Actually he's not....he gets injured quite a bit....but he's a decent QB. Seriously
He's not a long term answer at QB and he's not really a viable starting QB right now.
Carlos Hyde is pretty good....That old guy...Garcon...is a beast. That track guy at wr looks pretty good. I happened to have liked that TE out of Rice they have too....Don't know about that O-Line...but they handled a top defense from Minnesota pretty well
The fact that you can't name any of them tells you that they're not blue chip players/prospects. You can't build around any of those players, Hyde hasn't been able to play a full season yet, Garcon is too old, and the rest are just unknown. There's some talent, they're NFL players, but they're not blue chip players to build around.
I'm pretty sure grip strength isn't affected as much by physical size...I mean a short squatty guy could have much stronger hands than a bigger guy....but I'm sure astro-physicist that you are, you know that...right?
Astrophysics isn't biology and people aren't celestial objects, so..... The entire point is that you're placing unrealistic expectations on a QB expecting them to hang onto that ball when they're throwing the ball. If you're going to critique someone you do so on things that can fix. You critique Goff for not sensing the pressure and getting rid of the ball, you critique the O-Line for getting beaten so fast. When you critique a QB because they could hold the ball with one hand while a very big, very strong, and very fast guy puts all of his weight and strength into knocking the ball away then your argument just gets dismissed.
See, you're going off stats...and this is where you are wrong....Look at the games....You have to see the type of throws...the movement skills...or you have no context...only 6 for 18...and if you had watched the games, you'd see a rookie QB, throwing the ball downfield...scanning the field....looking better than a 2nd year player..
I'm saying that stats don't back up your argument very good, they suggest the complete opposite. The dude looked downright terrible this past weekend. Again if you think he's so great then go watch the Browns, nobody is stopping you. But you're on a Rams forum telling everyone that our QB is garbage and that every single QB, including a lot of backups are better than him. You should probably expect to get some resistance there. The entire point of ROD is so there was a place for Rams fans to gather together and be free to be as big of a homer as they want, to get away from people who just want to trash the team constantly. This type of shit right here is why ROD was formed, to avoid needing to justify why we think our QB is better than some rookie who hasn't done anything and when he finally started against starting level talent in the preseason he folded.
I watch a lot of football....I like football...I took a bunch of science classes too, but I still like football more....So, I've seen Goff....and I've seen almost all the others....Mitch Trubisky is really something. And I've seen Kizer...That DB from Michigan is something too...And...IMO....Kizer looks better...he throws the ball downfield...he throws wr's open...he throws in tight windows...and he can run...look at yards per attempt...yards per completion..
Then go be a football scout or something, I don't know dude. I haven't seen these players play so I'm not going to comment on them, but given that Goff doesn't look anything near what you describe, I'm not so inclined to take your word for it, no offense.
Look at you...well, if they had asked Goff that...I wouldn't be surprised at his expression. That's not average trivia...like where does the sun rise? Common stuff...I remember hearing about luminosity...something like a candle light measurement...LOL...never heard of the shell burning star though...so, you got me...
I wouldn't expect Goff to know those answers either. There are all sorts of tricky little brain teasers that are common sense and yet it'll take adults to answer. That's what happens as you age, you learn different things, and your brain prioritizes what it feels are important and what it feels aren't. I'm good at math and I can remember a lot of science facts because my brain prioritizes that information since I'm using it a lot more. Goff obviously was prioritizing other things, likely football. It's not, and never has been, a good indication of someones intelligence or even their education. I've had a brain fart about an actor in a movie I saw as I'm walking through the parking lot to my car from the theater. That's just how the brain works.
Again...Wentz threw the ball 600+ times...you put any rookie stats against his...ANY....and he stacks up pretty nicely...mainly because his interceptions were so low...And I mean go through history...
Similarly.....in 7 games, put Goff's numbers against any....and he's still one of the lowest ranked rookies EVER.
