleticism to do that is a positive. I just thought it was funny he was downfield so darn fast he didn't know who to block.
 

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Hang on Dr. I didn't say that. I said I laughed. I actually think the fact he has the athleticism to do that is a positive. I just thought it was funny he was downfield so darn fast he didn't know who to block.

Gotcha, bro. Sorry that I misunderstood. He's a hell of an athlete. I like him better than Warmack, in part because I can see him doing that on screens and the like for Givens, Cook, Pead, Richardson, and possibly Austin or Patterson.
 

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Austin is a great player, but I think he's becoming the 'flavor of the month' so to speak, with everyone raving on him. Would I take him at 16? Without thinking twice. 10-15? Probably, depending on who was there. Top 10? Very doubtful.

I can see a team trading up for a player like him, but I wouldn't want us to do that. I think it's more likely to see some reaches on QB's, but I guess we will have to see what happens.

There's about 5 or 6 players I really like... Austin, Patterson, Warmack, Cooper, Johnson and probably Vaccaro.. Chances are at least one of those players are there at 16. At 22, I'd say any of the above if there were to somehow slip, plus Fluker, Elam, and a few others.

I still think that a few QB's will go before us, Arizona, Buffalo, New York (Jets), even Oakland or Jacksonville could reach for one (which is a little less likely given their high spots, unless they trade down) so it's not out of the possibility that a few QB's go, allowing other players to fall down to us.
 

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Austin is a great player, but I think he's becoming the 'flavor of the month' so to speak, with everyone raving on him. Would I take him at 16? Without thinking twice. 10-15? Probably, depending on who was there. Top 10? Very doubtful.

I can see a team trading up for a player like him, but I wouldn't want us to do that. I think it's more likely to see some reaches on QB's, but I guess we will have to see what happens.

There's about 5 or 6 players I really like... Austin, Patterson, Warmack, Cooper, Johnson and probably Vaccaro.. Chances are at least one of those players are there at 16. At 22, I'd say any of the above if there were to somehow slip, plus Fluker, Elam, and a few others.

I still think that a few QB's will go before us, Arizona, Buffalo, New York (Jets), even Oakland or Jacksonville could reach for one (which is a little less likely given their high spots, unless they trade down) so it's not out of the possibility that a few QB's go, allowing other players to fall down to us.

Outside of geno im not sure any qb in this class goes 1st rd but your right you never know some teams panic and reach
 

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Hang on Dr. I didn't say that. I said I laughed. I actually think the fact he has the athleticism to do that is a positive. I just thought it was funny he was downfield so darn fast he didn't know who to block.

Gotcha, bro. Sorry that I misunderstood. He's a hell of an athlete. I like him better than Warmack, in part because I can see him doing that on screens and the like for Givens, Cook, Pead, Richardson, and possibly Austin or Patterson.


No worries my man. I tend to agree and also due to the fact he can play multiple positions. Hard to find someone that talented that isn't just a one position player. Going to be a very interesting draft.