Jeff Fisher is expected back as Rams coach next year

[Prime Time]

Fisher/Snead may or may not get extensions on their contracts? Don't believe everything you read. Do they deserve them? Not in my opinion but I don't get to make that call.

Carroll and Fisher: a faulty comparison.

The Rams were 15-65 the previous five seasons before Fisher arrived
The Seahawks were 41-39 the previous five seasons before Pete Carroll arrived.

Which team had a tougher rebuild? Which team had to pull up stakes and move?

 

[jrry32]

Ok let me ask you this. Remove the starting QB from the top teams. Besides the patriots, do you think a lot would have winning records? Not many IMO.

On the flip side, add a franchise QB to our team last year. We lost to Baltimore, Minnesota, and San Fran by 3 points each. We lost to Pittsburgh by 6 points. Does a top QB win us those games? I think he does IMO.

Jeff Fisher had 5 years to get a QB to be his franchise guy. Yet, here we are. It was his call to start Keenum. He decided that Keenum would give us a better shot at the playoffs than Goff. It's clear now that Keenum gives us no shot at the playoffs. Fisher gets to pay for his sins. He had 5 years to get things right. He failed.

No more excuses about QBs. I can't think of another coach who got more time to turn a team around than Fisher in the past 25 or so years. The Rams gave Fisher more than enough chances. He's a failure. He doesn't get to use Goff as a chip for self-preservation by doubling down on his incompetence.

 

[jrry32]

Fisher/Snead may or may not get extensions on their contracts? Don't believe everything you read. Do they deserve them? Not in my opinion but I don't get to make that call.

Carroll and Fisher: a faulty comparison.

The Rams were 15-65 the previous five seasons before Fisher arrived
The Seahawks were 41-39 the previous five seasons before Pete Carroll arrived.

Which team had a tougher rebuild? Which team had to pull up stakes and move?

How about the Oakland Raiders?
2012: 4-12
2013: 4-12
2014: 3-13

After one season, look where they are. Five years is more than enough time.

But I think you're missing the relevance of the Carroll comparison. First of all, the Fisher "detractors" didn't make the Carroll comparison. Somebody supporting Fisher did. The extent of how it was used against Fisher was to show that Carroll actually had the balls to start his rookie QB over an ineffective veteran, and that rookie QB rewarded them with a playoff appearance.

 

[Prime Time]

How about the Oakland Raiders?
2012: 4-12
2013: 4-12
2014: 3-13

After one season, look where they are. Five years is more than enough time.

Oh I agree. Fisher should be shown the door but I'm not going to get twisted up in knots if he gets an extension.

 

[jrry32]

Oh I agree. Fisher should be shown the door but I'm not going to get twisted up in knots if he gets an extension.

I'll be irate if he gets an extension. It'll make strongly consider not rooting for this team anymore. And that is painful for me to think about because of how highly I think of Goff.

 

[Prime Time]

One thought about the Raiders, they haven't had a winning season since 2002. Now they have their franchise QB, a decent line, and a defense that's coming together. Whether Del Rio is a good coach or whether he was there at just the right time is unknown to me.

It'll make strongly consider not rooting for this team anymore.

How any fan can do that is beyond my comprehension but all the best to you. I will add though that switching over to the Jaguars might not be good for your blood pressure.

 

[Rmfnlt]

And that is painful for me to think about because of how highly I think of Goff.

So, help me understand the real issue you have.

Let's say Fisher gets an extension and starts Goff. Then, you're OK with the extension?

 

[Juice]

I have been a Ram fan for so long that I wouldn't know how to pull for another team.

 

[jrry32]

So, help me understand the real issue you have.

Let's say Fisher gets an extension and starts Goff. Then, you're OK with the extension?

No. I am done with Fisher. I wanted him fired after last year. He redeemed himself enough in my eyes by trading up for Goff that I was willing to give him a chance this year. The way he's handled the QB position and the team this year only reaffirmed my opinion from last year that he needs to go.

Even if he starts Goff right now, I still want him gone.(barring a complete miracle)

 

[jrry32]

One thought about the Raiders, they haven't had a winning season since 2002. Now they have their franchise QB, a decent line, and a defense that's coming together. Whether Del Rio is a good coach or whether he was there at just the right time is unknown to me.

