Jeanty vs. Penn State, Carter, Warren - anybody watching?

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Henderson averaging more yards per carry and can take it to the house. He is also an underrated receiver. Again they pretty much split carries, but Judkins was good, however, Henderson was better.

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Of course, Henderson is averaging more yards per carry; with less carries than Judkins (by a fair amount), he's bound to average higher than Judkins.

Judkins at Ole Miss and Judkins at Ohio State are different. Ole Miss Judkins was a monster and impossible to contain. Big, elite speed (took it to the house just as often as Henderson at his best), physical as hell, great vision, broke tackles like you wouldn't believe, etc. Judkins wasn't used for receiving, but he was a good pass blocker. I personally think he could do stuff like screens and checkdowns.

I like Henderson, but I love Judkins.

 

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1. They only played three former Pac-10 teams this year (two in conference and one out).
2. They did not play a weak schedule. That is false. They beat three teams that ended up in the CFP, two of which are still alive.
3. Their run defense isn't weak. It's on par with UGA's. According to ESPN, they're #38 in rushing yards allowed. They have at least three NFL DLs (Derrick Harmon, Jordan Burch, and Jamaree Caldwell), and multiple other guys on defense who will play on Sundays.
4. You can't be "exposed" by a team you've beaten. Oregon beat Ohio State earlier in the year. Sometimes, you're the better team. Sometimes, they are. Depends on the day. That's football.
5. They earned their #1 ranking by beating every team on their schedule, including Ohio State and Penn State.
You can keep talking yourself in circles, but these things aren't changing. And yes, you are hating on Jeanty. The fact that you continue to argue he played nobody is a testament to that. (I also have to laugh at the claim that Oregon has a "pedestrian defense" when you just told us that they're ranked in the top 15 in the country. I must point out that they're giving up less yards and points per game than UGA. No sane person would call UGA a "pedestrian defense.")

I wasn't impressed. Granted, his LT played like crap, and his WRs dropped way too many passes. But he didn't do anything to elevate the team imo.

Jrry, my whole point was YOU saying "he ran all over Oregon", to my statement he didn't play anybody. As if Oregon had a good defense. They played 5 games vs teams who finished over .500 (if you don't count that 1AA Powerhouse, Idaho) and against the teams who weren't "pretenders" (read: Illinois), they allowed 35.6 PPG. That's a "good defense"? Their defense benefitted from an offense that scored a lot of points. For gawd sakes, they allowed 208 yards rushing to Purdue. a team that averaged 115 rushing yards per game. Come on JRRY. Jeanty is a stud. I'm not dissing him. I'm dissing your take on Oregon being a tough defense. Good team; great offense; average D....against real competition.

The PAC10 comment wasn't because they played ex-PAC10 teams. It was because the PAC10 is usually weak compared to the Big 10 and SEC. And Oregon had a cupcake Big10 schedule facing 3 teams from the old PAC10, Idaho, Boise, and the bottom of the Big 10. Oregon squeaked by OSU in Eugene, survived a game vs Penn St. and got SMOKED by OSU in a big way. 31, 37 and 41 points allowed. 614 rushing yards allowed on 99 carries, 6.2 ypc. Awesome run D!!!!!

 

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Jrry, my whole point was YOU saying "he ran all over Oregon", to my statement he didn't play anybody. As if Oregon had a good defense. They played 5 games vs teams who finished over .500 (if you don't count that 1AA Powerhouse, Idaho) and against the teams who weren't "pretenders" (read: Illinois), they allowed 35.6 PPG. That's a "good defense"? Their defense benefitted from an offense that scored a lot of points. For gawd sakes, they allowed 208 yards rushing to Purdue. a team that averaged 115 rushing yards per game. Come on JRRY. Jeanty is a stud. I'm not dissing him. I'm dissing your take on Oregon being a tough defense. Good team; great offense; average D....against real competition.

The PAC10 comment wasn't because they played ex-PAC10 teams. It was because the PAC10 is usually weak compared to the Big 10 and SEC. And Oregon had a cupcake Big10 schedule facing 3 teams from the old PAC10, Idaho, Boise, and the bottom of the Big 10. Oregon squeaked by OSU in Eugene, survived a game vs Penn St. and got SMOKED by OSU in a big way. 31, 37 and 41 points allowed. Awesome D!!!!!

L-O-L. You don't get to cherry pick what games count. Oregon's defense is #15 in YPG and #16 PPG. They have one of the best DTs in the country in Derrick Harmon and one of the best DEs in the country in Jordan Burch. You can keep doing mental gymnastics to press some weird grudge against Jeanty, but your arguments aren't tethered to reality. Oregon does not have a pedestrian defense. Oregon did not play a weak schedule. The data directly contradicts your arguments.

 

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L-O-L. You don't get to cherry pick what games count. Oregon's defense is #15 in YPG and #16 PPG. They have one of the best DTs in the country in Derrick Harmon and one of the best DEs in the country in Jordan Burch. You can keep doing mental gymnastics to press some weird grudge against Jeanty, but your arguments aren't tethered to reality. Oregon does not have a pedestrian defense. Oregon did not play a weak schedule. The data directly contradicts your arguments.

I have no "grudge" against Jeanty. I said, he didn't play "anybody" and you said, "oh yes he did. He ran all over Oregon." I don't give a fook if they have 'one of the best DT and DE in the country'. They got smoked on the ground without Jeanty's numbers........when they played legit opponents. Not allowed to cherry pick? In college football? Come on man. Who did they play that was a tough opponent? Ohio St., Penn St. and Boise? Who else? Illinois? LOL.

