We are 7-0 when we score over 19, so 20 works. It's not good enough though and our passing game is weak. I'm not asking for the greatest show 2.0. I'm asking for an average show. We have to improve the QB position and the receiver position. Both areas we are extremely weak on.
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But you could make the debate that because the offense has not turned the ball over and has not been consistent 3 and outs, it has enabled the defense to create more turnovers and thus lead to points.
Let's be honest if some of the defensive touchdowns were pushed out at the five yard line and the offense scored, who would you give that to? Overall the offense has been better there is no debating that point and there have been many factors why, but Rob Boras has been an upgrade and that's a given!
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As always you fail to acknowledge the fact that the QB doesn't call the plays or design the game plan. The QB has to call the plays sent in from the sideline and according to the game plan drawn up by the coaching staff. The QB can't throw 30+ passes a game down field if the coaches don't call the plays. The QBs job is to execute the plays called by the coaches and Case has done so. Would we all like to see a more aggressive offense? Absolutely, and I'm sure Case would, too. But it has to come from the coaches. Perhaps the ultra conservative game plan is a result of a very inexperienced oline and a lack of receiving talent. You cannot blame the QB if he is executing the plays called according to the game plan laid out by the coaches and Case is doing just that.
Why would you take out the Tampa game unless you're trying to exaggerate an agenda?
Stats are just numbers and unless they put into context are meaningless.
As many have pointed out the ONLY "stat" that should matter is 3-1 and it should be 4-1 after tomorrow.
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One thing I'm extremely concerned with and will continue to be bothered by is the offense's ability to score when it counts. We lost EVERY GAME where we trailed at halftime. And we lost a couple where we had the lead at half (OT vs Vikings, Baltimore). Boras hasn't had his back against the wall yet, so there is that, but whether you'd like to chalk it up to playcalling or execution or talent - it's pretty damn scary.
Not all doom and gloom though. I was surprised to learn the offense has taken advantage of opportunities this year. 73 points off of 26 takeaways (I think) not sure if that accounts for Pick 6 or fumble returns though. There have been some instances where they left points on the field, Green Bay comes to mind. But that's on par with Carolina's number. They have 127 points off 35 turnovers. So we're doing pretty well in that aspect.
Not all doom and gloom though. I was surprised to learn the offense has taken advantage of opportunities this year. 73 points off of 26 takeaways (I think) not sure if that accounts for Pick 6 or fumble returns though. There have been some instances where they left points on the field, Green Bay comes to mind. But that's on par with Carolina's number. They have 127 points off 35 turnovers. So we're doing pretty well in that aspect.
Those aren't offensive scores.
Believe what you want. Averaging 125 yards a game thru the air isn't a sustainable winning formula unless you think we'll be averaging NCAA level rushing numbers like 200 a game with 3 TDs a game on the ground. I've backed it up. Playoff teams are at least league average passing usually better and average 23 a game.
I don't think Keenum brings that nor does this archaic offense.
And you can bring up the Hags and Whiners. But the Hags run an offense designed around Wussell as a read option variant. He's one of the most elusive QBs in the game.
Kraperdick was big and fast and could run.
Keenum is neither. Not even close.
Gronk is the best TE in the league. Not having him and Brady doesn't do what Brady usually does. We don't have close to that. And the Patsy model is relies on those quick slants, crossing patterns over the middle short to intermediate and elusive YAC guys. All if not most above average to elite route runners. I hate those bastards, but they play about the cleanest O in the league with super savvy pass catchers.
We don't have any of those things. Oh and, it definitely helps having an elite QB to make that simple system work like a well oiled machine.
Well TB does have a garbage pass D and I won't be fooled by one game when every other one is mediocre passing output.
Because outside of that game he hasn't been a good QB. Was using stats to show that.
Are you seriously trying to sell us on Keenum being the starter from here on out? He is Shaun Hill. A nice backup that can keep the ship afloat, but that's about it.