How any fan can do that is beyond my comprehension but all the best to you. I will add though that switching over to the Jaguars might not be good for your blood pressure.

I don't know that I'd call Del Rio a good coach either. He was pretty average in Jax. But the Raiders have managed to build a winner. We're still stuck in neutral.

How can I stop rooting for the Rams? It's not easy, but it's doable. Extending Fisher would be a slap in the face to every fan who supports this team year after year. We deserve better. I can't support a team that does that. It would be a clear message to me that they don't care about the product on the field. They only care about making money off of it.

 

[yrba1]

I have been a Ram fan for so long that I wouldn't know how to pull for another team.

If I can deal with the 2009 blunder known as 1-15, I certainly won't question my fandom dealing with Fisher's epidemic of mediocrity. I will, however, be less interested down the road.

 

[Angry Ram]

continually coming out unprepared for games gives me no confidence that suddenly he's gonna turn it around for the next 8 games.

I don't believe that. If that were true, the team would have no business being in games to begin with.

 

[lockdnram21]

http://m.ocregister.com/articles/fisher-734872-rams-goff.html

 

[DthOn2Legs]

I wonder how most of you headhunters would evaluate the HC if just once Fisher got consistent quality play out of a QB?

Well...we can already evaluate his offensive drafting ability. 18 offensive players drafted and Gurley is the ONLY one other teams would love to have (and Tavon with his 83rd ranking in receiving yards doesn't qualify):

1. Quick
2. Pead
3. Givens
4. Aaron Brown
5. Richardson
6. Austin
7. Bailey
8. Stacy
9. Mason
10. Gilbert
11. Gurley
12. Mannion
13. Sasser
14. Goff (if he can't beat out Case Keenum, he can't start anywhere)
15. Higbee
16. Cooper
17. Hemingway
18. Thomas

Sheesh, this list probably deserves its own thread :eek:

 

[RamFan503]

I'm a little unsure if Jrry thinks Goff should have been playing by now.

 

[fearsomefour]

I'm a little unsure if Jrry thinks Goff should have been playing by now.

Its all a bit hazy....like searching for the ghost of Bigfoot.

 

[Ramlock]

I'm a little unsure if Jrry thinks Goff should have been playing by now.

Yeah
Not enough
of a sample size to determine that

 

[Young Ram]

Jeff Fisher had 5 years to get a QB to be his franchise guy. Yet, here we are. It was his call to start Keenum. He decided that Keenum would give us a better shot at the playoffs than Goff. It's clear now that Keenum gives us no shot at the playoffs. Fisher gets to pay for his sins. He had 5 years to get things right. He failed.

No more excuses about QBs. I can't think of another coach who got more time to turn a team around than Fisher in the past 25 or so years. The Rams gave Fisher more than enough chances. He's a failure. He doesn't get to use Goff as a chip for self-preservation by doubling down on his incompetence.

It's Fisher's fault for Bradford's injuries? It's not like he didn't try. Fole's was a mistake. He realized it and that's why we have Goff. Plus you evaded my questions. You keep harping on about how Goff isn't starting and it shows Fishers Incompetence. Stubbornness? Yes. Incompetence? Not really. Not with all the talent he has brought in. So yeah jrry we have tremendous talent and Goff is the key to this big rebuild. If Goff fails then Fisher has failed.

But I think you're missing the relevance of the Carroll comparison. First of all, the Fisher "detractors" didn't make the Carroll comparison. Somebody supporting Fisher did.

If you're talking about me, I never brought up Carroll. Someone else did. I just replied how a Franchise QB turned around Carroll's Seahawks into a perennial winner.

 

[dieterbrock]

If you're talking about me, I never brought up Carroll. Someone else did. I just replied how a Franchise QB turned around Carroll's Seahawks into a perennial winner.

Which is ignoring the fact that Carroll could have easily left Wilson on the bench and started his "veteran QB" (that the team paid a ton of money for in FA)
Only reason why Carroll has his franchise QB and Fisher doesn't is because Carroll PLAYED his rookie QB

 

[RamsFlash80]

Is this real life? How can any Rams fan defend wanting Fisher to remain HC? How many losing seasons does this guy get?