Elmgrovegnome
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That he ever played a snap in the NFL angers me. He was so fucking bad...WTH~ Tony Banks
It's one of those zombie questions that you CANNOT kill!!!Haven’t we debated this very question to death?
Conversely, Stafford led the league in INT and they still won a SB
Turnovers werent Goff's issue, he just didnt have that killer instinct that Stafford has
Not many do
Would have loved to have beaten the Pats in the SB but all things considered it worked out best the way it did
Goff hit his absolute ceiling during the 2018 season, the KC masterpiece the final bow
He's never been near that level ever since, never will again
It doesnt matter, Josh Allen led the league in turnovers tooYou are forgetting about the fumbles. Every time he got touched in the backfield, the ball was on the ground those two years. They don't show up in the passer rating, but they certainly do effect the outcome of the games.
It actually DOES matter when he lost 9 fumbles in those two seasons.It doesnt matter, Josh Allen led the league in turnovers too
Again, the turnovers werent Goff's issue, he just doesnt have the killer instinct that the elite qb's have
It's one of those zombie questions that you CANNOT kill!!!
Suh or Bradford? ~ @Allen2McVayIt's one of those zombie questions that you CANNOT kill!!!
We need a "Let's Beat a Dead Horse" thread where posters can keep debating these old arguments. Or at least rename this one so we know where to go when we are bored.Haven’t we debated this very question to death?
My favorite player from that period of floundering the QB desert was Jamie Martin.Or ... perhaps a robust Gus Frerotte vs. Keith Null debate!
I know what everyone is thinking ... If we do that, @Loyal will just start talking about Kellen Clemens again.
You just want a cool new hangout spot.We need a "Let's Beat a Dead Horse" thread where posters can keep debating these old arguments. Or at least rename this one so we know where to go when we are bored.
Exactly, it wasnt the 20 turnovers he had, it's what he did when he wasnt turning it over. That makes Stafford special.Stafford threw 17 INTs in 2021, which was a lot, but he threw 41 TDs that year. More than a 2 to 1 ratio.
His turnovers were back breakers. They always came at the worst time.Exactly, it wasnt the 20 turnovers he had, it's what he did when he wasnt turning it over. That makes Stafford special.
Those 2 seasons we amongst Goff's worst, because he also had amongst his lowest td%
Not really understanding the argument here, Goff wasnt it and Stafford most certainly is. If Staff turns it over, its no big deal because we trust he'll make up for it.
We need a "Let's Beat a Dead Horse" thread where posters can keep debating these old arguments. Or at least rename this one so we know where to go when we are bored.
I will say if the new Detroit center plays like Blythe - Goff will be in big trouble.I’m rather enjoying it. I let myself forget just how bad Goff was in 2019 and 2020. It’s a reminder of how much better off we are as Rams fans with Stafford. Plus it gives me new hope that the Rams pass rush will bring old Goff back, the next time they play.
His lack of scoring production was a bigger issue. 20 turnovers isnt as big a deal if 30 td are produced. A guy has 600+ pass attempts, he's got to have more than 20 tdHis turnovers were back breakers. They always came at the worst time.
I’d say that what caused him to have so many turnovers is also what caused him to not score many points. They go hand in hand.His lack of scoring production was a bigger issue. 20 turnovers isnt as big a deal if 30 td are produced. A guy has 600+ pass attempts, he's got to have more than 20 td
Josh Allen leads the league most years in turnovers, but backs it up with TD
That's a silly statement. He went from 30 td passes per season to 21 while his turnovers went from 14 per season to 19I’d say that what caused him to have so many turnovers is also what caused him to not score many points. They go hand in hand.