Havenstien, Should He Start?

[shovelpass]

Hav might be out again this week.

 

[So Ram]

Nice post, So Ram.

The good news is that the Rams coaches will have all offseason to sort all of this out.

I’m enjoying watching Kromer trying to fix this OL on the fly. Amazing to see 4 new starters/starting positions changed since midseason. I can’t recall ever seeing such a thing before.

Rolling the dice the last couple years is what really helped The Rams be successful.

what people tend to forget is The Rams have had a new O’C the last 2 seasons even though Kromer is in his 2nd year as R’Q.
Both O’c’s are Head Coaches right now.

pretty amazing watching how The Offensive Line has come together. I actually would like this situation happen than go to a wildcard away & loss. That being said who knows if this squad steps up & The Rams make the playoffs. What a win win situation.

 

[So Ram]

Hav might be out again this week.

thanks !! No reason to rush Big Rob back.
A couple years ago with Fisher , I was wondering if Big Rob would ever play again.
He had a foot or league issue that was never really talked about. He then signed a big contract so The Rams were confident of his health.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

The Ol is one of the main reasons that this team is trending downward but McVay/Goff duo is right below the OL in poor 2019 performances.

Those two things are directly related though. OL affects everything, including D performance.

 

[hotanez]

Are the other OL'ers outside Edwards & Brewer really JAGS?

You & I have had excellent discussions over the years in the CHAT & the forum. We generally see most Ram elements very similar. I am more critical on Ram maters than most here though. I do think that the OL (by a far degree) has been the weakest unit on this team. Could the OL assets still be latent?

Currently, Ram team assets are massed in other offensive & defensive units now & in the future. Snead decisions were very big gambles that has taken very good 2019 Superbowl team to the point of being a non playoff team in less than ten months. The Ol is one of the main reasons that this team is trending downward but McVay/Goff duo is right below the OL in poor 2019 performances. Naturally they are closely tied together.

I still believe in Snead! I anticipate Snead can maneuver this team this off season to change the direction of the downward trend by upgrading & improvement of this team OL assets so there are fewer JAGS.

I really do enjoy our discussions Boni but I just see those guys outside of Brewer, Edwards and Evans as JAGS. No big deal, just a difference in opinion. Definitely agree with you on Snead, I have all the confidence in him to get the players we need.

 

[So Ram]

Those two things are directly related though. OL affects everything, including D performance.

It also goes in reverse as well. The Rams gave up on the run game a little early & didn’t run much with Gurley. The Rams needed that loss in away ?? Baltimore is a team The Rams match up well against. If they meet them in the Super Bowl with an added week to prep & this game film will be an advantage.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

No.

 

[So Ram]

I really do enjoy our discussions Boni but I just see those guys outside of Brewer, Edwards and Evans as JAGS. No big deal, just a difference in opinion. Definitely agree with you on Snead, I have all the confidence in him to get the players we need.

What is the meaning of Jags ?? Just average guards ?? Evens is showing strength at RT. Like the post says, do you start Big Rob ??
The Rams are sitting Big Rog this week. He is not as diverse right now at guard in case a player gets hurt ?? Will see ??

I think Austin Corbett is a solid pick up. How did they get such a young player so cheap ?? Do The Rams have 5th year option with him ?? Is he worth the possible salary increase ?? Just a thought moving ahead.
The season is on the line right now & The Rams are all in with this young group today against the Seahawks.
Talk about a good offensive line. The Seahags have built a nice beefy line. There DB’s are solid as well. Pete Carroll continues to build as solid team. Picking up Clowny & draft a big time DT from Bama is going to be a gut check upfront ?
Just saw the missed Greg the leg field goal last night on NFL net. Straight as can be.

 

[BonifayRam]

What is the meaning of Jags ?? Just average guards ?? Evens is showing strength at RT. Like the post says, do you start Big Rob ??
The Rams are sitting Big Rog this week. He is not as diverse right now at guard in case a player gets hurt ?? Will see ??

I think Austin Corbett is a solid pick up. How did they get such a young player so cheap ?? Do The Rams have 5th year option with him ?? Is he worth the possible salary increase ?? Just a thought moving ahead.

