Josh Gordon no more....

[Ramstien]

I personally think it is not being addicted to Marijuana that is the problem, here. I see the problem as some form of mental health issues. What does it say in the Big Book; " if you know something is bad for you and makes you miserable and you have living problems directly related to it but you continue to do it anyway, this is the true definition of insanity". I'm sure a lot of posters on this board remember Tre Mason and Terrell Owens, case in point.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Most of the time, its not only an issue of the drugs or alcohol. Its the company that you keep.

Need to stop smoking weed?
Stop hanging out with your friends that smoke weed.
Which isn't easy, but certainly achievable.

 

[dieterbrock]

While there may be ways to manage addiction, handle it on one's own, there's only one way I know that can work, but it has to have 100% compliance to the first 2 steps. Sure we have seen Hall of Fame QB's go from undrafted and stocking shelves to SB hero, but it's not really a suggested way to go about things. If Gordon cant truly admit to himself that he's powerless over his addiction, completely defeated and that only a power greater than himself can help, he doesnt stand a chance.
It's sad, but unfortunately there is nothing anyone can do or say to help someone who isnt 100% ready and committed for change.

 

[RamsFanCK]

Addiction is a bitch, been there. IDK if he lacks that fire inside to really get and stay clean, if the NFL environment and culture of partying is too tempting and he needs to be removed from negative influences, or what. I know when I hit a low emotionally after costing myself honor and worse because of addiction I had the power and necessary motivation to kick addiction ass. He has had a million of those moments though so I just don’t know. I feel bad for him as a person, I don’t feel bad that he blew his NFl opportunities. This dude is living in a hell of his own design right now and he knows it.

 

[fearsomefour]

Addicts who can’t get their shit together don’t get to do things like work in their chosen profession in most cases.
So be it.

 

[Ellard80]

I could give a fuck about Josh Gordon. It's almost funny at this point. Not a tragedy at all the kid still has a chance to pull his head out his ass.

Let's stop all that before next thing we know he's a victim too.

No one called him a victim - but he has problems. He isn't just "stupid." I read a article about the dude from the cowboys - gregory. Who has similar issues. One thing they do when you get on the list is isolate you from everyone else. Which of course is bad - because you have nothing to distract you from your addiction.

 

[Ellard80]

Gordon has had help. We all know that weed is not addictive. The feeling may be something you keep wanting but it has nothing in it to cause dependency.

Alcohol...thats a different story. But since when does the league ban you for drinking? I saw Taylor Lewan chug a beer thru a dead fish at a hockey game.

This league and its members of its community have tried to help him. At this point he is a fuckin idiot who doesn't want to change.

Before anyone thinks I'm closed minded. I am an ex addict. Was addicted to opioids...bad. went to rehab, quit cold turkey and have been clean for over 12 years now. The issue is that you have to WANT to be better. He clearly doesn't.

Addicts like Gordon can be addicted to everything - he has gotten in trouble for many things. My sister is an addict - she has been okay for about 15 years for the most part. But she does other things obessively. It's not really the weed, or alchohol - an addict can abuse anything. Gordon appears to be an addict for many reasons, one of them being he has gotten in trouble for different substances.

If you recovered from addiction I commend you - but that last line of "wanting" to get better and he doesn't. That's utter nonsense.

You can't live inside the heads of addicts, let alone anyone. My grandfather who was a wwII vet and had anxiety/drinking problems that killed him. He couldn't shake it.

Saying its because "he didn't want to get better" seriously cant believe I actually read someone say that.... just wow.

 

[Merlin]

No one called him a victim - but he has problems. He isn't just "stupid." I read a article about the dude from the cowboys - gregory. Who has similar issues. One thing they do when you get on the list is isolate you from everyone else. Which of course is bad - because you have nothing to distract you from your addiction.

I quit meth after 6 or so years of heavy usage. I was stupid to end up where I was. When you put yourself in that situation it feels like everyone is against you. But you either learn that you are the problem and do something about it or you launch a career as a victim.

That dude has fucked himself way harder than I ever did. He has squandered a career and loads of talent. So I have no pity for him and in fact in my book he is a fucking dumbass.

