Jeff Fisher still waiting for a head coaching gig

[Soul Surfer]

I will laugh myself into a loony bin if Fish becomes a HC again..lol

The crazy part is that he says this stuff with a straight face while totally oblivious to how badly he failed.

 

[Soul Surfer]

My prediction is they start 0-6 and Hue gets fired. They make Haley interim and he goes 8-2 showing big offensive improvement and he gets the job.

Hmmm.....
can you be more specific?

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

I have never paid attention to that, and don't know the objective.

I do think that as an objective observer he is a solid judge of player talents.

He cannot pick a coaching staff.

So a GM position wouldn't be right for him, but there has to be a space he could occupy successfully.

Les, he's a very good judge of Defensive players. But he has no clue when it comes to offensive players because he doesn't know what he is looking at. What I mean by that is he doesn't possess an offensive philosophy beyond playing smash mouth football in an era when every rule change for the past 20 years has been designed to aid the PASSING GAME.
Look at the contrast with Fish and Coach Mac. McVay comes in and immediately starts to identify and sign Offensive players that fit HIS system simply because he HAS a system and he knows what he is looking for and who can fit it the best.
IMO it's probably way too late for Fish to somehow whip up a relevant and cogent offensive philosophy and therefore he is doomed to stay retired because everyone who has watched this man flounder and flail around knows he is incapable of significant change and progress.

Just my .02 cents......

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[-X-]

As long as the NY Jets and Cleveland Browns are in existence, there’s still a chance.

Probably right. I could also see an Owner giving him a shot with a team that has a strong GM and an already potent offense. Kinda like Dungy did when he went from Tampa to Indy. All Indy needed was some coaxing and a stronger D. Fisher, love him or hate him, is still a player's coach. Players like to play for him. He's probably a little too lax in the discipline department, so that's something a new team should address up front prior to giving him a shot. And I can't help but remember how Vermeil would have likely gone down as an abject failure if he didn't happen upon Martz and a sweet deal for Faulk + a good draft in his final year. If Fisher ever pulls his head out of his ass and hands the reins over to a good offensive coordinator, he might actually be semi-successful next time around. But again, that strong GM I spoke of earlier would have to be the one in control of things. Can't give Fisher complete autonomy anymore, because he'll just fuck it up.

 

[SteezyEndo]

He should just stick to Fishing. Seriously, if he had a show along side Bill Dance I’d watch it.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Where teams routinely score 40-50 points a game?

I almost rofl'd out the door.

Yes, but, where else can you throw incomplete. Get sacked on 2nd down, then run the ball on 3rd and long for a 1st down.

 

[OldSchool]

I have never paid attention to that, and don't know the objective.

I do think that as an objective observer he is a solid judge of player talents.

He cannot pick a coaching staff.

So a GM position wouldn't be right for him, but there has to be a space he could occupy successfully.

I think a director of football operations or something where he doesn't have player personnel control would be good for him. Especially at a college he could hire coaches and be a fundraiser.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think he's making a mistake by not taking a DC job.

He has too big of an ego. He would be a great DC, but how would a head coach, especially a young one be able to stay on top of him? He would constantly be trying to take charge. I don't even think a guy like Tomlinson could handle him. Maybe McVay could keep him in line but if Fisher wasn't totally on board as a coordinator only, then why bother?

 

[kurtfaulk]

but there has to be a space he could occupy successfully.

He has been doing it for a year.

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[RamFan503]

he could hire coaches

And there's the rub. He doesn't have the greatest of track records there either.

 

[OldSchool]

And there's the rub. He doesn't have the greatest of track records there either.

Sorry I’m saying head coaches, let them hire their assistants.

 

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[RamFan503]

Sorry I’m saying head coaches, let them hire their assistants.

Don't get me wrong. I liked Fish and hoped he would be a great coach for us. But his decision making sucks and he actually doesn't seem very bright. He's no Pat Haden. If he is going to be an AD somewhere, I'd rather it not be at one of my favorite colleges. And besides.... Is there anything that would suggest he would be better at picking a HC vs an OC? He's got to get that one right before the HCs can then hire their coaches. And does he know ANYTHING about how to raise money or the myriad of other sports? Pass.

