funny how people on this board pushing keenum and bortles for MVP but Goffs numbers are way better and no mention at all for him.
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bluecoconuts
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fearsomefour
Legend
If you go by other things besides straight numbers....what a player (always QB it seems) means to their team this year a lot of guy can make the case. Including Cam and Keenum.
fearsomefour
Legend
Part of it is the Vikings season appeared lost and Keenum is playing way beyond expectations. Goff is doing what he was expected to do.
And as Bluecoconut said, Gurley probably gets the nod over Goff for MVP.
I would say our qb means more to the rams than any of those guys listed. I see what your saying but jared has better numbers than those guys, and is won his division. Either way I say gurley should be a lock for MVP but Goff has out played keenum , Cam, and Wilson .
bluecoconuts
Legend
For those wondering, if he were to have the same output as the later half of a season for an entire season that's:
4768 yards 43-44 TD's and 6-7 picks.
Little off there, Blue. I think you calculated that second half for 7 games. That’s in 8. So it’s more like 4,100 yards 38 touchdowns 6 INTs.
Florida_Ram
Hall of Fame
I disagree with many of you criticizing running QBs and the irrelevancy of QBR. Just think about all those SBs running QBs have won with the likes of Colin Kaepernick, Michael Vick, Tony Banks, Randall Cunningham, Dante Culpepper, and Vince Young. Thank goodness they set the stage for Wilson and his 1 SB win.
bluecoconuts
Legend
You're right, I forgot our bye week wasn't at the halfway point.
We'll just say I'm adding a little extra for that extra experience then.
4000 yards passing would be sweet. It's a common reachable goal....
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One factor that QBR includes in it's ranking is...a quarterbacks performance versus the type/quality of opponent....QB stats vs the Browns are not valued as highly as say, against the Jags....
I haven't dug into it enough to see how relevant it is....
but I could always go to the fallback...espn has expert statisticians...that know A LOT more than you guys and your lying eyes....so it MUST be true....LOLOLOL
I'm gonna be pickin on you oleschool.....esp. since I realize we tied for top ROD $$$$ in 2016...after some bogus reset of the $$$$ when I was gonna win....LOLOOLOLOL
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QBR? 31.1.....
Can we finally be done with this random BS non-statistic?
One factor that QBR includes in it's ranking is...a quarterbacks performance versus the type/quality of opponent....QB stats vs the Browns are not valued as highly as say, against the Jags....
I haven't dug into it enough to see how relevant it is....
but I could always go to the fallback...espn has expert statisticians...that know A LOT more than you guys and your lying eyes....so it MUST be true....LOLOLOL
I'm gonna be pickin on you oleschool.....esp. since I realize we tied for top ROD $$$$ in 2016...after some bogus reset of the $$$$ when I was gonna win....LOLOOLOLOL
4000 yrds season and 30 tds is quite the season. It's been a pleasure to watch him throw it this year.
I agree. But I like that we are flying under the radar. Our guys have a chip on their shoulder and I like that
you mean Goff the bust? that's what was expected of him by most so I'm not sure what you are saying here. about half the QB's in the league could do what keenum is doing on that team.
I'll make my suggestion again put the crack pipe down before you hurt yourself
Also QBR is the second worst stat in the NFL there is no defending it at all.
fearsomefour
Legend
He was the first pick of the draft. Only a fool would think he was a bust after seven starts. A guy is drafted first overall to excel, to be a top performer at his position. That is what is expected of a guy taken first over all....otherwise he wouldn't be taken first overal.
That's what I mean.
You can believe that about Keenum if you want. Reason would say it's not true. But this will lead to the predictable circular arguement that always comes when discussing QBs and it means little.
Good point. He's already a good QB, but yes his best years are ahead of him no doubt. Right now he's probably 10x better a QB than he was in week one of this very season. His growth game to game is amazing.
And best of all is that he's showed that improvement and played well statistically--i.e. not throwing INTs--against an extremely tough schedule in the second half.
The kid is 23 and playoff ready.
bluecoconuts
Legend
I'll make my suggestion again put the crack pipe down before you hurt yourself
Also QBR is the second worst stat in the NFL there is no defending it at all.
QBR was invented by Trent Dilfer to make the Trent Dilfers of the NFL not look like shit.
If running was so important Tebow wouldn't have been bounced so quickly. You need to be able to throw to play in this league, and throw from the pocket.