 

[dieterbrock]

Saying its because "he didn't want to get better" seriously cant believe I actually read someone say that.... just wow.

It is the cold hard truth though, because its ultimately why some addicts dont achieve recovery

 

[nighttrain]

nobody wants to be an addict, shit happens
train

 

[Snaz]

I suffer from chronic depression. I have had a string of family deaths, divorce, accidents, illnesses all happen one after the other and compounded and went undiagnosed. I was crabby, irritable, sleepy, and even on medication still am. I'm doing better. But it was me, me choosing to try. It's extremely difficult for me. I don't choose to feel this way, I don't put the thoughts in my head.

I don't have an addicting personality, so I haven't gone to drugs or alcohol like so many do in my situation. But I can see it and understand the reason to want to escape. They have a need or pull that i don't have. I can't understand that part.

But feeling helpless and unable to fix yourself, I understand completely. I've done everything. Time is the only thing that helps me, it lessens the hurt and pain. Plus finally having things fall into place, financially helps a lot.

But my problems would surely not exist if I had the chance to be an NFL player.

 

[BriansRams]

Who the hell is surprised? It's his what, 26th chance? Love Josh Gordon but man, the NFL needs to move on from him.

You're a better person than me. I don't even love him.

 

[Mister Sin]

Q

Addicts like Gordon can be addicted to everything - he has gotten in trouble for many things. My sister is an addict - she has been okay for about 15 years for the most part. But she does other things obessively. It's not really the weed, or alchohol - an addict can abuse anything. Gordon appears to be an addict for many reasons, one of them being he has gotten in trouble for different substances.

If you recovered from addiction I commend you - but that last line of "wanting" to get better and he doesn't. That's utter nonsense.

You can't live inside the heads of addicts, let alone anyone. My grandfather who was a wwII vet and had anxiety/drinking problems that killed him. He couldn't shake it.

Saying its because "he didn't want to get better" seriously cant believe I actually read someone say that.... just wow.

Ill not only stand by it, but say it again. You have to have the desire to get better. Once and addicts always an addict. The struggle is very real. All the time. Ive had surgery, broken bones and live with constant pain. When I broke my ankle last year or the surgery the year before that required pain meds, I'm smart enough to give my wife the pills and she hides them and doles them out to me. I make that effort because I know I am an addict. I cant control myself. When in the hospital for a perforated colon, they were feeding me fentynol thru an iv every time I hurt. I had to tell them to stop and give me something else. It was the best feeling I've ever felt in my life. I couldn't keep getting that.

No offense. But don't stand on the outside of addiction and attempt to know what goes on in an addicts mind.

The reason he keeps fucking up is because he isnt surrounding himself with the right people. He isnt seeking help and he simply doesn't truly want to. He can't get clean for football. It will never work. He has to get clean for himself.

I got clean because I found myself sleeping in a friend's addict in the middle of winter with no insulation and one end open. All the money I came upon, I spent on shit. I barely ate. I barely slept. I had run out of money and drugs and was withdrawing in that cold attic and that's when I knew I needed a change. Went to rehab that night.

 

[Mister Sin]

Addicts like Gordon can be addicted to everything - he has gotten in trouble for many things. My sister is an addict - she has been okay for about 15 years for the most part. But she does other things obessively. It's not really the weed, or alchohol - an addict can abuse anything. Gordon appears to be an addict for many reasons, one of them being he has gotten in trouble for different substances.

If you recovered from addiction I commend you - but that last line of "wanting" to get better and he doesn't. That's utter nonsense.

You can't live inside the heads of addicts, let alone anyone. My grandfather who was a wwII vet and had anxiety/drinking problems that killed him. He couldn't shake it.

Saying its because "he didn't want to get better" seriously cant believe I actually read someone say that.... just wow.

Also, my sister is a fuckin junky. She was addicted to sex, then pills, then meth, then heroin...and so on to an addiction to guys who whip her ass. Ive beat up two different men over beating her ass. Finally, I was done. I told her its on her. She spiraled, lost her three children....they are much better off. That was her low. She has been clean about 6 months now. But of course her ex bf just got out of jail so she is back with him. I expect she will slip again.

