Keenum and Goff: Discuss making change at QB

[Varg6]

What bothers me the most about this whole situation is the following:

Okay, so Fisher thinks that Keenum gives us the best chance to win (being in the playoff hunt and all) despite the fact that he is literally the 32nd ranked QB in the league. Not to say everything has been his fault, and he's shown that he can make some great throws. Having said that, essentially, from what I read, Fisher's logic is that if he started Goff then that he's implying the season is over to the team. I think this is just completely ridiculous considering the miserable QB play we've had the past 4 weeks. Not to mention he didn't do much in the games we did win. It's just so hard for me to believe that Goff is not a better option. And even if he isn't, uh...Sean Mannion isn't a slight upgrade? He doesn't have a better arm than Keenum? He's been on the team, in theory knows the offense, why not give him a shot? What a wasted 3rd round draft pick. Therefore, this notion that Goff is just that bad doesn't sit right with me. I think Fisher is being stubborn and sticking with "the plan", despite it becoming the nightmare scenario some of us imagined it could be. And to back up this theory--just look at the penalties the past 5 years he's been head coach and look at how he responds: "we'll fix it." I'm still waiting Jeff. I'm still waiting.

 

[BadCompany]

I can almost understand not starting Goff. Maybe they really and truly believe he isn't ready, or maybe they're afraid he'll be shattered behind our mediocre offensive line, or maybe they promised his mother he'd look all pretty for Thanksgiving dinner, so they don't want to bruise him up. Maybe they just think extra time on the bench will help turn him into a superstar, as opposed to just a very good player. Whatever. Any one of those scenarios is plausible, and heck, could even be classified as "good coaching".

Well, maybe not the Thanksgiving one... but you get the point.

But that doesn't explain Mannion. They used a third round pick on the guy, and he's been, theoretically at least, learning the game for the last year and a half. Is he really THAT much worse than Keenum?? If he is, then what a waste of third round pick that was. Which does not reflect well on the braintrust anymore than sticking with Keenum does.

 

[Armyramfan]

We are watching the same NFL right? I just saw celebrated rookie Philadelphia QB Wentz lose a game by throwing 2 interceptions and his team is now 4 & 4 on the season. As for writing long analysis, I'll leave it to the pundits who get paid for writing what is largely drivel for mass consumption. That won't be a popular viewpoint, but I think it will be largely accurate.

I'll piggy back off of most everyone else that has replied to this and agree with the statement that wouldn't you rather them lose games with a rookie quarterback in his ROOKIE season, instead of having him develop on the bunch and watch the kid struggle in one or two seasons to come? Makes a lot more sense to me oppose to losing games with what Fisher believes is a "veteran" quarterback.

 

[Armyramfan]

I can almost understand not starting Goff. Maybe they really and truly believe he isn't ready, or maybe they're afraid he'll be shattered behind our mediocre offensive line, or maybe they promised his mother he'd look all pretty for Thanksgiving dinner, so they don't want to bruise him up. Maybe they just think extra time on the bench will help turn him into a superstar, as opposed to just a very good player. Whatever. Any one of those scenarios is plausible, and heck, could even be classified as "good coaching".

Well, maybe not the Thanksgiving one... but you get the point.

But that doesn't explain Mannion. They used a third round pick on the guy, and he's been, theoretically at least, learning the game for the last year and a half. Is he really THAT much worse than Keenum?? If he is, then what a waste of third round pick that was. Which does not reflect well on the braintrust anymore than sticking with Keenum does.

To continue with your "shattering offensive line", Goff got beat the *expletive* up while he was playing for Cal, he was continuously taking huge hits but still excelled as a QB. While I understand that college players and players in the NFL are hugely different in terms of size, skill, etc. This kid has proven he can make plays while under a ton of pressure. I have multiple friends that played against him for a few seasons and tell me the amount of talent he had and the strength in his arm was nothing short of amazing. Did I see him play? No I didn't, but I have some trust in the guys I know that play in the Pac 12 and for teams such as Portland State and Montana.

