Jerry Tillery @ 31?

[sdakotaram]

A simple poll I think he could be awesome!!!

 

[TSFH Fan]

Sure, why not? [Yeah, for the purposes of this post, ignoring the part if the Rams have a higher rated player available.]
He could make people forget about Suh . . . or remind people of Suh, w/e.
Bring him back to play in the Colly!


View: https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/802658736766681088


View: https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/802662117056790530


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From the draft crap I've seen (very, very cursory) the biggest red flag isn't the stuff above, but the unforgivable sin that Tillery has interests outside of football. Oh, no! Could drop because of it.

 

[rdlkgliders]

One of those guys you really dislike, well unless of course he is wearing your colors then:yay:

 

[Ram65]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-jerry-tillery-is-elite-top-10-prospect

Jerry Tillery is an elite player, deserves a place in the top-10 conversation
BY MICHAEL RENNER • MAR 29, 2019

Sep 10, 2016; South Bend, IN, USA; Notre Dame Fighting Irish cornerback Julian Love (27) defensive lineman Jerry Tillery (99) and the Notre Dame leprechaun celebrate after Notre Dame defeated the Nevada Wolf Pack 39-10 at Notre Dame Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Matt Cashore-USA TODAY Sports
When it comes to the top 10 of the NFL draft, general managers want rare talents. Players with certain skills that make you think they can be an elite player in the NFL. I’m here to tell you that Notre Dame defensive tackle Jerry Tillery is one of them. You’d be hard pressed to see many talking about Tillery in the top-10 conversation, but from a size, athleticism and production standpoint, Tillery is the most accomplished defensive tackle in this class after Alabama’s Quinnen Williams.



You may be thinking, “he only had 12.5 sacks in his career and seven sacks last year, how is that elite production?” (hopefully not though because you are reading this on PFF.com after all). The Notre Dame defensive lineman is a fantastic case study on what one considers ‘production.’ Is it sacks and tackles for loss? Pressures and stops? PFF grade? While the first couple are still counting stats, the PFF grade takes into account every single interaction along the line of scrimmage — even the times when a defender beats an offensive lineman but didn’t record a tackle or a pressure.

That’s why, despite ranking third among interior players in total pressures with 48, Tillery tied Williams for the highest pass-rushing grade at the position in college football. A big reason why is because Tillery had 32 such wins as a pass-rusher that didn’t result in a pressure — the most among all interior defenders in college football. When it comes to winning one-on-one interactions, Tillery is as good as it gets.

So why the distinct lack of hype? Truthfully, I’m not sure. The NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah notes that ‘he is a very streaky player on tape…he just needs to become more consistent’ as his biggest knock. Lance Zierlein notes that Tillery is ‘raw with his hands and hasn’t learned to properly weaponize them in his rush attack.’ Reading those criticisms only makes me like Tillery more. If Tillery truly is inconsistent and raw yet still produced at the highest level we’ve seen from a college interior defender, just think what he could become if coaches can fix those issues at the NFL level.

I’ve heard a lot of similar criticisms before. The same things were said about the player who owns the third highest single-season pass-rushing grade we’ve ever seen from a college interior defender. Mississippi State’s 6-6, 310-pound defensive tackle Chris Jones fell to the second round because of inconsistent effort concerns and a lack of ball production. All Jones did was become a plus pass-rusher the first day he stepped on an NFL field and rack up 15.5 sacks this past season with the Chiefs. The scary thing is, that between Jones and Tillery, the latter tested out as a far superior athlete. Tillery bested Jones 40-yard dash (4.93 vs 5.03), vertical (32.0” vs 29.5”), broad (9-7 vs 8-10) and short shuttle (4.33 vs 4.62) while barely losing in the 3-cone (7.45 vs 7.44).

Tillery should hands down be seen as one of the elite prospects in the upcoming class and if he falls out of the top 10 someone will get a steal.

They have him rated #2 DT believe it or not.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...erior-defensive-linemen-in-the-2019-nfl-draft

 

[Ram65]

Is he a more powerful Brockers?

Could he be as good as Lawrence against the run and a much better pass rusher?

Tillery could be a get for the Rams. He can fit at NT/ DE in Wade's system. Rams could get tremendous pressure with him next to Donald or on the outside.

 

[Riverumbbq]

If both Tillery & Jeffery Simmons are still on the board at #31, I try to trade down 6-8 spots in order to pick up another 4'th rounder. I'd still take Simmons first, but I would by no means be upset coming up with Tillery as our first draft pick. jmo.

 

[dang]

If we are picking at 31 then probable available players in order of preference:

1. Dexter Lawrence
2. Jeffrey Simmons
3. Garrett Bradbury
4. Chris Lindstrom
5. Jerry Tillery

 

[So Ram]

If both Tillery & Jeffery Simmons are still on the board at #31, I try to trade down 6-8 spots in order to pick up another 4'th rounder. I'd still take Simmons first, but I would by no means be upset coming up with Tillery as our first draft pick. jmo.

Finding a player that will take pressure off of Donald & stuff the middle of the D”Line could be priceless & not worth playing games.

I always like trading down, but not worth missing an elite prospect for.

 

[rams1fan]

I dont draft Simmons. I think Rams want this year to bring contribution. Last year we could afford to draft for next year as we had the capital to make trades and sign free agents. This year we lost personnel and therefore the draft needs to yield immediate contributors. That is not Simmons.

