Hindsight Draft: What do you do as Rams GM?

[OnceARam]

You can't really do a "hindsight draft" unless you kick Jalen Ramsey off the team and replace him with Marcus Peters.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Gee some of the hindsight selections weren't even available at the Rams selections and we have no idea of if trade up or down could have been made. And I can't help but wonder if some of them would have been good fits for the Rams.

I just re-read an old article where the new DC Staley states that his outside linebackers must be able to dominate the edge in the run game. That's not the game of Uche or Baun. So they would be poor fits at EDGE (Especially Baun who supposedly had to drink a lot of water to weigh in a 238 at the combine). ILB would involve a position switch for both of them. Would it be wise to use such a high selection on this type of switch? Besides, from what I understand, Baun looked pretty bad in coverage at the Senior Bowl.

Spending a 2nd rounder on Ezra Cleveland to sit on bench probably isn't the best use of that asset either. Sure, they they could start him at LG like they did Noteboom. But, unless they shift to a Shananan style zone blocking system, he may have the same issues Noteboom had as an interior lineman. He probably needs to stay at OT ala Noteboom.

J.K. Dobbins? Great RB. But, Akers is a better receiver out of the backfield. He also adds the versatility of being able to throw the football as a former QB. (IMO, that Wildcat option works a helluva lot better if the back can actually throw the football).

If Denzel Mims can continue to work on his hands (24 drops last 3 years) and routes, he probably has more upside than Jefferson. He may turn out to be a stud elsewhere, but right now, Jefferson is the better WR.

My guess is that most of us never even heard of Willie Gay until he ran that fast 40 time. He may turn out to be a stud elsewhere, but I can't blame Snead for not using a top 57 selection on a kid with only 6 collegiate starts. Even if one wanted to ignore the suspensions, who in the world was starting ahead of him prior and why haven't we heard of him?

Someone else mentioned Lucas Niang. How many more RTs does this team need?

Troy Dye may have been a fit. I don't know, but I'm glad they passed on him. Again, he may turn out to be a star elsewhere, but when I saw WRs easily blocking him that scared the hell out of me. I forget who the WR was, but I saw one play where he made a cut and ran into him Dye and Dye bounced off of him and went to the ground like a kickball. That told me that if Staley is serious about stopping the run then Dye is probably not the answer at ILB.

The only questionable player passed upon that I can see is OT Josh Jones. Passing on him tells me that they haven't given up on Noteboom and/or believe that Evans or Edwards can play LT, too.

I don't know. While not a popular opinion, maybe, just maybe, Snead & company might know what they are doing.

I'll duck now.

 

[kurtfaulk]

The only questionable player passed upon that I can see is OT Josh Jones. Passing on him tells me that they haven't given up on Noteboom and/or believe that Evans or Edwards can play LT, too.

noteboom looked ok at lt in his rookie season. there's no reason for the rams to give up on him. he should be backing up whit this year and giving him a breather when he needs it.

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[Elmgrovegnome]

noteboom looked ok at lt in his rookie season. there's no reason for the rams to give up on him. he should be backing up whit this year and giving him a breather when he needs it.

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Except he had few reps and they were all at the ends of games on mop up duty. How can that be evaluated legitimately? He was never in in a close game. Towards the ends of games defense are tired and if the lead is unattainable then DEs don’t usually give it everything they have to rush the QB.

By that evaluation of 2018 you could say that Allen looked good. It’s not much to go by.

 

[snackdaddy]

Before hindsight I woulda pick Lewis with one of the second round picks. So maybe hindsight is my strength.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

Except he had few reps and they were all at the ends of games on mop up duty. How can that be evaluated legitimately? He was never in in a close game. Towards the ends of games defense are tired and if the lead is unattainable then DEs don’t usually give it everything they have to rush the QB.

By that evaluation of 2018 you could say that Allen looked good. It’s not much to go by.