I would definitely like to see us pick up a serious #1 receiver this season. While I don't buy into the idea that we have the worst receivers and QB, I think it is one of the pieces I would like to see a real upgrade on. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to gauge. I have seen many receivers get open only to watch Foles completely miss them, pass them covered by throwing too late, or put the ball where the receiver might be able to get his hands on it but hardly in a position to catch and run or even catch it. People keep saying the Seattle game was a good game for him but I'm sorry, a good game would have resulted in a blow out and that Kendricks TD doesn't happen if the defender doesn't fall down. At first I thought he threw that ball safely when he saw that the defender had fallen. But when you watch the replay, he threw it before the defender fell down. If he stays on his feet, that is probably an INT.
All the Foles criticism aside, I have seen the career journeyman tag thrown at Keenum. Seriously? The guy comes in behind Matt Schaub having a ProBowl season his rookie year. Yeah - as if he is going to see the field. Then the following year, Houston is simply an atrocious team. Keenum comes in and plays about as good as Schaub minus the double digit INT rate. He doesn't play great in his first starts but puts up far better numbers than Wilson did in his first 8 starts with no Arian Foster and a pretty bad O-line.. The following year, a new coach brings in Fitzpatrick and Keenum finally sees the field at the end of the season and goes 2-0. Up until his few games with the Rams, he has not really had any kind of career to speak of. I suppose by those standards Aaron Rodgers was a career back-up. I'm not comparing Keenum to any great QBs but I also don't see where he deserves to be dismissed based on his short career so far.
I would like to see us upgrade the QB position as well as many here. But I'm not ready to say Keenum can't be a decent starter and I also am hoping to see my boy Mannion step up. If neither of them are good enough, I hope we can grab that upgrade in the draft or pull in a FA until we can address it. But I think we may want to be a little more open to watching what Keenum is able to do while our O-line finds its way and learns how to maintain its blocking assignments.
Boras has called a decent game of late but thinking he was going to open things up with a new QB trying to get on the same page with his receivers, and wet behind the ears O-line is just not logical. In fact, I would guess that if we tried that, it would look like a total mess and we likely would not be on a 3 game winning streak heading into SF.
So while we have put up meager passing yards since Boras has taken over, I don't see that as an indication that this offense is not capable of more as it learns to play together.
All the Foles criticism aside, I have seen the career journeyman tag thrown at Keenum. Seriously? The guy comes in behind Matt Schaub having a ProBowl season his rookie year. Yeah - as if he is going to see the field. Then the following year, Houston is simply an atrocious team. Keenum comes in and plays about as good as Schaub minus the double digit INT rate. He doesn't play great in his first starts but puts up far better numbers than Wilson did in his first 8 starts with no Arian Foster and a pretty bad O-line.. The following year, a new coach brings in Fitzpatrick and Keenum finally sees the field at the end of the season and goes 2-0. Up until his few games with the Rams, he has not really had any kind of career to speak of. I suppose by those standards Aaron Rodgers was a career back-up. I'm not comparing Keenum to any great QBs but I also don't see where he deserves to be dismissed based on his short career so far.
I would like to see us upgrade the QB position as well as many here. But I'm not ready to say Keenum can't be a decent starter and I also am hoping to see my boy Mannion step up. If neither of them are good enough, I hope we can grab that upgrade in the draft or pull in a FA until we can address it. But I think we may want to be a little more open to watching what Keenum is able to do while our O-line finds its way and learns how to maintain its blocking assignments.
Boras has called a decent game of late but thinking he was going to open things up with a new QB trying to get on the same page with his receivers, and wet behind the ears O-line is just not logical. In fact, I would guess that if we tried that, it would look like a total mess and we likely would not be on a 3 game winning streak heading into SF.
So while we have put up meager passing yards since Boras has taken over, I don't see that as an indication that this offense is not capable of more as it learns to play together.
And you think after 4 games at QB for Keenum and Boras, you have seen their ceiling. Yeah - they can't possibly improve on that. They've shown everything they can do and will only be capable of 125 yards per game passing. So how many of those playoff teams are putting up big numbers with an OC entering his sixth game and a QB entering basically his fifth? Those numbers haven't backed up anything IMO - especially if you are going to cherry pick out the stats from their best game.
