Honest question

[Ramon Ram]

What are you calling athletic?

His RAC and yards after contact put him at the top of being athletic.

Combine measurables do not equal athletic.

In general athletic terms I mean size, strength, wing span, speed, hands etc. Kupp isn't the biggest, fastest, strongest, best hands but he was the most productive this year. RAC he is uncanny how he breaks tackles or avoids them altogether. If I had to choose top 5 it would be Adams, Hopkins, Kupp, AJ Brown, Hill with Jefferson right there. That's how I see them being drafted in fantasy next year as well.

 

[blackbart]

In general athletic terms I mean size, strength, wing span, speed, hands etc. Kupp isn't the biggest, fastest, strongest, best hands but he was the most productive this year. RAC he is uncanny how he breaks tackles or avoids them altogether. If I had to choose top 5 it would be Adams, Hopkins, Kupp, AJ Brown, Hill with Jefferson right there. That's how I see them being drafted in fantasy next year as well.

6’2” 215lbs, he’s not small and I think he breaks tackles because he’s pretty strong.

I think a lot of people underestimate him and his physical attributes and athleticism because he did run 4.3 and he’s white.

Good for me if they keep doing that but, I don’t think that is why he is so good. I think that has way more to do with his heart and determination.

 

[Dxmissile]

The problem is it’s not just one list, it’s list after list with the creator of the lists being AA. You can’t tell me if this was switched that you wouldn’t have an outpouring calling the presenter racist if things were completely opposite with only listing white WR’s and leaving off a black WR who had the best season a WR has EVER had. But it’s okay if the opposite holds true.

You’re right, there are things that need to be improved but discrediting someone because of the color of their skin regardless of their ability or quality of volume of work they performed and a lot of what happened back in the 50s- 60s as a whole.

Speaking of jobs and getting equal opportunities, The Rooney Rule is a racist rule by concept since it only considers race and not ability which is racist by definition. Now the rule that was intended to create diversification is just a check box teams have to check before hiring who their going to hire anyways.

Also, if we are going to follow this way of thought of 75percent of the NFL is AA so 75% of HC, FO, and Owners need to be AA? That’s absolutely discriminatory and the whole concept behind that thought is completely racist.

If that’s the case we need to have the NFL reflect the exact percentages what the nation is to include opportunity, diversication, and inclusion.
So here we go:
60% white
18% Hispanic
12%AA
5% Asian
.07% Native American.

If a team doesn’t meet this criteria they are forced to give up all draft picks the following year and be hit with a 100 million dollars against the cap. This is a good idea right? Let’s force diversification. Where do we stop this mindless insanity that only focuses on race or ethnicity and doesn’t consider ability or experience.

Because it’s been proving time and time again that ability has nothing to do with it when it comes down to old white men having to hire black men.

And it’s been plenty of white analysis comparing Kupp to only white receivers as well it’s not just AA journalist. Conversely you have AA journalist calling out the disparity that Kupp is facing as well.

I’m glad we are having this conversation but no where did I say it had to be 75 percent owners or head coaches but with a league that’s over 75 percent black and only about 1 percent is in a head coaching position. That speaks volume.

Force diversification idk using terms like that really makes me think. Because doing what’s right and morally responsible shouldn’t ever be considered forced. But I guess when you live in a certain bubble it’s hard to fathom what others have to go through on a day to day basis.

It’s been proving that a AA man with the same degree more on the job training will get paid less that a white man with the same degree and even less on the job training.
So while people should be judged by their ability and experience that just not the case and we can be real about that.

Kupp is a football guy. To the causal fan and to the causal reporter who only like the one handed grab the over the top personas the elite speed guys Kupp won’t be on their radar. That’s why it took Bruce way longer to get in the hall of fame that’s why it’s taking Holt too long to get in.

Guys like that are always gonna be over looked even if he was black. But I can guarantee you when the players do their top 100 ranking I bet he be on there. Cause his peers which are mostly black know what type of Dog Kupp is