I'm just giddy

[fearsomefour]

The safeties need to improve. It's a problem. At this point I'd move Rapp into the box with Young and pair them as our ILBs on a permanent basis. Then I'd start Juju at FS. Laugh all you want, but his instincts and ability to break on the ball in PRESEASON games may translate. It's worth a shot IMO.

Looking at snap count it appears the D backfield is set.
Who knows? Things may change.
Rapp was very good in the role a couple of years ago.
I did notice Young communicating with Rapp A LOT during pre snap.
Directing him where to go on a lot of plays.
The guy doesn’t seem very confident in his role in this defense.
Hopefully, with reps that gets better and with confidence (no little delays in reaction) his cover improves.
I don’t think it’s an athletic issue with Rapp but him being comfortable/confident in his role.
It will be interesting to see as the season moves along if we see others getting more time.

 

[Loyal]

You can use stats to prove whatever you want. The philosophy is Bend Don't Break and it's a conscious choice by Raheem Morris. The idea, which Jourdan Rodrige explains in her latest 11 Man podcast, that there is no way to shut down Tom Brady. He will get his, but the key for the TEAM is the synchronicity between the offense and defense. Our offense scores a shyte ton of points, quickly. Make Tom Brady accept long drives and put pressure on him, which they did. They frustrated the crap out of him, This is a great defense because they chose what they allowed Brady to have: few if any big plays, and let him gain yards in slower way. This defense doesn't work so well if your own offense isn't scoring points, like in the Fisher days. I like more shut down defense as well, but I understand what they are trying to do. Yes, those 400+ by Brady were mostly meaningless.

 

[Big Game]

My Biggest issue with the defense this year is constantly seeing Ramsey on the blitz. Hellooooo he is your best cover corner you don't need to blitz him and leave the lesser corners playing 1 on 1 against very good WR's. Change that aspect of the defense and a little less of the off coverage and we will be fine.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I will agree with you on & about our offense Rams can easily go four wideouts against any team having corner injury issues & win almost all battles.....However, the Rams secondary will be the Rams' Achilles heel in big games.

Fuller Rapp Williams Long Scott as a group have turned in very poor games if not for the DL & LB'ers great efforts the Rams would be a 1-2 team at this point in time.

Missing JJ more than most Rod members thought. So many felt that we had the safeties to cover the loss. Fuller is a good 7th round pick but he is no John Johnson.

 

[OldSchool]

Bucs and Angels.......sweet mother of all things holy.
Let me guess....likes the clippers too?
That’s a sus dude.

Nah pretty sure he's a Lakers fan like me but we both gave up on the NBA ages ago, last time I followed it Shaq was a Laker. He did the same thing I did for the NFL the first game he watched he picked a team and stuck with them so he's a Buc's fan.

 

[majrleaged]

Looking at snap count it appears the D backfield is set.
Who knows? Things may change.
Rapp was very good in the role a couple of years ago.
I did notice Young communicating with Rapp A LOT during pre snap.
Directing him where to go on a lot of plays.
The guy doesn’t seem very confident in his role in this defense.
Hopefully, with reps that gets better and with confidence (no little delays in reaction) his cover improves.
I don’t think it’s an athletic issue with Rapp but him being comfortable/confident in his role.
It will be interesting to see as the season moves along if we see others getting more time.

Rapp did shoot the gap on one of the plays in the goal line stand against Colts. He does have good instincts when he plays in the box.

 

[bubbaramfan]

 

[majrleaged]

My Biggest issue with the defense this year is constantly seeing Ramsey on the blitz. Hellooooo he is your best cover corner you don't need to blitz him and leave the lesser corners playing 1 on 1 against very good WR's. Change that aspect of the defense and a little less of the off coverage and we will be fine.

This is what I've been saying from the beginning of the season. He affects the game best when he shuts down a receiver. Part of that is because when he is not doing that it requires the other less capable corners to cover his receiver. Other players can blitz with great results, but there is no one on the team that can take away a teams best receiver. This is a big mistake by Morris and will bite us in the ass at some point. I also hate the philosophy of Tom is going to get his. The more plays by our D, the more chance of injury.

 

[majrleaged]

Missing JJ more than most Rod members thought. So many felt that we had the safeties to cover the loss. Fuller is a good 7th round pick but he is no John Johnson.