 

[jrry32]

Personally, I'd say no. Good player, but I think we'll have a couple better options if we don't trade down, including Jeff Simmons.

 

[jrry32]

Is he a more powerful Brockers?

Could he be as good as Lawrence against the run and a much better pass rusher?

Tillery could be a get for the Rams. He can fit at NT/ DE in Wade's system. Rams could get tremendous pressure with him next to Donald or on the outside.

No, not at all. He's not a NT. He'd play DE in our scheme. Tillery is not a good run stopper at this point in time.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I voted no. I think they need more of a run defender up the middle, if they go DLine, or an Edge rusher, over DE.

 

[Riverumbbq]

I dont draft Simmons. I think Rams want this year to bring contribution. Last year we could afford to draft for next year as we had the capital to make trades and sign free agents. This year we lost personnel and therefore the draft needs to yield immediate contributors. That is not Simmons.

I disagree. While I understand your reasoning that a 2018 Super Bowl team would want an immediate contributor, our team may have lost too many quality veterans in the off-season to expect a 2019 repeat, so i'd advocate for the BPA, even if he might not get into a game this next season. Brockers could easily be lost to free agency following the season, having Simmons capable of moving inside and out in a DL unit which includes Donald is what dreams are made of. Remember, Simmons was a top 10-15 player until his recent injury. The Rams can still draft a late round 2 down NT with Brockers rotating inside, and doing the same outside rotating with Franklin-Myers. This also gives us an opportunity to see what Franklin-Myers is made of before spending big draft capital on another 3/4 DE.
I'm not anti-Tillery by any means, if that's how the draft falls i'm sure he will answer the call as an excellent pass rushing DE, he and Franklin-Myers could become an elite duo on that side, although that leaves us with a weakened DT in the middle since Brockers lost all that weight prior to last year in order to move outside for 2018. We also don't know much about his presumed interior rotational partner, Sebastian Joseph.
Either way works for me, but Simmons is the BPA imo.

 

[dang]

Lawrence/Simmons/Tillery? With the versatility of Brockers, the Rams could add a NT (Lawrence) or a 3-4 DE (Tillery). It sounds like Simmons has the most upside and versatility of the 3 so he could be the best selection to prepare for a potential move away from Brockers next year. While I agree not having Simmons until the 2nd half of the year is not ideal - long term it sounds like he is the best of the 3.

 

[rams1fan]

I disagree. While I understand your reasoning that a 2018 Super Bowl team would want an immediate contributor, our team may have lost too many quality veterans in the off-season to expect a 2019 repeat, so i'd advocate for the BPA, even if he might not get into a game this next season. Brockers could easily be lost to free agency following the season, having Simmons capable of moving inside and out in a DL unit which includes Donald is what dreams are made of. Remember, Simmons was a top 10-15 player until his recent injury. The Rams can still draft a late round 2 down NT with Brockers rotating inside, and doing the same outside rotating with Franklin-Myers. This also gives us an opportunity to see what Franklin-Myers is made of before spending big draft capital on another 3/4 DE.
I'm not anti-Tillery by any means, if that's how the draft falls i'm sure he will answer the call as an excellent pass rushing DE, he and Franklin-Myers could become an elite duo on that side, although that leaves us with a weakened DT in the middle since Brockers lost all that weight prior to last year in order to move outside for 2018. We also don't know much about his presumed interior rotational partner, Sebastian Joseph.
Either way works for me, but Simmons is the BPA imo.

I bet that the rams will not draft him.,

 

[Riverumbbq]

I bet that the rams will not draft him.,

Those odds are too steep for me.

 

[NERamsFan]

I dont draft Simmons. I think Rams want this year to bring contribution. Last year we could afford to draft for next year as we had the capital to make trades and sign free agents. This year we lost personnel and therefore the draft needs to yield immediate contributors. That is not Simmons.

While it’s easy to make the argument that we should focus on immediate contributors, you have to remember good teams plan with the long term prospects in mind. Simmons when healthy is a top 5-10 pick in this draft. Imagine getting that value and steal potential at #31! Now imagine him fully healthy next year alongside AD- NASTY! I think we have the depth on the line bw returning starters and last year’s draft class to really fortify the DL. Maybe add a vet or undrafted rookie to the mix while we let Simmons heal, then release the demon next year after Brock walks.

I’ll take Simmons all day long and twice next Thursday!

 

[Merlin]

So why the distinct lack of hype? Truthfully, I’m not sure. The NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah notes that ‘he is a very streaky player on tape…he just needs to become more consistent’ as his biggest knock.

Writer's "truthfully not sure," then quotes Jeremiah on precisely why there's a distinct lack of hype. Too funny.

 

[Merlin]

For me it's Lawrence or bust at 31 and NT or DL. He is the piece that fits us perfectly. If he's gone, there are plenty of other options to include guys like Saunders and Wren plus some others later.

But yeah IMO Lawrence would be an impact addition. Him next to AD would be terrifying for opposing defenses from day one of preseason on. Most lines would struggle badly with those two next to each other.

 

[XXXIVwin]

I’d be real surprised if the Rams drafted Tillery.

Not a McSnead type pick. Low football IQ, knucklehead, rumblings of being a bad teammate, underachievement concerns.

Tillery sounds like a perfect Fisher type pick... talented but raw, with some maturity issues. Exact opposite of a McVay pick. Just can’t see them risking that at #31.