Yeah even last summer I was thinking, why do people have such faith in him based on a few mop up plays? And none at G if I remember correctly....

 

[jrry32]

Except he had few reps and they were all at the ends of games on mop up duty. How can that be evaluated legitimately? He was never in in a close game. Towards the ends of games defense are tired and if the lead is unattainable then DEs don’t usually give it everything they have to rush the QB.

By that evaluation of 2018 you could say that Allen looked good. It’s not much to go by.

Whitworth injured his ankle in 2018 and missed the majority of the SF game (last game of the year). Noteboom stepped in and played well.

 

[jrry32]

I just re-read an old article where the new DC Staley states that his outside linebackers must be able to dominate the edge in the run game. That's not the game of Uche or Baun. So they would be poor fits at EDGE (Especially Baun who supposedly had to drink a lot of water to weigh in a 238 at the combine). ILB would involve a position switch for both of them. Would it be wise to use such a high selection on this type of switch? Besides, from what I understand, Baun looked pretty bad in coverage at the Senior Bowl.

Uche is every bit the run defender that Terrell Lewis is (better imo). I hate that he's in Seattle. I don't consider Baun an EDGE, so the whole diluted sample doesn't bother me. But it's worth mentioning that he weighed in at 240 at the Senior Bowl. IMO, it's more likely that he dropped weight to maximize his testing at the Combine but wanted to measure in as big enough to make teams believe he can play on the EDGE. As for him looking bad in coverage at the Senior Bowl, Tony Pauline made that claim; others disagreed. I've seen him cover in college. I have no concerns there. He's fluid in space with good instincts and ball-skills.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Whitworth injured his ankle in 2018 and missed the majority of the SF game (last game of the year). Noteboom stepped in and played well.

will have to go back and watch that game on Game Pass

 

[shovelpass]

Andrew Siciliano was on espn(Mason and Ireland) talking about the Rams draft. He doesn't say it outright, be suggests that the Rams had targeted a defensive player that surprisingly went in the first round.

https://www.stitcher.com/s?eid=69239653&refid=asa
Right at the 21 minute mark

 

[Tailboard]

Andrew Siciliano was on espn(Mason and Ireland) talking about the Rams draft. He doesn't say it outright, be suggests that the Rams had targeted a defensive player that surprisingly went in the first round.

https://www.stitcher.com/s?eid=69239653&refid=asa
Right at the 21 minute mark

Jordyn Brooks?

 

[Allen2McVay]

Andrew Siciliano was on espn(Mason and Ireland) talking about the Rams draft. He doesn't say it outright, be suggests that the Rams had targeted a defensive player that surprisingly went in the first round.

https://www.stitcher.com/s?eid=69239653&refid=asa
Right at the 21 minute mark

Interesting. Wonder if it was LB Jordyn Brooks. Was hoping he would fall to 52 but not close.

Other defensive players that could be classified as ‘surprises’ were cornerbacks.

 

[SeminoleRam]

With Hindsight (And, After reviewing all the players the Rams picked) I would have selected:

#52 RB Cam Akers (Loved This Pick!)
#57 WR Van Jefferson (Great Route Runner!)
#84 LB/Edge Terrell Lewis (If Heathy/A Monster!)
#104 DB Terrell Burgess
#136 TE Brycen Hopkins (Really Impressed with this TE)!
#199 DB Jordan Fuller
#234 LB Clay Johnston (If Healthy/He will be Good!)!
#248 K Samuel Sloman
#250 OG Tremayne Acnhrum (Rams finally picked an OL!)

Ok - I just copied who the Rams selected! But, in all honesty you said in Hindsight so (1) after reviewing the Rams selections I really did like them (Not real sure about the Kicker since I think one of the two FA Kickers they signed will have a really good chance of beating him out and (2) After Hindsight I remembered that Sean McVay and Les Snead know a WHOLE LOT MORE about these Prospects than I do (Actually, They know FOOTBALL a WHOLE LOT more than I do!!!) and I totally trust their decisions!!!

