Jeff Fisher Evaluates Goff With Collin Cowherd

[OC--LeftCoast]

4-5 years and no winning record. Forget the playoffs, I think the Fisher's high water mark was 7-8-1. Too much time hoping, believing, and suffering abject disappointment,year after year. And then after all of that, he played the victim when he got canned (last team meeting). Sorry, he gets no pass from me.

Gaaah, not even going to waste the time over this, I’m very well aware of Fishers record and tenure; sometimes “there’s more to the picture than meets the eye” coulda swore I heard that in a song

Sorry amigo but

Agree to disagree on this one?

 

[Mojo Ram]

Respect. Took us from the sub-basement to the first floor.

 

[Psycho_X]

If only the rest of the people he drafted or signed weren't knucklehead morons and if he hired competent coordinators he may have had some winning records. Unfortunately he failed at that. Good job I guess? I like Fisher, think he can be a good coach if it weren't for his weakness towards knuckleheads and inability to put a coaching staff that can win in today's NFL.

 

[tempests]

This much I know, Snead was hand picked by Fisher

Demoff has always been in on these decisions. Snead was on the Rams list of GM candidates to interview before they hired Fisher.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/foo...cle_3a3e24b4-5530-11e1-b8e5-0019bb30f31a.html

In the earliest days of the Rams' lengthy search for a general manager, Atlanta's Les Snead asked Kevin Demoff:

"Do you think you can get Jeff Fisher? That's a guy I want to work for. That's the opportunity of a lifetime."

The Rams got Fisher. And now Snead has a job as general manager of the Rams in a lengthy process that included nine candidate interviews and took 5 weeks. As last week wound down, the Rams narrowed their list to two finalists, Snead and Minnesota director of player personnel George Paton.

Multiple sources told the Post-Dispatch on Friday that Paton was the front-runner, but at the 11th hour Paton took a promotion - to assistant general manager - and stayed with the Vikings.

So Snead was offered and accepted the job, and the Rams began contract negotiations with him Saturday. The contract should be completed within a day or two, meaning Snead formally will be introduced as Billy Devaney's successor Monday or Tuesday at Rams Park.

Demoff, the Rams' executive vice president of football operations, finessed the front-runner issue, saying, "We had two good candidates, we liked 'em both."

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Demoff has always been in on these decisions. Snead was on the Rams list of GM candidates to interview before they hired Fisher.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/foo...cle_3a3e24b4-5530-11e1-b8e5-0019bb30f31a.html

In the earliest days of the Rams' lengthy search for a general manager, Atlanta's Les Snead asked Kevin Demoff:

"Do you think you can get Jeff Fisher? That's a guy I want to work for. That's the opportunity of a lifetime."

The Rams got Fisher. And now Snead has a job as general manager of the Rams in a lengthy process that included nine candidate interviews and took 5 weeks. As last week wound down, the Rams narrowed their list to two finalists, Snead and Minnesota director of player personnel George Paton.

Multiple sources told the Post-Dispatch on Friday that Paton was the front-runner, but at the 11th hour Paton took a promotion - to assistant general manager - and stayed with the Vikings.

So Snead was offered and accepted the job, and the Rams began contract negotiations with him Saturday. The contract should be completed within a day or two, meaning Snead formally will be introduced as Billy Devaney's successor Monday or Tuesday at Rams Park.

Demoff, the Rams' executive vice president of football operations, finessed the front-runner issue, saying, "We had two good candidates, we liked 'em both."

Well to cut through all the crap, are you insinuating that Fisher didn’t have final say in Snead’s hiring, cuz I sorta thought he did (at the time)

 

[PhillyRam]

Respect. Took us from the sub-basement to the first floor.

And hired Snead.

His biggest issue was he never hired a great offensive mind and his first hire, Schottenhiemer, was only mediocre.

After he left, Fisher's job was viewed as being in danger and Fisher was also viewed as being too hands on, thus no big named assistant was going to go there for a year. So we were stuck with Cignetti, Boras etc...

 

[Merlin]

He's like a grade school girlfriend, gets you to first base and prepped for what comes after.

But I'm with you guys on not hating on him. Seems like a cool MFer, type of dude I'd like to have a cold beer and talk football with. And entrusting his offensive staff isn't his prob either btw, it's poor hires of said offensive staff.

Either way though Fish is a CEO type head coach. Which isn't gonna cut it in the present NFL where your assistants get snapped up so quickly. To do that you must have an elite eye for assistants (he doesn't). Wish him the best, even though he'd love to take over a NFC West rival and win his two games vs us every year.

 

[tempests]

are you insinuating that Fisher didn’t have final say in Snead’s hiring, cuz I sorta thought he did (at the time)

I'm saying that when a prospective coach or GM goes for an interview with a new team there's usually five or six interviewers in the room including the owner. It's a collaborative process. So Fisher didn't "handpick" anybody, they made that decision jointly.

Here's Fisher saying he didn't know Snead had been given an extension. He just didn't have that power within the organization where the decision to hire a GM or extend him was made on his "final say" alone.


View: https://twitter.com/vcsjoecurley/status/806301452830265344?s=20

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

I'm saying that when a prospective coach or GM goes for an interview with a new team there's usually five or six interviewers in the room including the owner. It's a collaborative process. So Fisher didn't "handpick" anybody, they made that decision jointly.