JAG is the term for an average at best athlete, meaning, "Just A Guy."

Ref. Austin Corbett Rams starting LG.......Snead made a trade with the Browns utilizing one of his future Ram assets for 2021 5th round pick. No, Corbett was a early 2nd day draft selection by the Browns in the 2018 draft. AC signed a 4 year, $7.6 contract with the Cleveland Browns. Rams traded for the rights for AC signed contract. AC is schedules to be a UFA in March of 2022.

AC will make &1.16 million in 2020 & $1.5 million in 2021. So he is not as cheap as a OT/OG Chandler Brewer-$200K or RG David Edwards-$561K.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

JAG is the term for an average at best athlete, meaning, "Just A Guy."

Means the Jacksonville Jags are just a bunch of average guys?

 

[BonifayRam]

I really do enjoy our discussions Boni but I just see those guys outside of Brewer, Edwards and Evans as JAGS. No big deal, just a difference in opinion. Definitely agree with you on Snead, I have all the confidence in him to get the players we need.

Based on the 2019 season starting performances of Joseph Noteboom, Brian Allen Austin Blythe & Rob Havenstien you look to be correct. I could not agree more.

Noteboom's career as a starting NFL OG is over. Last season JN proved to be a very good in the Swing reserve OT position. We have not seen him perform as a starting LT or RT. So I can not make a determination as yet if he is a JAG @ OT. Looks like it will be a long time before we know.

Allen's 2019 nine gm starting performance was below normal JAG standards. Allen starting post is currently under improvement from the play of Austin Blythe (former Colts Round 7 (#248 overall), 2016 selection. 2017 WWC=(Wavier Wire Contention) to main Ram top interior reserve. 2018 starting replacement for Jamon Brown @ RG to starter).

Rams are sure to consider resigning Blythe to a future contract as starting OC for the 2020 season based on what we have seen thus far. But you are correct Blythe is still just a JAG when it comes to his play as starting RG. Blythe might turn back those black clouds hanging over him with an overall much better 2019 performance the remainder of the season as starting center.

We may watching the transformation from Havenstein to Evans as our future starting RT before our eyes. Based on your Havenstein 2019 JAG performance.

I do not consider Austin Corbett JAG material.

 

[Rams43]

Blythe has been handed a golden opportunity to impress at starting C. Let’s see if he can do it. I’m pulling for him, of course, but if he fails to impress then the Rams must either spend a draft pick or get a 2nd tier FA to be our starting C next season.

I think that the Rams OL players are on a fairly short leash because good OL play is critical to success in ‘20. NOBODY wants to blow off a playoff season again next year due to inadequate OL play. Yeah, I’ve relegated Allen to backup stays until further notice, btw.

Goff seems to require a very good OL in order to execute McVay’s O. So, the Rams need to move heaven and earth to get him one. It’s that simple.

The End.

 

[hotanez]

Based on the 2019 season starting performances of Joseph Noteboom, Brian Allen Austin Blythe & Rob Havenstien you look to be correct. I could not agree more.

Noteboom's career as a starting NFL OG is over. Last season JN proved to be a very good in the Swing reserve OT position. We have not seen him perform as a starting LT or RT. So I can not make a determination as yet if he is a JAG @ OT. Looks like it will be a long time before we know.

Allen's 2019 nine gm starting performance was below normal JAG standards. Allen starting post is currently under improvement from the play of Austin Blythe (former Colts Round 7 (#248 overall), 2016 selection. 2017 WWC=(Wavier Wire Contention) to main Ram top interior reserve. 2018 starting replacement for Jamon Brown @ RG to starter).

Rams are sure to consider resigning Blythe to a future contract as starting OC for the 2020 season based on what we have seen thus far. But you are correct Blythe is still just a JAG when it comes to his play as starting RG. Blythe might turn back those black clouds hanging over him with an overall much better 2019 performance the remainder of the season as starting center.

We may watching the transformation from Havenstein to Evans as our future starting RT before our eyes. Based on your Havenstein 2019 JAG performance.

I do not consider Austin Corbett JAG material.