 

[Gandalf]

Can I make some hindsight moves on the stock market?

 

[Memphis Ram]

Uche is every bit the run defender that Terrell Lewis is (better imo). I hate that he's in Seattle. I don't consider Baun an EDGE, so the whole diluted sample doesn't bother me. But it's worth mentioning that he weighed in at 240 at the Senior Bowl. IMO, it's more likely that he dropped weight to maximize his testing at the Combine but wanted to measure in as big enough to make teams believe he can play on the EDGE. As for him looking bad in coverage at the Senior Bowl, Tony Pauline made that claim; others disagreed. I've seen him cover in college. I have no concerns there. He's fluid in space with good instincts and ball-skills.

I think Uche was selected by New England. Can't say that I agree about Uche vs. the run as a EDGE player. Especially, when he was primarily used as a pass rush specialist at Michigan. Either way, his size may have something to do with his NFL projection there. Besides, unlike Lewis, he couldn't be had at #84.

From what I understand, while others didn't go as far as Pauline in regards to Baun's coverage skills at the Senior Bowl (which really depends upon on what day and/or when someone is looking really) it's still a position change projection in which is a bit rich for picks #52 - #57. Especially for a team that really can't afford to miss that early. Could also be why he lasted until almost 20 picks later despite all the draftnik media hype.

 

[dang]

Does this look better?

#20 CB Jalen Ramsey
#52 RB Cam Akers
#57 WR Van Jefferson
#84 LB/Edge Terrell Lewis
#104 DB Terrell Burgess
#136 TE Brycen Hopkins
#150 OG Austin Corbett
#199 DB Jordan Fuller
#234 LB Clay Johnston
#248 K Samuel Sloman
#250 OG Tremayne Acnhrum

 

[Memphis Ram]

RE: Josh Jones

If anyone cares ( and I forgot who it was), I heard on a podcast the other day that Josh Jones lasted as long as he did supposedly for a couple reasons.

1) He added weight at the combine and didn't look at good as he had at the Senior Bowl.
2) When the OLine coaches got involved, they questioned his competition and just weren't as high on him as the scouting community.

 

[SeminoleRam]

Does this look better?

#20 CB Jalen Ramsey
#52 RB Cam Akers
#57 WR Van Jefferson
#84 LB/Edge Terrell Lewis
#104 DB Terrell Burgess
#136 TE Brycen Hopkins
#150 OG Austin Corbett
#199 DB Jordan Fuller
#234 LB Clay Johnston
#248 K Samuel Sloman
#250 OG Tremayne Acnhrum

Much Better! Went from an A to an A+!

 

[jrry32]

I think Uche was selected by New England. Can't say that I agree about Uche vs. the run as a EDGE player. Especially, when he was primarily used as a pass rush specialist at Michigan. Either way, his size may have something to do with his NFL projection there. Besides, unlike Lewis, he couldn't be had at #84.

From what I understand, while others didn't go as far as Pauline in regards to Baun's coverage skills at the Senior Bowl (which really depends upon on what day and/or when someone is looking really) it's still a position change projection in which is a bit rich for picks #52 - #57. Especially for a team that really can't afford to miss that early. Could also be why he lasted until almost 20 picks later despite all the draftnik media hype.

D'oh. Yes. New England.

 

[oldnotdead]

Does this look better?

#20 CB Jalen Ramsey
#52 RB Cam Akers
#57 WR Van Jefferson
#84 LB/Edge Terrell Lewis
#104 DB Terrell Burgess
#136 TE Brycen Hopkins
#150 OG Austin Corbett
#199 DB Jordan Fuller
#234 LB Clay Johnston
#248 K Samuel Sloman
#250 OG Tremayne Acnhrum

You nailed it!! Especially since Jefferson was taken with the Cooks pick.