Hue Jackson out as Head Coach/Hired by Bengals

[LesBaker]

1. Doug Marrone came from Syracuse to Buffalo & Jacksonville and has a winning record, albeit, he was an NFL Assistant too.
2. Pete Carroll, reinvented himself at USC and then parlayed that into another opportunity in the NFL.
3. Tom Coughlin, came right from Boston College to Jacksonville and then the New York Football Giants.
4. Jim Harbaugh, did really well with the San Francisco 49ers coming from Stanford before moving on to his Alma-Mater.

In the past there were some successes like Bill Walsh (Stanford), John Robinson (USC), Don Coryell (San Diego State), and our very own Richard Albert "Dick" Vermeil. And the first man to do was Paul Brown, who came from Ohio State!

That's a mixed bag @den-the-coach.

Harbaugh is borderline to me but alright that could go either way. Coughlin for sure and I didn't realize he didn't have NFL experience before the job with JAX, I thought he was with the Giants as an assistant or whatever. Marrone was an OC in New Orleans under Payton for a few years, and is on the hot seat right now. Carroll had a lot of NFL experience as we know.

Walsh had about a decade in the NFL before he went to Stanford.

It's happened in a few cases, but it's too rare when you consider how many have flopped it's a bigger risk than someone who understand the ins and outs of the NFL. Some of those guys cane into the league before color TV's were common!

 

[Selassie I]

I, for one, have never been impressed with HJ.....at least as a head coach. This years Hard Knocks just affirmed that. Dude is all ego and bluster in front of his staff, yet does not hold players accountable. He came off as a total fan boy of his star players. It was emburrsin' to watch......

So true. I couldn't believe my eyes when I watched what was going on in front of the camera on Hard Knocks. I kept saying... this is worse than fiction.

That franchise needs a real leader at the very top but I don't see that happening under the current ownership. In the meantime, they need to start with a complete franchise enema. That shit is dysfunctional beyond belief.

 

[den-the-coach]

That's a mixed bag

It's happened in a few cases, but it's too rare when you consider how many have flopped it's a bigger risk than someone who understand the ins and outs of the NFL. Some of those guys cane into the league before color TV's were common!

Just as many if not more Coordinators have flopped, there is no way to be sure on who is going to be successful, even rehires as for every Bill Belichick, there are a ton of Marion Campbell's, Eric Mangini's & even our very own Wade Phillips. In the end, it depends on the guy, the only issue with College Head Coaches is, when you bring them to the NFL, they might want to go back to college, like a Chip Kelly & Nick Saban besides many others.

I believe there are not enough "Hot Coordinators." for hire right now, but maybe others will get opportunities who have been Head Coaches before like Jim Schwartz of Philadelphia for example....But it has been a while since the NFL has tried College so I could see someone like Lincoln Riley of Oklahoma, Matt Campbell of Iowa State or even Brian Kelly of Notre Dame getting interviews, just to post a few.[/USER]

 

[LesBaker]

Just as many if not more Coordinators have flopped, there is no way to be sure on who is going to be successful, even rehires as for every Bill Belichick, there are a ton of Marion Campbell's, Eric Mangini's & even our very own Wade Phillips. In the end, it depends on the guy, the only issue with College Head Coaches is, when you bring them to the NFL, they might want to go back to college, like a Chip Kelly & Nick Saban besides many others.

I believe there are not enough "Hot Coordinators." for hire right now, but maybe others will get opportunities who have been Head Coaches before like Jim Schwartz of Philadelphia for example....But it has been a while since the NFL has tried College so I could see someone like Lincoln Riley of Oklahoma, Matt Campbell of Iowa State or even Brian Kelly of Notre Dame getting interviews, just to post a few.[/USER]

Yes I agree plenty of hot coordinators also flop, I just prefer a guy with some experience in the game.

And I agree there doesn't seem to be any potential stars available for the vacant spot, and the ones that will happen at the end of the year. More will be coming it happens every year.

 

[den-the-coach]

And I agree there doesn't seem to be any potential stars available for the vacant spot, and the ones that will happen at the end of the year. More will be coming it happens every year.