I'm sorry Boni, I think my post about JAGs was a bit confusing. I meant that to Austin Corbett/,Coleman Shelton and Kolone. I've haven't been impressed with Corbett but I think he would make a good backup. Resign Blythe for the Center position only and draft another one. What to do with Allen though? He's just to small, maybe move him to FB? I do like the other guys though Brewer, Evans, Note, and Hav. LT is going to be a big issue if Wit doesn't come back one more season.

 

[RamWoodie]

I'm a Hav fan. I remember when the guy was a rookie and he played well. Over the years I didn't worry about the RT position.

This year...it took me a while before I began to wonder "what's with Hav?"...at first I thought he might be playing injured..and then he really got injured.

Evans has been solid since starting...and I think McVay is gonna go with the "you don't lose your position to injury" rule.

If Hav is 100%...he will start against Dallas...BUT...make no bones about it...if he can't hold it down, there will be no hesitation to use Evans.

 

[oldnotdead]

Clowney would have destroyed Havenstein tonight. Evans beat him man to man. Havenstein isn't a starter when a rookie outplays him so dramatically.

 

[So Ram]

I have been advocating for possibly an extra O lineman to be used like that for weeks. Frankly I’ve been really frustrated at coache‘s slow moving adjustments to a catastrophic situation.

I think The Rams coaching staff has done an excellent job this season. Still some growing pains and learning to adjust some things.

 

[BonifayRam]

Clowney would have destroyed Havenstein tonight. Evans beat him man to man. Havenstein isn't a starter when a rookie outplays him so dramatically.

Agree.....it is possible that current starting RT Bobby Evans can get enough gm experience for the rest of the season to be the PRIME Prospect/Candidate to be the opening regular season starting LT next season until the Rams Org chosen Whitworth successor @ starting LT replacement Joseph Noteboom has retained full health & football playing condition?

If not which of the Ram OL'ers that will be under contract next season will it be?

 

[So Ram]

Agree.....it is possible that current starting RT Bobby Evans can get enough gm experience for the rest of the season to be the PRIME Prospect/Candidate to be the opening regular season starting LT next season until the Rams Org chosen Whitworth successor @ starting LT replacement Joseph Noteboom has retained full health & football playing condition?

If not which of the Ram OL'ers that will be under contract next season will it be?

It was

The only reason I can come up to send a rookie OL to the bench....who is trending upward in his effectiveness on the right side with another positive trending rookie David Edwards......... is the future 2020 #1 problem @ LT.

The Rams best prospect to replace Andrew Whitworth @ LT will be Noteboom who has had major surgery a little over a month ago. No way of knowing how well that badly damaged reconstructed ACL/MCL knee outcome. On top of that it would be too soon to know how much time Noteboom's rehabbing event will take. Yet to be determined........

Question here on this subject on Havenstein..... Who would be the best LT prospect to fill AW's shoes temporarily till Joe Noteboom return to playing condition lets say by the bye in 2020?

Based on what OL'ers the Rams have signed in 2020 I would say Bobby Evans is that prospect. Therefore, its presumptive that Rob Havenstien will be needed to be the starter @ the RT post from 2020 OTA's & well into the regular season. Then you might go with Havenstien back as starter.

Unless you believe top reserve 6th OL'er Chandler Brewer as a possible prospect at starting RT or LT?

Bonify, I’m always going to keep you in check !! Really enjoy your post, but I do think you give udrfa way to much props !!
Brewer ?? How will he even play into the lineup ?? Your still giving hope to Demby & Colone?? The Rams will eventually carry less O”lineman when the dust settles.

 

[So Ram]

Evans has been getting the help that Hav didn't get. I would stay with Evans, for now, the offensive line has jelled against some lesser opponents. Rams should get Hav ready to come in at RT/OG as the sixth man on the line.

really not sure what player gets cut, to make room for Big Rob ??

 

[So Ram]

I think it makes sense this offseason to sign a swing OT like Vaitai or a guy like Cordy Glenn who could slide inside to OG when Noteboom is back to handle the job until Noteboom is healthy.

salary cap ?? I think The Rams will find that player in house ?? The O”line is playing at a high level. Was trying to find the thread about Whitworth maybe returning?? I think that post before the Hawks game was perefect. After the game even makes more sense. What a GREAT singing !!! Maybe the BEST FA signing in Rams history??