 

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I have no "grudge" against Jeanty. I said, he didn't play "anybody" and you said, "oh yes he did. He ran all over Oregon." I don't give a fook if they have 'one of the best DT and DE in the country'. They got smoked on the ground without Jeanty's numbers........when they played legit opponents. Not allowed to cherry pick? In college football? Come on man. Who did they play that was a tough opponent? Ohio St., Penn St. and Boise? Who else? Illinois? LOL.

"He didn't play anybody."
"Yes, he did. He played Oregon. They were the #1 team in the country."
"Oregon played a weak schedule."
"No, they didn't. They beat three teams currently ranked in the top 10 and another team ranked in the top 20."
"Oregon had a pedestrian defense."
"No, they didn't. You just told us they were a top 15 defense."
"Oregon got exposed by Ohio State."
"They beat Ohio State earlier this year."
"Oregon's defense sucked in a few games I cherry picked."
"And yet, they were top 20 in both YPG and PPG over the course of the season."

You can keep talking yourself in circles, but you've struck out. Statistics contradict your arguments at every turn. Enjoy your night.

 

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"He didn't play anybody."
"Yes, he did. He played Oregon. They were the #1 team in the country."
"Oregon played a weak schedule."
"No, they didn't. They beat three teams currently ranked in the top 10 and another team ranked in the top 20."
"Oregon had a pedestrian defense."
"No, they didn't. You just told us they were a top 15 defense."
"Oregon got exposed by Ohio State."
"They beat Ohio State earlier this year."
"Oregon's defense sucked in a few games I cherry picked."
"And yet, they were top 20 in both YPG and PPG over the course of the season."

You can keep talking yourself in circles, but you've struck out. Statistics contradict your arguments at every turn. Enjoy your night.

Didn't Jabbar Muhammad (a.k.a., the best slot corner in the 2025 class), also transfer to Oregon and play for them? That's another outstanding player for them who would play at the line of scrimmage.

Oregon's defense was outstanding this year. Just because they lost to Ohio State in the finals doesn't discount what they did this whole year.

 

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As for teams that Jeanty ran over, Oregon was one of them. He gashed them for 192 yards and three touchdowns. Washington State was a good team (8-5), and he ran over them for 259 yards and four touchdowns. UNLV played them twice, and they ended up ranked #20 in the nation. 128 yards and a touchdown the first game, and upped it in the Championship game against them with 209 yards and a touchdown.

Jeanty didn't play the best schedule, but you play with what you've got against whom you're playing. Don't discount this year for Jeanty; he played his ass off and should've won the Heisman.

EDIT: And UNLV won their games on the strength of their defense; their quarterback left for another school in the middle of the season (and it was all their fault and could've been avoided if they had simply paid the kid what they already owed him). Not sure about Washington State, but I'm sure they had their stars on defense as well; you can't go 8-5 just on offensive skill.

 

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"He didn't play anybody."
"Yes, he did. He played Oregon. They were the #1 team in the country."
"Oregon played a weak schedule."
"No, they didn't. They beat three teams currently ranked in the top 10 and another team ranked in the top 20."
"Oregon had a pedestrian defense."
"No, they didn't. You just told us they were a top 15 defense."
"Oregon got exposed by Ohio State."
"They beat Ohio State earlier this year."
"Oregon's defense sucked in a few games I cherry picked."
"And yet, they were top 20 in both YPG and PPG over the course of the season."

You can keep talking yourself in circles, but you've struck out. Statistics contradict your arguments at every turn. Enjoy your night.

Okay JRRY, they were awesome. They were ranked #1 so they must have been. They had an awesome defense because 2 future NFL lineman played for them. Probably future All Pros.

I'm just having a hard time understanding how a team with a great offense, who had an average halftime lead of 12 pts could give up that many yards on the ground. 130 per game. And like you said, Jeanty ran all over them. When I watched Penn St. (Allen and Singleton had 229 yards on 24 carries; 9.5 per) and Ohio St. (Henderson and Judkins had 179 yards on 25 carries; 7.2) run all over them too, putting up 78 points, I thought, "well their defense is not that good after all". They did play the pass well, so there's that. But what do I know? I certainly shouldn't believe my lying eyes. And though the stats say, when they met a good team on their schedule, they allowed A LOT of points, I shouldn't pay any attention to that because their offense scored more.

Awesome defense. Obviously, their playoff loss was a fluke.

 

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Didn't Jabbar Muhammad (a.k.a., the best slot corner in the 2025 class), also transfer to Oregon and play for them? That's another outstanding player for them who would play at the line of scrimmage.

Oregon's defense was outstanding this year. Just because they lost to Ohio State in the finals doesn't discount what they did this whole year.

Outstanding is a bit generous a term imo. PSU rushed for 292 yards against them. Thats not great defense.

 

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Outstanding is a bit generous a term imo. PSU rushed for 292 yards against them. Thats not great defense.

Penn St. 297 (8.7)
Boise 221 (6.7)
Purdue 208 (5.2)
Ohio St. 181 (5.8)

But it was more than the rushing yards. 37 pts to PSU, 34 pts to Boise and 41 to OSU. That's an average of 37 PPG to those 3. That is not a great defense. Coupled with the rushing yards, it's pedestrian.