Many are on the hot seat and some you don't see coming. John Harbaugh for example, if the Ravens miss the playoffs could be let go and then rehired immediately. Jason Garrett could go as well like others....Another assistant to get a shot will be the assistant head coach and tight ends coach of the New Orleans Saints Dan Campbell. He was 5-7 with his stint with the Dolphins as interim Head Coach I could see him landing in some low profile areas like Cincinnati if they finally part ways with Marvin Lewis or Arizona if they actually admit their mistake in the hiring of Steve Wilks.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Paul DePodesta’s latest algorithm will get Cleveland back on track!

 

[Mackeyser]

He's been promoted and demoted a few times in his career for a reason..........he's not that good. He's well connected enough to get another job though I'd bet.

I wouldn't touch him.

Well, you KNOW my feelings about Fisher. I wouldn't let him near a football.

I'm just saying that with his connections and what Cleveland wants to do, Fisher actually wouldn't be a bad candidate.

AND, he has a way of beating division opponents with better rosters much like we did with the Seahawks and 49ers.

Since it's highly unlikely Cleveland is gonna get the next McVay, it's not really incorrect that they could do a lot worse than Fisher.

That said, I hope he stays fishing.

 

[-X-]

Well, you KNOW my feelings about Fisher. I wouldn't let him near a football.

I'm just saying that with his connections and what Cleveland wants to do, Fisher actually wouldn't be a bad candidate.

AND, he has a way of beating division opponents with better rosters much like we did with the Seahawks and 49ers.

Since it's highly unlikely Cleveland is gonna get the next McVay, it's not really incorrect that they could do a lot worse than Fisher.

That said, I hope he stays fishing.

I seriously doubt he makes a comeback. But, that said, you have to wonder if it would be a condition of his employment that he stay the hell away from the offense and allow the GM to pick & hire the offensive coordinator. Then again, it's the Browns we're talking about. They'd probably give him autonomy and allow him to be his own GM.

 

[VegasRam]

So true. I couldn't believe my eyes when I watched what was going on in front of the camera on Hard Knocks. I kept saying... this is worse than fiction.

That franchise needs a real leader at the very top but I don't see that happening under the current ownership. In the meantime, they need to start with a complete franchise enema. That crap is dysfunctional beyond belief.

And unfortunately, we would know.

 

[Merlin]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-jackson-browns-decision-to-fire-me-premature

Hue Jackson: Browns' decision to fire me 'premature'

Hue Jackson says he wasn't totally blindsided by the Cleveland Browns firing him but characterized the decision as "premature" since he didn't get a real chance to prove what he could accomplish with an improved roster.

Speaking to Mary Kay Cabot of The Plain Dealer, Jackson expressed confidence he could have fixed the team's offensive woes and that the Browns put up better performances than their two-win record indicated.

"We had a lot of football left, were 2-5-1 with a rookie QB, left tackle, already played Pittsburgh twice, beat Baltimore, and could have easily been 3-4-1 if the first down isn't taken back (in Oakland). The fact that we played four overtime games says that we were a better football team.

"In my mind, if we fix the offense -- it's a totally different story. So I do believe the move was premature. But I think a part of the problem again went back to the first two years."

Jackson believes one of the biggest reasons for the team's sluggish start was the front office's decision to have him give up play-calling duties. Jackson believes if he could have turned around the team's offensive woes if he was calling plays instead of offensive coordinator Todd Haley, who also was fired Monday.

"You look at our numbers with me calling the offense [in 2016, 2017) with less talent," Jackson said. "Our numbers this year were the same or worse than our numbers last year with better players on offense. So it was already tough for me to give up play-calling when I knew more talent was on the way with [general manager] John Dorsey on board. Of course, I wanted to remind everybody what a Hue Jackson-led offense looks like, but I felt they wanted me to focus on coaching the whole team and let someone else call the plays.

"If you're going to go out, you always go out betting on yourself. I knew that I would've taken our same system and turned the offense around. It was not what I wanted to do, it's what I had to do. .. So I was surprised that I was not given the opportunity to display what I could do as a play-caller with a much more talented offensive roster."