My father is law was my best friend. He had a very rough life and was a bad alcoholic. He drank a 30 pack a day on top of being on oxy. He was also a bad diabetic.. He died a few years ago. He was a great man with demons.

That said, neither of them get free passes. Had either of them put forth the effort to change, she would still have her kids and he may very well still be alive.

So, I understand watching addicts as well as being one. And I understand how hard that is and the sympathy that you want to give them. But the truth is. They can fix it.

@Snaz has a terrific point there. The only people I truly feel for are those who feel lost or depressed. You can't always fix that with RX. And often times folks turn to harder drugs to escape. You wish you could help them...but how? Unless your mind works that way, how can you truly understand?

 

[Dz1]

Imho I doubt anyone here knows if his actions are because of addiction or head injury. Injuries.

There's example after example of players going nuts, crazy and the NFL changing hits to the head rules and concussion protocols.

Heck just read or remember the Mike Webster story.

 

[Ellard80]

It is the cold hard truth though, because its ultimately why some addicts dont achieve recovery

in no world is that a cold hard truth.

 

[Ellard80]

Also, my sister is a fuckin junky. She was addicted to sex, then pills, then meth, then heroin...and so on to an addiction to guys who whip her ass. Ive beat up two different men over beating her ass. Finally, I was done. I told her its on her. She spiraled, lost her three children....they are much better off. That was her low. She has been clean about 6 months now. But of course her ex bf just got out of jail so she is back with him. I expect she will slip again.

My father is law was my best friend. He had a very rough life and was a bad alcoholic. He drank a 30 pack a day on top of being on oxy. He was also a bad diabetic.. He died a few years ago. He was a great man with demons.

That said, neither of them get free passes. Had either of them put forth the effort to change, she would still have her kids and he may very well still be alive.

So, I understand watching addicts as well as being one. And I understand how hard that is and the sympathy that you want to give them. But the truth is. They can fix it.

@Snaz has a terrific point there. The only people I truly feel for are those who feel lost or depressed. You can't always fix that with RX. And often times folks turn to harder drugs to escape. You wish you could help them...but how? Unless your mind works that way, how can you truly understand?

Who said anything about giving anyone a free pass? You said gordon probably just didn't "want" to get better as much as you or someone else.

That is a ridiculous statment.

 

[Mister Sin]

Who said anything about giving anyone a free pass? You said gordon probably just didn't "want" to get better as much as you or someone else.

That is a ridiculous statment.

Lol he clearly doesn't. Or he would. Plain and simple. You are far, far off base here. He had all the resources available on the planet. He chose not to use them or take them serious. But people are out here making changes without any of that help.

If he truly desired to get past it. He would. Im done explaining at this point. It seems you have your mind set. You clearly don't have any real grasp of how recovery works.

 

[Ellard80]

Q



Ill not only stand by it, but say it again. You have to have the desire to get better. Once and addicts always an addict. The struggle is very real. All the time. Ive had surgery, broken bones and live with constant pain. When I broke my ankle last year or the surgery the year before that required pain meds, I'm smart enough to give my wife the pills and she hides them and doles them out to me. I make that effort because I know I am an addict. I cant control myself. When in the hospital for a perforated colon, they were feeding me fentynol thru an iv every time I hurt. I had to tell them to stop and give me something else. It was the best feeling I've ever felt in my life. I couldn't keep getting that.

No offense. But don't stand on the outside of addiction and attempt to know what goes on in an addicts mind.

The reason he keeps fucking up is because he isnt surrounding himself with the right people. He isnt seeking help and he simply doesn't truly want to. He can't get clean for football. It will never work. He has to get clean for himself.

I got clean because I found myself sleeping in a friend's addict in the middle of winter with no insulation and one end open. All the money I came upon, I spent on shit. I barely ate. I barely slept. I had run out of money and drugs and was withdrawing in that cold attic and that's when I knew I needed a change. Went to rehab that night.

Yeah plenty of people have to be a the bottom before they will change - but some get to the bottom and don't come out. To say its because "they didn"t want to as bad" I'm not sure I've read anything so ignorant. And just because your an addict or someone else is doesn't make it right.

You tell me dont stand and tell you someone else's mind - yet you are doing that.

Also you are acting like your thought process or whatever you believe is the difference for everyone else.