Floyd, Ngokue (and others) vs. youth movement at EDGE

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If the Rams wished to fill their EDGE rusher spots with veterans who are still on the market, would potentially accept a short term/affordable deal, and still have enough in the tank to factor in the pass rush, there are certainly options.

Leonard Floyd is still available. Perhaps that bridge has been burned, but if it hasn’t, maybe he’s ready to return on a more cap-friendly deal?

Yannick Ngakoue is also on the market. Clearly, he is viewed as a one-trick pony who, perhaps, is a bit of a liability against the run. Still, in this pass-happy league, you’d think he’d have a role (and he’s only 28).

There are others, including Justin Houston, Robert Quinn, Melvin Ingram, Jadeveon Clowney and Carlos Dunlap. All of these guys are past their prime, but could possibly still contribute.

The question, ultimately, though, is whether the Rams are better off giving young guys more snaps, absorbing the growing pains and learning curves, and building for the future. One could certainly argue that guys like Michael Hoecht, Byron Young, Nick Hampton, Keir Thomas and Daniel Hardy are far more likely to emerge as long-term contributors than any of the big name veterans.

My sense of things is that the youth movement is Plan A at the edge position. Perhaps, after camp and some preseason action, the team might consider bringing in a veteran if the young guys don’t appear ready. Right now, though, I think that we’re looking to develop new stars, rather than sign old ones.
 

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If the Rams wished to fill their EDGE rusher spots with veterans who are still on the market, would potentially accept a short term/affordable deal, and still have enough in the tank to factor in the pass rush, there are certainly options.

Leonard Floyd is still available. Perhaps that bridge has been burned, but if it hasn’t, maybe he’s ready to return on a more cap-friendly deal?

Yannick Ngakoue is also on the market. Clearly, he is viewed as a one-trick pony who, perhaps, is a bit of a liability against the run. Still, in this pass-happy league, you’d think he’d have a role (and he’s only 28).

There are others, including Justin Houston, Robert Quinn, Melvin Ingram, Jadeveon Clowney and Carlos Dunlap. All of these guys are past their prime, but could possibly still contribute.

The question, ultimately, though, is whether the Rams are better off giving young guys more snaps, absorbing the growing pains and learning curves, and building for the future. One could certainly argue that guys like Michael Hoecht, Byron Young, Nick Hampton, Keir Thomas and Daniel Hardy are far more likely to emerge as long-term contributors than any of the big name veterans.

My sense of things is that the youth movement is Plan A at the edge position. Perhaps, after camp and some preseason action, the team might consider bringing in a veteran if the young guys don’t appear ready. Right now, though, I think that we’re looking to develop new stars, rather than sign old ones.
If the Rams have some success this year with the youth movement, it may signal that they are no longer going to offer a second contract to 90% of their draftees, but continue to rely on their scouts and coaches to keep the pool of talent fresh and hungry and cheap...kind of a college coach hybrid approach. If it blows up on them, I think they may add some depth with veteran help. Should at least be interesting to see the experiment.
 

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If the Rams wished to fill their EDGE rusher spots with veterans who are still on the market, would potentially accept a short term/affordable deal, and still have enough in the tank to factor in the pass rush, there are certainly options.

Leonard Floyd is still available. Perhaps that bridge has been burned, but if it hasn’t, maybe he’s ready to return on a more cap-friendly deal?

Yannick Ngakoue is also on the market. Clearly, he is viewed as a one-trick pony who, perhaps, is a bit of a liability against the run. Still, in this pass-happy league, you’d think he’d have a role (and he’s only 28).

There are others, including Justin Houston, Robert Quinn, Melvin Ingram, Jadeveon Clowney and Carlos Dunlap. All of these guys are past their prime, but could possibly still contribute.

The question, ultimately, though, is whether the Rams are better off giving young guys more snaps, absorbing the growing pains and learning curves, and building for the future. One could certainly argue that guys like Michael Hoecht, Byron Young, Nick Hampton, Keir Thomas and Daniel Hardy are far more likely to emerge as long-term contributors than any of the big name veterans.

My sense of things is that the youth movement is Plan A at the edge position. Perhaps, after camp and some preseason action, the team might consider bringing in a veteran if the young guys don’t appear ready. Right now, though, I think that we’re looking to develop new stars, rather than sign old ones.
Unless the Rams secretly think they will have a top two pick, Is try to sign one vet at least.
 

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This feels like de ja vu

We have tried this at least three times before since McVay became head coach

Each time it hasn’t worked too well and we have either signed a vet (Fowler & Miller) or suffered abject failure (last season)

Maybe we get lucky with these draft picks and Hoecht but I am worried especially as our secondary doesn’t look particular safe either

I would be happy for one if we signed Floyd and Johnson back onto the team though I understand why others here disagree
 

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This feels like de ja vu

We have tried this at least three times before since McVay became head coach

Each time it hasn’t worked too well and we have either signed a vet (Fowler & Miller) or suffered abject failure (last season)

Maybe we get lucky with these draft picks and Hoecht but I am worried especially as our secondary doesn’t look particular safe either

I would be happy for one if we signed Floyd and Johnson back onto the team though I understand why others here disagree
Floyd and Johnson would help the defense. JJ especially since Fuller can’t stay on the field. If they roll with the youngsters then I doubt they seriously believe that they can win many games.

That or they just can’t make it work under the cap.
 

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Why? A vet can help bring along the young guys. If they go all youngster it says a lot about what they really think about their chances to compete.
That doesn’t translate to going for one of the top 2 picks.
 

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i would like to see jj3 on the team again.

a lot of young guys back there and fuller is always banged up. the rams need a wise head back there.

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JJ is only 27, so he’s sort of between “youth movement” and aged veteran. I’d be happy to see him return.
 

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JJ is only 27, so he’s sort of between “youth movement” and aged veteran. I’d be happy to see him return.
JJ is the only player I would like to see signed as I never want to see Floyd in a Rams uniform again. If JJ could lead an extremely young secondary to respectable status he could be in line for another good payday next year.
 

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I'd try to bring in JJ and Floyd, personally, if we can afford them for a year. We need some solid vets on defense.
 

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I'd prefer a 1T. Run stuffer for early downs. That or another corner for competition in that CB3 role.
 

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Sure it does. None of the OLBs last year were very impressive. Every one of the OLBs have holes in their game.
Huh?

And that means that’s if we play rookies we’re shooting for a top 2 pick in next year’s draft?
 

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No thanks on Floyd, he and Hollins were bad last year. Let the rooks and 2nd yr players loose...
 

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Salary cap.

Unless one of these vets are willing to accept a contract similar to what Taylor Rapp signed, I question of the Rams can afford some of the players suggested. That is, not unless they go back to backloading deals and hurting the cap space they appear to be trying to create for 2024.
 

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I'd try to bring in JJ and Floyd, personally, if we can afford them for a year. We need some solid vets on defense.


This.

If we signed those two, our defense IMO would have a real shot at being above average. Floyd is an adequate rusher but will help against the run. Would allow Hoecht to play DE.

JJ is insurance and competes with the young guys.
 

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McSnead always seem to add pieces they need in the middle of the year. If our edge rush is abysmal, I can see them adding a cheap edge rusher around then.