 

[UKram]

McVay did it right know nothing about defence apart from how to attack them get someone in who knows their shit ... hello coach wade

Jeff fisher knew defense and how to stop an offense..he easily did it by making Rob Boras his OC

 

[RamFan503]

And BTW @OldSchool - Yes I did miss the fact that you said "director of football operations" and not AD. I still don't like him for that position with USC but at least he would be limited to picking a HC for football only. Still not sure about the whole fund raising thing. He doesn't come off as a real dynamic speaker.

 

[snackdaddy]

I don't see how Fisher could be an effective head coach anymore because I don't see a legit OC working for him. He wants a certain type of offense where wide receivers are not a priority unless they can block well on run plays. I'm pretty sure he promoted in house at OC because it was hard to find an established one willing to work for him. It would be a career killer. He promoted a yes man to run his offense.

The defense will likely be strong but the weak offense will eventually take its toll. Under him the Rams defense seemed strong at times but did they ever finish top 10? They'll tease at times with impressive wins over a quality opponent but when its all said and done, guess what? 7-9. If you're a perennial 2 or 3 win team I suppose it would be better. But at some point you'll be left wanting more.

I'd be surprised if he got another head coaching job in the NFL. That final season where it was clear his system was the problem is what people will remember. A middle school offense. I'm pretty sure Schottenheimer left because he knew his career would stall working for Fisher. He didn't even leave for a promotion. His career would have nose dived if he stayed.

 

[OldSchool]

And BTW @OldSchool - Yes I did miss the fact that you said "director of football operations" and not AD. I still don't like him for that position with USC but at least he would be limited to picking a HC for football only. Still not sure about the whole fund raising thing. He doesn't come off as a real dynamic speaker.

He’s a big name, though somewhat tarnished and he’s a hometown boy. I’m not a big USC fan but it always seemed to me Haden failed at getting the right coaches. You’re a huge school and a major name. Throw money at a big name and get a winning coach in there. They should be competing for the title e dry year. And they end up in medium sized bowl games instead. I’m as anti Fisher as anybody after the way his tenure ended, but in an Admin role I think he’d be good at USC.

 

[Rams43]

Sean McVay amply demonstrated all of Fisher’s shortcomings as Ram HC.

I mean, it could scarcely have been more dramatic, could it?

A true A to Z before and after contrast?

What owner in his right mind would give Fisher another shot as HC? Geez...

 

[Selassie I]

Fisher is just trying to keep a line in the water.

The old fisherman saying says something like this... "You're guaranteed not to catch anything if you don't have a line out."


I can't imagine anyone, except the Browns, that would even consider him as a legit candidate.

 

[RamFan503]

He’s a big name, though somewhat tarnished and he’s a hometown boy. I’m not a big USC fan but it always seemed to me Haden failed at getting the right coaches. You’re a huge school and a major name. Throw money at a big name and get a winning coach in there. They should be competing for the title e dry year. And they end up in medium sized bowl games instead. I’m as anti Fisher as anybody after the way his tenure ended, but in an Admin role I think he’d be good at USC.

I like the alumni angle but I grew up a USC fan (though I'm more of a Ducks/Beaver fan now). I don't doubt that USC has and even possibly are considering Fisher for any kind of admin role. I agree that Haden didn't get it done but I also think that Haden is far smarter than Fisher and very much knew the alumni as well as being a star football player in LA from HS through to the pros. Hell - he was practically USC hero John McKay's son. I'm not sure why they didn't take that tac but I have to imagine it wasn't a decision solely in Haden's hands. USC boosters seem to think they don't need big name coaches as they will always get the cream of the crop in CA and national top recruit athletes. They need to wise up that they have competition for that and need either a big name or be able to identify the next great coach. I could see Fisher maybe being able to get the former but not being able to figure out the latter.