Jackson's two-and-a-half-year run in Cleveland ended with a disastrous 3-36-1 record (.088 winning percentage), including last year's 0-16 debacle. Jackson got another chance to turn things around, but the team's poor start and struggles on offense started to be a point of contention within the team.

While Browns owner Jimmy Haslam told reporters earlier this week that "internal discord" was one of the reasons for the decision to part ways with its head coach and offensive coordinator, Jackson said he "didn't perceive internal discord." Instead, he believes the Browns coaching staff was under immense pressure to show improvement with a No. 1 overall pick leading the offense.

"I believe the message the organization was trying to convey with that was that the success of the organization depends on the success of their future franchise QB in Baker Mayfield. So with the offense not playing well, and me stating that I would look to help out the offense -- we were not trending in the direction you would like to see for the development of your No. 1 over pick.

"So I get that they had a tough decision to make and they felt they did what was in the best interest of the organization going forward. Now in regard to some of the other media stuff about internal things being a mess and losing the players -- none of that is accurate at all."

Be sure to check out Cabot's entire interview with Jackson.

 

[Adi]

Read a report this morning , hugh wanted to draft Wentz but the team wanted to trade the pick .

Hugh was a horrible leader but if that is true he was set up to fail , the owner needs to just sell the team and start all over .

 

[kurtfaulk]

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Browns OC Freddie Kitchens is expected to use more spread packages with Baker Mayfield.

The Browns fired Hue Jackson and ex-OC Todd Haley for not building their offense to Mayfield's strengths. Cleveland plans to incorporate some of the Air Raid schemes Mayfield ran at Oklahoma with their move to Kitchens, who comes from the passy-heavy Bruce Arians tree. Mayfield's ROS outlook is slightly up after the Browns' coaching shuffle. There's high-scoring potential in Mayfield's Week 9 matchup with the Chiefs.


Source: Akron Beacon-Journal
Nov 3 - 1:13 PM

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hmmm, so hue and haley went all jeff fisher on mayfield. unwilling to change their offense to help their hopeful franchise rookie qb out by making him comfortable on the field. just like fisher and boringas they were shown the door before the season finished.

not that it matters but jared will always be tainted by fisher's stench with regards to his play. i am so sick of hearing idiot talking heads saying he was a colossal bust his rookie year. he was a rookie, he was playing for jeff fisher, his oc was some bland fucker that didn't know what he was doing, his qb coach was more interested in where the sun rose than teaching him how to be a nfl qb. fisher refused to dumb down his offense for the rookie or play to jared's strengths. jared had to spit out 12 to 15 words in the huddle. 12 to 15 words. for a rookie. and then by the time they got to the line of scrimmage the opposing dc already knew what they were doing.

despite all this, all these fuckwits that have airtime expected goff to look like a seasoned pro. when he didn't he was a bust in their fucked up eyes. fuckwits. so he's shit, was beyond help and mcvay is a miracle worker. never mind that jared got actual nfl level coaching for the first time in a real nfl offense with a real nfl oc and qb coach. never mind that players get better naturally due to good coaching. never mind that goff was working to get better. it's all a miracle. fuckwits.

ah man, i started rambling again. that's what these fuckwits do to me.

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[Prime Time]

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[Q729]

My brother in law is a huge Giants fan. I told him when they hired Murmur that he was worse than Macadoofus.

I don't know why that cracks me up every time I see him referred to that.

And "bland fucker..." fucking awesome.

 

[RhodyRams]

Cincy just needs info on how to tie the Steelers

 

[Dodgersrf]

I'm surprised he crashed and burned. He did a really nice job with the Raiders years ago, but it seems like his problems are a lack of accountability and a huge ego.

Hard to imagine a guy having a bigger ego than T. Haley.
That combo had to be toxic

 

[Adi]

HORRIBLE head coach, but he did some nice things with that Bengals offense a few years ago . He might have a spot as an NFL oc but please no more head coaching for Hugh.

If he does coach again, please be on hard knocks because that was very entertaining . Looked like a 18 year old manager with too much power .

 

[den-the-coach]

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Wow, Hue's going to be fired twice by both Ohio teams in less than a year as Marvin Lewis is on his way out in Cincinnati IMHO.