 

[dieterbrock]

Kurt Warner was 5-4, the Giants were on the fringe of the playoffs and had no 1st round pick the next year. In came Eli Manning who stunk it up, finished 1-6 and Warner was off to the Cards after the season
The Giants then preceeded to go 11-5 in Manning 1st season as a starter
So many parallels between the 2

 

[Relwolf91]

Start Goff against Miami at home and we will win

 

[Relwolf91]

Kurt Warner was 5-4, the Giants were on the fringe of the playoffs and had no 1st round pick the next year. In came Eli Manning who stunk it up, finished 1-6 and Warner was off to the Cards after the season
The Giants then preceeded to go 11-5 in Manning 1st season as a starter
So many parallels between the 2

Nice story, but Keenum is no Kurt Warner.

 

[dieterbrock]

Nice story, but Keenum is no Kurt Warner.

Not the point, Case Keenum isn't 5-4 either
Eli Manning is the point. Giants got the #1 overall player (like the Rams) by trading a crap ton for him (like the Rams) and let him play the last 7 games even though they were on the fringe of the playoffs (Even closer than Rams are today)
The Giants were a pretty terrible team then and had surrendered there next #1 pick (sound familiar)
Eli rewarded the Giants with an 11-5 season in his first full season.
(Lets hope for a repeat)

 

[jrry32]

Start Goff against Miami at home and we will win

Start Goff against the Jets on the road, and we will win. But that means having the balls to get rid of the dinosaur standing between him and the field.

 

[dieterbrock]

Start Goff against the Jets on the road, and we will win. But that means having the balls to get rid of the dinosaur standing between him and the field.

Unfortunately, the Jets are so bad, and so equally messed up right now that the Rams should beat them even with Keenum, which buys him at least another 2 starts

 

[sugar land]

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I hate to say it, but I've seen better analysis of a quarterback from the coach of a second grade flag football team.

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Did you really want to know that my IQ is about 162 well-rested, 137 when extremely tired, and 132 when tired and sick or was your statement above just a nice way to slip a personal attack into a post?

After 9 years of surviving heart failure and chronic kidney disease, I woke up with perfectly healthy heart and kidneys last Christmas, a surprise to everyone. Those 9 years are why I know those above numbers.

Check heart failure mortality rates; check kidney disease mortality rates. See how many have survived without transplants. See how many have had spontaneous healing of those conditions after 9 years (when about 95% have died).

After all of that, insult me all day long if it pleases you; thumbs-down my posts; knock yourself out. Do you think I care about such or who is QB of the team?

I understand business management and I like the team to do well, but in the grand scheme of things most teams are within a game of .500 by NFL design. And now after all of this, I have created a wall of text........

 

[lockdnram21]

Check out @AdamSchefter's Tweet:
View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/797789455260221440?s=09

 

[Ballhawk]

The season should be lost by then, so, that sounds about right!:baghead:

 

[CGI_Ram]

Wait...

I want to win today...

I want to see Goff next week...

 

[JackDRams]

This isn't news. If Keenum struggles. Well if we lose today, playoffs are gone. Fisher said Goff would start when we have no chance. So if we lose, that's next week. So good use of the reduce reuse recycle method.

 

[DaveFan'51]

Check out @AdamSchefter's Tweet:
View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/797789455260221440?s=09

:blah::blah::sleepz: When ever Schefter Speaks, I take it with a grain of salt! That to say, he is only right 50% of the time, or less! And even a Blind squarl can find a nut once in a while!:snicker:

 

[Legatron4]

This isn't news. If Keenum struggles. Well if we lose today, playoffs are gone. Fisher said Goff would start when we have no chance. So if we lose, that's next week. So good use of the reduce reuse recycle method.

But then we go 3-6. That would mean Goff is going to put us at 10-6 and make the playoffs. Obviously.

 

[den-the-coach]

This is actually funny, on the Herd board a poster communicated that he and his son ran into Jerry Goff (Goff's father) in the rest room and the poster's son had a Goff jersey and Jerry Goff commented on how nice it looked, at which and I'm paraphrasing the exchange here, but Jerry Goff ended up saying that his son would most likely start at home in two weeks against the Dolphins.

I just find that humorous because this is how it usually plays out, with every social media known to mankind and all the "so called" pundits the best scoop was between a father & son and the father of Jared Goff for great information...I think many people have found out just recently, it can be this simple!

 

[jap]

It will take some time, but if Jared proves he is adept at hurting defenses deep, then the Express! will be Rampaging once more.

So what do we have to look forward to today . . . another Case-led loss?

 

[Corbin]

Haha I bet Keenum has a career game vs. the Jets! Any takers? 350 yards and 2 touchdowns with one ran in 23/28