I think it has more to do with Morris's philosophy. Williams isn't the same. Fuller isn't the same. Why is that? It's not because JJ isn't here.
Morris isn't satisfied to just come in and do what worked. He has to show how smart he is. He wants to fix what wasn't broke so he can go get his HC job.

 

[bwdenverram]

Nah pretty sure he's a Lakers fan like me but we both gave up on the NBA ages ago, last time I followed it Shaq was a Laker. He did the same thing I did for the NFL the first game he watched he picked a team and stuck with them so he's a Buc's fan.

You gonna watch them this year OldSchool? I'm a huge laker fan and we got the Hall Of Fame Team this year Well from 10 years ago anyway lol

 

[OldSchool]

You gonna watch them this year OldSchool? I'm a huge laker fan and we got the Hall Of Fame Team this year Well from 10 years ago anyway lol

I can't watch the NBA game anymore ever since they stopped actually officiating the game.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think it has more to do with Morris's philosophy. Williams isn't the same. Fuller isn't the same. Why is that? It's not because JJ isn't here.
Morris isn't satisfied to just come in and do what worked. He has to show how smart he is. He wants to fix what wasn't broke so he can go get his HC job.

It could be. I agree that they are asking more of Williams. Hopefully not too much. He had a breakout year just last year. I’d say keep it simple but they have him alternating with Ramsey at the Star position.

Fuller has garnered much praise for his football intelligence. His brain may not be the problem. I think he looks too slow on the field. Rapp has never been good in coverage. It’s not his game. He’s a box safety. Nick Scott has the athleticism but he only played Safety in his last year at Penn state. He’s the opposite of Fuller. He’s fast but he’s just not as instinctive. Burgess is a mystery. He looked the part in limited play last year. He talked the talk this summer. But where is he? I thought he could be key in bridging the gap after losing JJ and Hill.

One other area of Morris’ scheme that I do agree with you on is that he is blitzing more. That can make things confusing when it comes to learning a newish scheme and how coverage responsibilities change on those plays.

 

[BonifayRam]

Well still waiting on all the hype about Burgees.I thought you were saying at some point he was The Rams backup CB? I recall some in the board posting with those thoughts?

I’ll just stay with Williams,Rapp & Fuller. They may not be the best in The NFL but between those 3 players they have a total of 38 tackles in the last 2 GAMES. 59 tackles for the season,so I think a ling the line of bend & don’t break they are making a lot of plays.
In Raheem Morris he is asking a lot from them.Cover skills could be better,but a long the line of player development Williams is making $16 million this season & next season The Rams will be looking to develop another CB to replace him.
A comp pick should be what The Rams will earn for his service as a Ram.

Don't believe there was any hype being tossed on Terrell Burgess.

What I observed was a very good rookie DB with well balanced in his skills backpack & was able to cover most any receiver. That injury to his foot & ankle was nothing to make light of. It may take him till next season to fully recover from that injury.

Yes, I did post that I did not like David Long as a starting corner & still don't like him as our starting corner.

No, I did not ever say Burgess was the Ram's best reserve corner, what I did say was before the injury took place that Burgess was more than capable of being the Rams Nickle-Back with CB's Williams & Ramsey in 2021. However, that position as we all know has been taken by Ramsey & they call it the star position with Long & Williams routinely taking the outside corner positions.

More of my 2 cents here...Darious Williams would look to me to be trending the wrong way in order to be expecting another team, let alone the Rams to provide him a $16 mil a year contract. Not going to happen when you have a CB named Robert Rochell on your roster!

 

[oldnotdead]

I did notice Young communicating with Rapp A LOT during pre snap.
Directing him where to go on a lot of plays.
The guy doesn’t seem very confident in his role in this defense.

Hmmm well lets see. Fuller may be the green dot player, but at ILB it's Young who is playing the MIKE at the position. Rapp is playing as the second ILB and Young is simply setting the ILB alignment according to what he sees from the offense. Against the Bucs Raheem was playing a dime-heavy scheme where he played 3 safeties and an extra CB. It has nothing to do with Rapp's confidence and everything to do with unit communication. Rapp is a SS who is in the safety room for game prep. It's logical he will get his alignment instructions from Young who sets Rapp according to what he sees as an ILB in this scheme.