Here's Fisher saying he didn't know Snead had been given an extension. He just didn't have that power within the organization where the decision to hire a GM or extend him was made on his "final say" alone.


View: https://twitter.com/vcsjoecurley/status/806301452830265344?s=20

You’re missing the point

The post above is 100% irrelevant to the beginnings of Snisher

Peace
Out

 

[rams1fan]

I heard part of this on the radio. Still cracks me up him saying something to the effect he signed or drafted 75% of the roster just a couple of wr’s were added.

That and about 7 wins a season were added.

 

[tempests]

You’re missing the point

The post above is 100% irrelevant to the beginnings of Snisher

I can see how the story of how Snead and Fisher started working together could be irrelevant to the story of how Fisher and Snead started working together.

Never hurts to set the record straight.

 

[Ram65]

The Bradford injuries to the bad free agent signings and poor offensive coaching made the Rams limited to being good on defense and special teams. In Fishers case two out of three wasn't good enough. The Rams were always trying to catch up on the offensive side of the ball. Over drafting Austin and Brain Quick to name a couple. Some blame goes to Snead too. Both get credit for drafting solid defensive players and the nucleus of the current offense Goff, Gurley and Havenstein. So Jeff Fisher wasn't all bad. You have to love those defensive battle wins over the Hags. However, there were too many lack luster important winnable games were the Rams came out flat and would lose.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=2510&type=team

Interseting read before the 2017 draft.
https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2016/...fisher-draft-pick-ever-a-draft-history-lesson

 

[Pancake]

Fisher reminds me of myself. I have a accumulated a pretty nice collection of guitars over the years that I can't play worth a crap.

 

[Tano]

If only he didn't hire the worst offensive coordinator in the history of football >> Rob Boras

He is still the tight end coach in the wasteland of Buffalo after 3 years.

That's how terrible Rob Boras was and is

 

[oldnotdead]

The GM runs the draft. The HC and his coordinators have inputs into players in the draft clusters but it is the GM who makes the final decision of who gets drafted when. That's why I laughed when Fisher acts like he drafted these guys. Yes he had input but it's the GM who ultimately makes the call. It's why since Snead took over as GM in 2012 the team has begun to turn itself around. Let's face it, the team was a mess ownership wise and in the FO down through the coaching staff. In 2009 they were what, 1-15 and 2-14 in 2011.

This is what Les inherited when he took over in 2012. Six years after Les took over they are in the Super Bowl and the team is considered to have one of the best rosters in the NFL. That is the difference a top GM makes. Kroenke knows the most important person in the franchise is Snead. I think McVay has a huge input into the types of players he wants, but the drafts are run by Snead. Les has built winning rosters in Jacksonville and Atlanta. His background is scouting and it's why he knows talent when he sees it.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I backed Fishr until he hired Boras/Cignetti for OC duties. At that point I was convinced he was never going to join the present NFL. He was stuck in the past on offense. He'd make a good DC. Nice guy, but he can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

What are the odds Fisher gets another head coaching or maybe DC job in the future? Or is he even interested?

 

[Malibu]

Fisher sucked so bad we got tons of high draft picksa hence some good draft pláyers.

Fishers downfall was Fisher. He was so worried about keeping his job he always hired inferior coaches. Nobel could be HC because too young or underqualified or flat bad coaches.

McVay brought in Komer, Johnson kept Bones and brought in Wade and others who now are running several teams in the NFL.

Fisher OCs were literally terrible and McVay transformed the offence. Fisher was so overrated and i said it for most of his tenure.

Thank gid we have McVay and Company. BTW i seriously doubt Fisher gad anything to do with Hekker or GZ.

 

[FarNorth]

The GM runs the draft. The HC and his coordinators have inputs into players in the draft clusters but it is the GM who makes the final decision of who gets drafted when. That's why I laughed when Fisher acts like he drafted these guys. Yes he had input but it's the GM who ultimately makes the call. It's why since Snead took over as GM in 2012 the team has begun to turn itself around. Let's face it, the team was a mess ownership wise and in the FO down through the coaching staff. In 2009 they were what, 1-15 and 2-14 in 2011.

This is what Les inherited when he took over in 2012. Six years after Les took over they are in the Super Bowl and the team is considered to have one of the best rosters in the NFL. That is the difference a top GM makes. Kroenke knows the most important person in the franchise is Snead. I think McVay has a huge input into the types of players he wants, but the drafts are run by Snead. Les has built winning rosters in Jacksonville and Atlanta. His background is scouting and it's why he knows talent when he sees it.

not to be argumentative, and not to underestimate Snead, but throughout Fisher’s tenure it was consistently reported that he was the final authority on personal. At the least it seems likely it was a collective approach, as I think it probably is also with McVay. But you may know more than I do.

 

[Ramlock]

4-5 years and no winning record. Forget the playoffs, I think the Fisher's high water mark was 7-8-1. Too much time hoping, believing, and suffering abject disappointment,year after year. And then after all of that, he played the victim when he got canned (last team meeting). Sorry, he gets no pass from me.

Shit, nobody gives CJF a pass...most take every opportunity to rip him.

I don’t see anyone giving him a pass.

CJF does get credit for some draft success and moved the football team to LA, part of why he was hired.