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I think the "whatever reason" is just the secret of success. Bilicheat has it. Harbaugh has it. As do others. The refusal to be mediocre, conveyed to your troops in a direct and serious manor. Successful and well-focused preparation, rather than misspent busy work.
Not having jackasses like Johnny Clipboard in your locker room. - sorry had to take a shot.
At first blush Boras seems to have it. That hair of a difference that inspired Cook to play to his potential, the offensive linemen to not commit stupid penalties. Not playing afraid. That small speech he may have made in the meeting room. That film he has been dying to show for weeks detailing blocking efforts or blown assignments. Who knows.
But these are the reasons I am reluctant to make drastic changes in the middle of the stream. (This mixed metaphor has been brought to you by Viagra.) Boras is making a name. I believe he will be solid.
Certainly Keenum has to be factored in as a huge variable. Just extending drives by ONE first down 3-4 times a game. Huge. Professionally accurate, yet not amazing throws.
We have a TON of OL talent that is gaining (painful) experience before our very eyes. It will all hash out.
We have Gurley, Mason, Cunningham, Cook, Kendricks, Harkey, Britt and of course Tavon as weapons. There will be additions, especially at WR. But the cupboard is not bare. (This proper metaphor is brought to you by Cialis).
It is a shame this was plan B. But we cannot look back. Cheers men. :cheers:
When they have good game followed by mediocrity damn straight I'll call it out especially when others are doing the exact same thing.
We're running the same O. Bunch of punts and the occasional good drive. All these fakes will be had eventually after a seasons worth of tape to look at for next year.
I'm not going to blindly throw any allegiance to an OC that couldn't beat out Cigs, or offensive guys who didn't have the balls or foresight to yank the worst starting QB in the league before the season was lost, and can't see QB talent if it slapped him.
I'm tired of being duped by this team. Unless they bring in serious QB competition, and Mannion isn't it imo, and a real QB battle ensues, the team with go nowhere in the long run.
And I'm not convinced Fishers system still works anyway. His record and offenses don't really back it up, not without a freelancing QB that has elite mobility.
I'd rather have more than a handful of games down the line to build false hope on.
This is the MO of this team. Play lights out at the end of the seaso when it's already over. We saw this exact same song and dance with Hill last season for a couple games in a row.
I just think it's a losing mentality to settle with Keenum, Boras, and a hope and a prayer that'll be enough.
We're running the same O. Bunch of punts and the occasional good drive. All these fakes will be had eventually after a seasons worth of tape to look at for next year.
I'm not going to blindly throw any allegiance to an OC that couldn't beat out Cigs, or offensive guys who didn't have the balls or foresight to yank the worst starting QB in the league before the season was lost, and can't see QB talent if it slapped him.
I'm tired of being duped by this team. Unless they bring in serious QB competition, and Mannion isn't it imo, and a real QB battle ensues, the team with go nowhere in the long run.
And I'm not convinced Fishers system still works anyway. His record and offenses don't really back it up, not without a freelancing QB that has elite mobility.
I'd rather have more than a handful of games down the line to build false hope on.
This is the MO of this team. Play lights out at the end of the seaso when it's already over. We saw this exact same song and dance with Hill last season for a couple games in a row.
I just think it's a losing mentality to settle with Keenum, Boras, and a hope and a prayer that'll be enough.
You mean when they finished last season with 3 straight losses, went 2-3 to finish '13, and 1-2 to finish '12?
What fakes? The last four or five games?
This really seems to be at the heart of your position. That's cool. I just don't buy into what you are seeing. I think that Fisher's system can work and will work provided we have some kind of consistency from our O-line and QB. I'm not sure that Keenum is it either. But I also haven't seen the top QB prospects convince me that they are the answer. I also haven't seen them demonstrate much if any more than I saw from Mannion for four years. Upgrade the QB position? Awesome. Give up a bunch of 1st round and 2nd round picks to do it? I'm not there with the '16 draft crop.
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