And with improved execution there is no reason THIS offense can't do just that.
For those currently undecided about Boras' first three weeks...
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You misunderstand me, Coach. I wasn't meaning to take any one person to task and if you took it that way, I sincerely apologize.
I just wanted to add in some context and information about McDaniels and the P-E offense which it seems a lot of folks just don't understand and so I see a lot of posts about both McDaniels and/or the P-E offense or even switching to a "vertical offense" and we both know it's not as simple as all that. Other than maybe the West Coast, ANY of the Coryell or P-E variants can go "vertical" or have significant vertical components with or without a power running component.
So, I really wasn't taking you, personally, to task at all. Rather, I was trying to slow the thread down and clear up that just asking for "vertical" aspects or things like that doesn't inherently mean anything because a good OC can do that in ANY system.
I have a saying... short questions, long answers. Unfortunately, it's easy for a lot of folks to think short questions inherently have short answers and that's not always true. Such is the case with offensive variants in the NFL. This stuff can get pretty involved in a hurry as I'm sure you know and just asking for more "vertical" without specific context is like asking an economist to create more jobs.
If it were as easy as us asking for it on a forum, they'd have a promotion, "Win a chance to be OC for a week!" Promotion around the NFL. There are plenty of us who already think we could do it...LOL.
SaneRamsFan
Rookie
My view is the same. Watch NE. Their gameplanss are neever that complicated. They don't run many difffetent plays. They execute the onees they do run. And they mix it up week to week. For whatever reason this offensse is executing undder Boras.othing else has changed.
I don't think Boras returns as OC. Just a gut feeling. Nothing more.
Like many have said, the difference since Boras took over is clearly the execution and deliberateness of the movement pre-snap. I noticed it right away. Things look "tighter."
Like many have said, the difference since Boras took over is clearly the execution and deliberateness of the movement pre-snap. I noticed it right away. Things look "tighter."
But on whom do we improve the execution?
I think we've seen moderate improvement in execution and it has resulted in a fairly substantial difference. I was not all that wowed by improvements against the likes of Detroit and Tampa but having it follow through against the shehawks was encouraging. Give the offense a little time to further work out the wrinkles including blocking assignments and line calls and I can see this offense being the type that consumes clock while putting up a decent amount of points.
Keeping the defense fresh and scoring on long drives is a recipe that wins in big games IMO. It is not the only way to win but it has been successful for a lot of teams. Add in the fact that we have pig play potential with TA and Gurley and this offense is no where near in as bad of shape as some believe.
Now finish off strong against Frisco that even while playing poorly at times has shown themselves to be dangerous in games they should have lost. If we can do that, we will be heading in the right direction and will be poised for continuing it in '16.
True that he got beat out by Cignetti, or maybe Fisher just made the wrong choice.
Three games in a row, check, check, and check. Let's hope they continue to shut your ass up.
I keed I keed.Seriously though - I agree. If we are continuing with the occasional 30 point games surrounded by being shut down in several games, I think we'll all be pissed and pretty vocal about it. Let's hope we simply continue to see improvement. I'm one who has preached stability but not if yet again, we see the same results. I think the product on the field has improved each year even though our record last year didn't show it. I don't really see a huge difference though between 6-10, 7-9, 8-8, 9-7. To me, a winning season is not much of a consolation from 7-9 if you are not heading into the post season.
Fisher has built a pretty good team that can contend. I think we are building it in a sustainable fashion too. I'm thinking with a couple breaks - mainly at QB - we are in good position to be perennial contenders. That said, '16 really needs to see Fisher getting us into the playoffs.
WestCoastRam
Legend
Mojo,
Can you say more about the pre-snap movement? I haven't been able to watch many of these late season games and haven't gotten a chance to see the how's Boras's execution looks different.
Additionally, I do think that if we have good execution against the 9ers this week, we might be stuck with Boras. I'm not overly enthused with that idea. Although, we'll have the exact same problem we had last year attracting a O coordinator: lack of clarity about franchise. Last year it was the move, this year we'll know where the franchise will be but Fisher will be on a one-year leash.
ME
What I've noticed, we still have multiple shifts and stuff, but everyone knows what they're doing. checking with the line judge...always aware of the clock...the silent count snap this weekend worked beautifully...more organized...Keenum and Barnes (Reynolds too) work well together.
ramsince62
Hall of Fame
Yes it is Coach, but I also think most folks are just looking for a team that can compete. It doesn't require Hall of Famers, but a little consistency would be nice, along with a descent O line and a competent QB to lead them. Depending upon a defense to compensate for a defective, ever changing offense is a fools game, IMO, especially these days when the rules favor the passing game.
We all know their deficiencies and so does Fisher...it just always seems to be about waiting until the next year.......and the next....
So I guess from your comments you discount the impact that the inordinate number of injuries to the OLINE the past 3 years has had with regards to building a decent unit. Or for that matter the injuries to both the starting QB and backup (Bradford and Hill) last year?
Say what you want about Shawn Hill, as a BACKUP, he was an upgrade over Clemens and if he would not have gotten hurt himself should and would have been a better "plan" last year.
I realize that some look at these as excuses. That somehow an organization needs to plan for this and somehow overcome. But as I mentioned....: ask Jerry Jones how that works out.
Maybe we'll get a pretty good idea about what Boras has after this week, if Gurley doesn't play...This offense is still not much without at least the threat of Gurley in there...If he gets something going without that threat then I think some of the acrimony about him might ease up...I'm not real sure what he's done wrong to say that the Rams might be "stuck with him" if he brings home a win Sunday...Sometimes I just don't really understand what folks are looking for...
21, 31 and 23 in the last 3 games
Read LAChamps reply. That helps put it into words. It's a subtle change but it's there. Players look more confident too.
The improvement over the last few weeks has little to do with Boras. It has a lot to do with:
1 Havenstein
2 Wichmann
3 Keenum
1 Havenstein
2 Wichmann
3 Keenum
Elmgrovegnome
Legend
The improvement has everything to do with Boras and Keenum IMO. This is the first game that the offense didn't have a penalty. They weren't ever close before. Keenum's better ability to read a defense and better coaching,leads to better execution.
I think Boras is here to stay for a while. Fisher couldn't find any outside parties interested in being his OC with two years left on his contract. How is he going to find someone interested with one year left?
I am fine with Boras if the offense improves even more under against San Francisco. I like it better if Martz was hired as an advisor to teach Boras the finer points of a passing offense and calling play's according to what an opposing defense is giving you.
I think Boras is here to stay for a while. Fisher couldn't find any outside parties interested in being his OC with two years left on his contract. How is he going to find someone interested with one year left?
I am fine with Boras if the offense improves even more under against San Francisco. I like it better if Martz was hired as an advisor to teach Boras the finer points of a passing offense and calling play's according to what an opposing defense is giving you.