How well Jimmy Garoppolo must perform to live up to his enormous contract with 49ers

[OldSchool]

Actually, the Giants defense did step up. Big time. The Colts defense did for the first two games, laid an egg with the Pats and came back against Chicago. The Saint held against the Cardinals, not so much the Vikings and of course did well against the Colts. But the point is, what happened to all those teams after they won? Ravens offense went down to crap. The defense stayed up. Like I keep saying. Yes, as a team you can do it for one year. Maybe two, but if you want to keep winning................


I find it funny that so many want to discount my historical numbers on one hand and then turn around and say, "well they did it last year so I'm not worried about it." Citing their own one year of history.

I think where you’ll run into opposition is a hardline stance that this is the only way to do something. There are always exceptions and one offs. Generally it takes a good team in all three phases to win it all. It’s not the only way hence these defenses stepping up to win it. Look at last year, during the regular season were were mediocre to bad. Nobody thought we’d shut down any of our post season opponents. Quite the opposite actually.

 

[dieterbrock]

And yet historically, since 1960, if a team A holds team B to 19 points or less they have an 85% chance of winning. That hasn't changed. Oh, it goes up and down about 2-3% over the years. But it pretty much holds true year in and year out. But that isn't relevant apparently.

You want to talk about what's relevant. Tell me, how is it that New England has been in 9 of the last 18 Super Bowls?

You just answered your own question.
Current trends are more appropriate than elongated history.
Not sure which is more lacking, your ability to debate or your knowledge of football.
Thumbs up on your trolling ability though

 

[Raptorman]

Actually, what's hilarious is that you keep saying that the Rams need to address the defense, posters in this thread have pointed out that in fact they have done a lot of addressing of defensive issues, and you ignore that and functionally keep saying "Yes, but the Rams need to address their defense."

Keep in mind that the Rams' defense played a lot better once they integrated Fowler in and they got their starting cornerbacks healthy. But beyond that, their big team resigning was Fowler, and their big free agents were Weddle (to upgrade the safeties) and Matthews (provide more pressure on QBs and at times slide over to help with the run defense). Three of their first four draft picks were on the defensive side, all expected to play significant time. Fact is, anybody who has actually paid attention to the Rams' offseason knows that the Rams have put a large portion of their resources into upgrading the defense. So repeatedly arguing that if the Rams don't upgrade their defense they won't succeed long term is laughable. Everybody here - but you - knows they upgraded their defense.

Yeah. We shall see. It's easy to say it's an upgrade. And I don't doubt that they made some improvements. But the reality is when the games are played. And we shall see. For your sake, I hope they did.

 

[Raptorman]

You just answered your own question.
Current trends are more appropriate than elongated history.
Not sure which is more lacking, your ability to debate or your knowledge of football.
Thumbs up on your trolling ability though

My lack of knowledge of football. Right. Attack the messenger when you can't refute facts.

Of course, I couldn't know anything about football after watching the game for 52 years because I'm a Vikings fan and my team never won the Super Bowl. After all, only teams that win the Super Bowl have fans who know the game. I would be interested to hear your comments about how my team will do this year. After all, they made upgrades to their offense and their defense will be back in line with 2017.

 

[Akrasian]

Yeah. We shall see. It's easy to say it's an upgrade. And I don't doubt that they made some improvements. But the reality is when the games are played. And we shall see. For your sake, I hope they did.

ANY offseason movements could backfire. To point that out is trivial. The fact remains that they haven't ignored the defense, but instead have ditched the underperformers and gotten players that they expect to be significant upgrades. Yes, things could go wrong - you can sign the best player in the league and have him underperform due to multiple nagging injuries. But the reasonable analysis of the Rams' offseason moves is that they have paid a lot of attention to the defense, using 3 of their top 4 picks, using most of their available capspace, and promoting some players who were drafted in 2018 with the specific idea that they would be ready to help in 2019. Over the past couple of seasons the Rams have been pretty good at making the right moves, so it's reasonable to expect most - not all - of their moves this offseason to be net pluses.

 

[dieterbrock]

My lack of knowledge of football. Right. Attack the messenger when you can't refute facts.