He was still the worst starting QB to start 16 games last year, and he was only slightly better than Goff even though he was put into a much better situation. So he passed the ball a lot, that's the Eagles offense, he was also dinking and dunking so much that early in the season Philly sports writers were ragging on him over it. There was an article posted earlier, the longer the season went on the worse Wentz got, and there's plenty of news articles showing that.
And McVay scripts a perfect drive...even missing targets, we're checking down and moving the ball. On that 3rd down play...he has to get rid of the ball, look around, QB's are throwing passes in .33 seconds....McVay has such a route called...Goff is looking for Higbee...he is...and he holds a ball on the 10 yard line about 3 seconds...when there are guys open at .5 seconds....Why isn't he trying to get rid of the ball? Processes info slowly....
I honestly can't really tell what you're talking about here.. McVay scripted missing targets? What? Here's how the drive went:
First play: 1st and 10 from the 25: Run to the right side
Second play: 2nd and 8 from the 23: Pass to Woods. You very clearly see Goff go through his progressions here as he scans the field from the left side (nobody open) to the right side where he hits Woods. From the snap to the throw is 3 seconds, that includes the drop back and going through progressions. From the end of his drop back to throwing is about a second and half. Processed that pretty quickly for a nice gain. Looks like Woods might have been the third look there, maybe second. Definitely not the primary, seems more likely to be the 3rd look though. First down.
Third play: 1st and 10 from the 43: Run to the right side.
Fourth Play: 2nd and 12 from the 40. Pass to Brown, his checkdown option. Goff takes the snap, drops back and there's nothing on the field. Goes through progressions and less than a second after a free rusher comes in from the front. Side steps the pass rusher, senses the pressure behind him making that rusher miss (two chargers players on the ground now because Goff avoided them, and steps up, finds a gap in the pocket and escapes, gets Brown free because the Charger covering him moves to get Goff, and gives Brown the ball with a lot of green in front of him down the sideline turning what should have been a sack into a first down. That right there is something you can't teach, that's what makes Goff potentially special. That's what separates the good QB's from the elite QB's. First down.
Fifth play: 1st and 10 from the 39. Pass to Higbee down the seam. Higbee is the best option here and breaks free. Goff fits the ball into a tight window where the defender has to interfere with Higbee to force the drop. Higbee probably could have still come down with it though. Good throw, good read. Pass interference on the defense, first down.
Sixth play: 1st and 10 from the 11. Designed roll out to Everett to let him go one on one with a defender, hopefully make him miss and get some good YAC. Everett can't get around the corner and turn up field or beat his man, minimal gain, but correct read. Everett was his only option there, if he's not there Goff either throws it away or tries to run himself. This play he either had Everett or nobody as there was no room to run. Good throw regardless.
Seventh play: 2nd and 7 from the 8... I think this is the play you're talking about where you say "he holds a ball on the 10 yard line about 3 seconds...when there are guys open at .5 seconds" so we'll dissect it further. Ball is snapped. I'm going off of a condensed video of the game with YouTube controls, so the timestamps are a little iffy and I can't do much between seconds other than estimate.
Ball is snapped at the 2:32 mark and reaches Goff at the 2:33 mark (shotgun), Goff begins to drop back at 2:33 mark. At this point the furthest the receivers have gone up field is Higbee crossing the line of scrimmage, rest of the receivers are still behind it running forward. Goff is looking to the left side, neither Watkins or the other receiver on the left side (I can't tell if it's Cooper or McRoberts) are open or going to be open anytime soon. Cooper is jammed and the corner is playing Watkins perfectly, the left side of the field is gone. Goff looks to the center of the field and see's Higbee covered. The clock ticks to the 2:34 mark, Goff has been scanning for a second. He sets his feet and throws the ball high over Higbee away from danger. The ball hits the ground, and the clock rolls over to the 2:36 mark (passed the 2:35 mark right as the ball crosses over the end zone), play is dead.