It was clear that Morris decided he couldn't stop everything. So he took away the run and deep strikes. That left a lot of the short and intermediate stuff uncontested. He doesn't disguise the coverage per se but he changes how it's played. That is the part that made Brady hold the ball a bit longer when they were going for a deep strike and it wasn't there.

 

[So Ram]

Don't believe there was any hype being tossed on Terrell Burgess.

What I observed was a very good rookie DB with well balanced in his skills backpack & was able to cover most any receiver. That injury to his foot & ankle was nothing to make light of. It may take him till next season to fully recover from that injury.

Yes, I did post that I did not like David Long as a starting corner & still don't like him as our starting corner.

No, I did not ever say Burgess was the Ram's best reserve corner, what I did say was before the injury took place that Burgess was more than capable of being the Rams Nickle-Back with CB's Williams & Ramsey in 2021. However, that position as we all know has been taken by Ramsey & they call it the star position with Long & Williams routinely taking the outside corner positions.

More of my 2 cents here...Darious Williams would look to me to be trending the wrong way in order to be expecting another team, let alone the Rams to provide him a $16 mil a year contract. Not going to happen when you have a CB named Robert Rochell on your roster!

All good. Next week is another test.
Tyler Rapp & his cut off jersey is a joke. Just not a Fan of that style.

 

[Kupped]

I think we may be dismissing recovering from injury when it comes to Burgess and, to a lesser extent, Williams.

Williams hurt his ankle in camp and may not be quite 100%. But I have faith in him.

 

[fearsomefour]

Hmmm well lets see. Fuller may be the green dot player, but at ILB it's Young who is playing the MIKE at the position. Rapp is playing as the second ILB and Young is simply setting the ILB alignment according to what he sees from the offense. Against the Bucs Raheem was playing a dime-heavy scheme where he played 3 safeties and an extra CB. It has nothing to do with Rapp's confidence and everything to do with unit communication. Rapp is a SS who is in the safety room for game prep. It's logical he will get his alignment instructions from Young who sets Rapp according to what he sees as an ILB in this scheme.

It was clear that Morris decided he couldn't stop everything. So he took away the run and deep strikes. That left a lot of the short and intermediate stuff uncontested. He doesn't disguise the coverage per se but he changes how it's played. That is the part that made Brady hold the ball a bit longer when they were going for a deep strike and it wasn't there.

That’s a good explanation of Rapps apparent confusion.
Not a bad thing by the way.
Usually can’t take away everything.
The Rams also benefitted from not having Brown out there.

 

[Rams43]

I think it has more to do with Morris's philosophy. Williams isn't the same. Fuller isn't the same. Why is that? It's not because JJ isn't here.
Morris isn't satisfied to just come in and do what worked. He has to show how smart he is. He wants to fix what wasn't broke so he can go get his HC job.

Sadly, I agree that Morris’ philosophy is the source of some apparent struggles in our secondary.

Rule #1 in almost any strategy is to NOT ‘fix what’s not broke’. Yet it appears as if that’s kinda what Morris is pursuing. This soft zone crap is giving me an ulcer.

The result seems to be a lessening of the possible effectiveness of multiple players in our secondary with the obvious exception of Ramsey. Fuller, DW, Long, and even Rapp could be devastating in a more aggressive and deceptive Staley type scheme.

And btw, what the hell is going on with Burgess? Lingering injury issues? I was stunned when he failed to beat out Rapp as starter.

 

[majrleaged]

Sadly, I agree that Morris’ philosophy is the source of some apparent struggles in our secondary.

Rule #1 in almost any strategy is to NOT ‘fix what’s not broke’. Yet it appears as if that’s kinda what Morris is pursuing. This soft zone crap is giving me an ulcer.

The result seems to be a lessening of the possible effectiveness of multiple players in our secondary with the obvious exception of Ramsey. Fuller, DW, Long, and even Rapp could be devastating in a more aggressive and deceptive Staley type scheme.

And btw, what the hell is going on with Burgess? Lingering injury issues? I was stunned when he failed to beat out Rapp as starter.

I think he is still not 100% back from injury. Unless of course the change in D has affected him the most.

 

[Shuie3225]

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