Of course, I couldn't know anything about football after watching the game for 52 years because I'm a Vikings fan and my team never won the Super Bowl. After all, only teams that win the Super Bowl have fans who know the game. I would be interested to hear your comments about how my team will do this year. After all, they made upgrades to their offense and their defense will be back in line with 2017.

Sorry kiddo. Pointing out that you’re trolling isn’t attacking. It is factual.
Frankly, I don’t give a crap about your lousy team. And clearly you don’t have any good team boards either since you have to come here.
Your arguments and logic, like your team, just fail.

 

[RamBall]

Ah yes. The great wonder kid is going to do it. He is after all the coach that can win without a top 10 defense year in and year out. That's what I gather from your post. So the wonder kid is smarter than Holmgren, McCarthy, Dungy, Sherman, and Payton. 36 years of coaching with top 8 offenses and what, 4 Super Bowls between them. Meanwhile in New England...........Belicheat is just clocking away Super Bowl victories with top 8 offenses and top 10 defenses.

But the Rams have Mcvay and Snead....... Good to know.

BTW, McCarthy and Holmgren, well they had the number 2 and 1 defense when they won the Super Bowl with the Packers. But Yeah, I know nothing. It's just garbage.

Rams have McVay!

I have never said the Rams can't have a top defense. I am just saying if they want to continue to win......they need a defense that doesn't give up 24 points per game. Most teams that give up that many points per game are .500 teams.

The only thing that matters is outscoring the other team. I dont care if the D gives up 24 pts/game when the O is scoring 32 pts/game. You can hate on the Rams all you want, it doesnt make it relevant.

 

[Raptorman]

ANY offseason movements could backfire. To point that out is trivial. The fact remains that they haven't ignored the defense, but instead have ditched the underperformers and gotten players that they expect to be significant upgrades. Yes, things could go wrong - you can sign the best player in the league and have him underperform due to multiple nagging injuries. But the reasonable analysis of the Rams' offseason moves is that they have paid a lot of attention to the defense, using 3 of their top 4 picks, using most of their available capspace, and promoting some players who were drafted in 2018 with the specific idea that they would be ready to help in 2019. Over the past couple of seasons the Rams have been pretty good at making the right moves, so it's reasonable to expect most - not all - of their moves this offseason to be net pluses.

Think any of those players outsider Rapp will be starting this year? He should be considering his draft position. Or will they be brought along a bit slower?

 

[nighttrain]

Rapp will get playing time, but our starters are Peters and Talib
train

 

[nighttrain]

at safety it's Johnson, Weddle, Rapp in that order
train

 

[Akrasian]

Think any of those players outsider Rapp will be starting this year? He should be considering his draft position. Or will they be brought along a bit slower?

The Rams do TEND to bring players along slowly, and exactly what will happen will depend on training camp, of course - not just how the draftees perform, but how others perform.

I think Rapp will be used in certain sets, but there are two starters ahead of him. He'll get significant playing time, though.

Long is targeted to be the third cornerback, though not necessarily in the slot but backing up Talib and Peters, so if the Rams have CB injuries again he'll get a lot of playing time, and at the very least will give them breaks. He should be a starter when one of the starters are allowed to sign elsewhere in 2020.

Gaines is the draftee most likely to be a starter, IMO. He'll be fighting with Sebastian Joseph-Day to be the nominal starter, though both will likely get playing time. SJD apparently has made a step up in the past season, but they drafted Gaines hoping he'd win the spot to be the two snap nose tackle. Some comments have been made that he should develop into an every down player.

Those are the defensive draftees who are likely to get many defensive snaps. Others should get special team time, some a lot of it.

 

[snackdaddy]

My points about defense are valid. And nothing anyone has put forth so far proves otherwise. If the Rams defense is up to the task, so be it. But if they are not, don't expect another Super Bowl appearance.

In Superbowl 53 the defense held the Patriots to 13 points. Brady's QB rating was 71. I'd say they did just fine. It was the offense who didn't do their part. The defense has already proven they can come up big in big games. Your argument that they won't is not based on any real evidence regarding the Rams. Only what other teams have done.

They already disproved the Eagles Dream Team argument. Keep trying though. It seems your arguments are based on wishful thinking more than anything else.