Goff held onto the ball for a whopping 1-1.5 seconds. He had two reads on the left side of the field, and both were gone. He then threw the ball away. That's likely the call, "If your first two reads aren't there, throw it high over Higbee. No risk of interception, no risk of intentional grounding. Goff had a pretty clean pocket, and if the play called for him to scan the entire field, as we saw with his first passing play, I'd bet he would have done it.
"But Woods was open underneath!" many have said... Is he though? I mean yeah, he's should be able to catch it, but is it a TD? My guess is no. There's a Chargers Linebacker covering Woods, you see him pass Higbee off to the two safety's in the middle. Woods can make that catch but he's probably going to get absolutely crushed as a result and I mean crushed, the linebacker is already moving in to take his head off if Goff throws to him. Brown isn't open on the right side either, Goff could have tried to squeeze it in, but it's more likely a pick six. Goff made the smart play, getting your receivers killed in a preseason game is just reckless.
After dissecting that play there is no really good option for Goff to throw to, the coverage is perfect, and it makes sense, Chargers were playing to the pass there, and dropped extra guys to cover. Goff makes the correct read on that play again, makes a smart veteran QB move and gets rid of the ball to try again.
Eighth play: 3rd and 7 from the the 8. That play has been dissected enough.
Drive over.
I'm not seeing a QB that can't make progressions, holds onto the ball too long, misses open receivers, and can't sense pressure. I see a QB that scans the entire field, gets rid of the ball quickly, finds his escape valve and lets them get some separating, senses pressure to escape and allow the play to develop, and takes what the defense gives him like a smart veteran QB.
Next drive....starts out with a safe flat pass....then we drive...with runs....his next pass...plenty of time in the pocket..and he just throws a duck. Wobbler...over throw....some on the radio say that, at practice, that play goes to where he threw the ball, which was a lil deeper...Sammy W, broke off the route a lil...didn't run it as deep...But, Jared is staring at him and should see this...I still say the ball slipped.
Nobody liked the pass to Watkins.. Correct read, horrible throw. I don't like it, you don't like it, McVay doesn't like it, Goff doesn't like it. That shit happens sometimes, no QB is going to throw 100% of their passes perfectly. Better he does it now than when it counts. Maybe it was a miscommunication, maybe it slipped, Goff took the blame for it, and so I'll listen to him. Bad throw, shit happens sometimes. There isn't an excuse for that throw and nobody is making one. It was a bad throw. He made the correct read though and that's what's important. Goff's arm talent has never worried anybody, it was if he could get the mental part down, that's what's hard. The physical differences between the elite QB's everyone else isn't that much. There are QB's in college, maybe even one in high school that can throw a ball better than Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. What made/makes them elite is the mental aspect of it. Do I like the throw? Not a chance. Do I like the read? You bet I do, it was a good read. This is what preseason is for.
That's losing game mentality stuff. Choking. Our 1st team offense...given a chance to pick up our depleted defense....drops the ball.
The next drive was just for the O-Line...Goff wasn't asked or trusted to throw...and we settle for a field goal...in a preseason game...down 21 to nothing...
Goff doesn't call plays. McVay took out the starting line O-Line that last play by the way, he always takes the starting line out the series before he takes out Goff, I assume so the backups get some experience and chemistry with the rest of the ones, since they'll be rotating in and out as the season and games go on.
I didn't start commenting in this thread about Wentz and Goff....It's over....We have Goff...What are we gonna do to fix him? but I don't mind standing up for Wentz.
Be nice if you cared to stand up for our own QB half as much as you do for another teams QB, just sayin...
If you asked any GM...a football guy...what would you trade for Carson Wentz? You'd get a certain draft round type pick....then ask them what would they trade for Jared Goff....I think it might surprise a lot of you....
I think they would both fetch around the same price, it'll depend on the team and the type of offense they run. Atlanta? They'd want Goff. Seattle? They'd want Wentz. Schemes matter, and our scheme doesn't fit Wentz anymore, just like last year our scheme didn't fit Goff. Now it does.
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