- Aug 10, 2013
Is he the answer at NT or are we still looking for a starter at that position?
I think the position plays a factor as well.Most around here will say if a rookie doesn't come in and play good his first year he's not going to be good and needs to be replaced. Generally speaking rookies need a year or two to get upto the level of a quality NFL starter. I think he and Sebastian Joesph-Day (along with Fox) will be the starters along with AD along the front 3 this year and depth will be drafted.
Actually Farr started 3 games only p,aged in 10 and had 11 tackles 1 sack. Year 2 he played a full 16 and had 11.5 sacks. He’s another prime example with McLeod on patience pays off sometimes.I think the position plays a factor as well.
I think people expect more out of a RB than a QB in year one, for example.
It's also not uncommon for a rookie D lineman to play well from year one.
D. Farr was a guy that came in undrafted and played well from day one.
C. Long was a high pick, but started slow.
You never know
People still didnt like him after he was playing well. LolActually Farr started 3 games only p,aged in 10 and had 11 tackles 1 sack. Year 2 he played a full 16 and had 11.5 sacks. He’s another prime example with McLeod on patience pays off sometimes.
But yes there isn’t one cookie cutter mold for rookie expectations. Generally speaking you see what a guy is after three years because even if he succeeds year one doesn’t mean he’ll grow or sustain it.
I think some of us can get a little lost in generalities around here. I do think there's some correlation with some positions when it comes to success long term and success right out of the gate.Most around here will say if a rookie doesn't come in and play good his first year he's not going to be good and needs to be replaced. Generally speaking rookies need a year or two to get upto the level of a quality NFL starter. I think he and Sebastian Joesph-Day (along with Fox) will be the starters along with AD along the front 3 this year and depth will be drafted.
|Aaron Donald||DT||0||0%||926||83.57%||76||16.49%||Aaron Donald 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Greg Gaines||DT||0||0%||183||16.52%||11||2.39%||Greg Gaines 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Tanzel Smart||DT||0||0%||171||15.43%||12||2.60%||Tanzel Smart 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Sebastian Joseph||NT||0||0%||481||43.41%||84||18.22%||Sebastian Joseph 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Clay Matthews||LB||0||0%||614||55.42%||3||.65%||Clay Matthews 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Samson Ebukam||LB||0||0%||565||50.99%||163||35.36%||Samson Ebukam 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Dante Fowler||LB||0||0%||880||79.42%||50||10.85%||Dante Fowler 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Cory Littleton||LB||0||0%||1039||93.77%||105||22.78%||Cory Littleton 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Troy Reeder||LB||0||0%||298||26.90%||309||67.03%||Troy Reeder 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Travin Howard||LB||0||0%||102||9.21%||329||71.37%||Travin Howard 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Bryce Hager||LB||0||0%||71||6.41%||76||16.49%||Bryce Hager 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Ogbonnia Okoronkwo||LB||0||0%||115||10.38%||146||31.67%||Ogbonnia Okoronkwo 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Kenny Young||LB||0||0%||0||0%||154||33.41%||Kenny Young 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Natrez Patrick||LB||0||0%||16||1.44%||195||42.30%||Natrez Patrick 2019 game-by-game snap counts|
|Marcus Peters||CB||0||0%||410||37.00%||0||0%||Marcus Peters 2019 game-by-game snap co|
Reference the question on the NT position.... Snead has been utilizing third day draft selections on the NT post for the last three years. All 3 DL'ers are under contract.Is he the answer at NT or are we still looking for a starter at that position?
I would also add that imo the DLine is easier to get up to speed faster because they rotate in for downs or series in their rookie years. You don’t see olines swapping in and out for the same things. The best they can usually do is preseason games and maybe special teams.I think some of us can get a little lost in generalities around here. I do think there's some correlation with some positions when it comes to success long term and success right out of the gate.
For instance, it seems generally viewed that at TE, it's rare that eventually successful TE's are amazing right out of the gate. However, there does seem to be a correlation between RBs initial success and their success long term. Of course, there are also exceptions to the rule (see Derrick Henry).
As far as DL goes, I'm curious, how many stars or even above average starters have initial success right out of the gate? This seems like one position where it may take a few years unless you're the rare superstar. It would seem to me that DL and OL are the two positions that benefit most from a full year in the NFL weight room too.
I tend to agree with this. When we look at our new DC Brandon Staley and his background with Denver where they have been playing a bit more traditional 3-4 than Wade Phillips' hybrid, the difference in rotation is also more pronounced as they possess and are deep in 5T personnel where we are not. In the last 3 years the Broncos have drafted a 5T in either the 1'st, 2'nd or 3'rd round. They also employ a big NT in 328lb. Mike Purcell. During the same time span, the Rams have drafted one 5T DE, that being John Franklin-Myers in the 4'th round who lasted all of one year and is now a deep reserve for the Jets and never received a snap last season. Brockers was always out of place playing at 5T, the same will likely be true of SJD if he's expected to do the same, and both he and Gaines were initially brought in as interior DT's. In the absence of a quality 5T who can get after the QB from a DE position, the Rams have relied on smaller Edge OLB'ers to bring the pressure, especially since Donald is double & triple teamed on near every play. Donald will be 29 next season, it would be great if we can find him some relief in another Defensive Lineman or two who might take up some of those double teams and provide additional QB pressure. In the likely event that Fowler departs in free agency, the Rams appear to have depth with their remaining OLB's, but other than Morgan Fox, who will we have at 5T ? Or are we expecting Staley to adopt more of Wade's scheme over Fanzio's ?Could be.
I prefer a true DL rotation however. Hard to accomplish in this day and age.
I’m still using that top pick this year for a playmaker to team with Donald.
Joseph-Day really developed and was quite good most of the year. He can be penciled in to get a lot of snaps this year.
Rams need another play maker up front.
Shelby Harris from Denver I would love to sign but isn’t realistic given his likely salary.