Final* Evaluation of Goff’s Rams Tenure

[WestCoastRam]

He was a great girlfriend to have. Now I'm ready to meet my wife.

 

[badnews]

One of my top 3 favorite Rams QBs ever.
Best of luck in Detroit, #16.
I'll be following closely. Detroit is an easy team to root for when they aren't playing the Rams.

 

[badnews]

He was a great girlfriend to have. Now I'm ready to meet my wife.

You don't marry a cougar... you just try to go all of the way before you look for someone younger...

 

[XXXIVwin]

Next season will tell us a LOT about both Goff and Stafford. It will be a lot easier to evaluate both QB’s after a few games next September.

How much of the success is because of the QB, and how much because of the coaching? Teams don’t swap starting QB’s very often, so next season will be a great little experiment to find out.

 

[Mackeyser]

Next season will tell us a LOT about both Goff and Stafford. It will be a lot easier to evaluate both QB’s after a few games next September.

How much of the success is because of the QB, and how much because of the coaching? Teams don’t swap starting QB’s very often, so next season will be a great little experiment to find out.

Much like folks in New England kept track, I think the tally board will be brought up between McVay and Goff.

The difference is that the Rams upgraded at QB and the Patriots had such a drop off at QB that you’d need a parachute to get from Brady to Cam Newton

But yeah, there will be folks keeping track for sure

 

[Alaskan Ram]

Hell, maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle?
Did he rest on his achievements and get sloppy sustaining the necessary work ethic?
His shit the bed performances increased after he got paid and Rodger Saffold left.
Whit and Rodger continuing to anchor that left side would have been some kind of special.
Why dafuck do you neglect the line with a precision pocket passer who's game relies on tempo and momentum?

I'll remember Goff as a guy who could come out 10 for 10 in completions to start a game. I'll forever remember the Chiefs monday night game. I'll forever remember Kirk Cousins trippin' after the Thursday nighter saying the consolation to his Vinking's team loss was that he just got to witness the best QB performance of his entire life.
This feels like Philly getting rid of Andy Reid. Good isn't good enough I guess. But you can't win it all if you don't make it to final table.
I had to say this at work a lot in my career, reminding upper level managers to not forget "what good looks like"...knee jerk reactions are seldom wise pay-outs in the long term.

All that said, the losses to the 9ers and dolphins this year stung bad...and I was blaming Goff. I wanted Wolford to run the table in the post season because it was obvious Goff didn't have the magic this year.
Fuck. Still processing this.

Goddam it. I thought Goff and McVay had a chance to rival Brady and Bellicheat.

My final evaluation:
Goff + McVay = Simon + Garfunkel

Go Rams.

 

[gabriel18]

Great kid that gave us hope for the future. It’s not his fault that he was the #1 pick and the Rams gave up 6 picks to get him and 3 to get rid of him. Something was clearly off the past 2 years. I watched games where he played as good as I’ve seen a QB play. The KC and Minnesota games where he was in total control and dropping dimes led me to believe he was destined for greatness. Add in the second half against the Saints where he led the comeback that put us in the big game. The two quick reaction throws he made on the last drive set up the winning FG.
Unfortunately after that is where it all went south. I couldn’t believe the regression over the past two years. The only thing that I can think of is that he lacks the killer instinct or desire to be the best. I hope for his sake that he finds it and plays well in Detroit. I guess we’ll see it first hand sometime next year

 

[OntarioRam]

I think he's the same QB he always was, but that he just lacks confidence now - and it has snowballed dramatically since with the o-line degrading, Gurley disappearing, losing a deep threat, taking hits, his coach not believing in him, fumble isuses, the list goes on. Sports is funny that way. So much of it is mental. Hopefully, he can get his mojo back in Detroit.

I always liked Goff and still believe he can become a star in this league with a roster and scheme that play to his strengths. He can make all the throws. And he is still very young. Stafford is easily the better QB today, in my opinion, but I question how long that can continue for. Some QBs will be fine well into their 30s. Others will hit a wall. If Stafford is the latter - and he already has injury issues - we could be in trouble at the most important position sooner rather than later which is scary considering our lack of draft capital. I think we paid too much as a result, but am excited to see what this offense can look like with Stafford.

Snead is a poor GM in my view. Awful contracts, cap management, and handling of draft assets (closely tied to having to correct his errors on the other two). I do like his aggressiveness, but feel that aggressiveness is too impulsive.

 

[Faceplant]

Love the kid and will remember him fondly for all of the fun he gave us fans. I am still shocked that this marriage is over and it will still sting for a while, but I have to trust McVay that Goff had peaked in a Rams uniform. I wish him well, and really wish that Snead had handled this like a proper GM. Unless we find out later that JG was a poison pill or that he was bangin Sean's fiancé, he did not deserve to get drug like that. That is not how you attract future players IMO. Then again, Les likes to give piles of $$$$ and away for nothing, soooo maybe it doesn't make a difference.

 

[Mackeyser]

We don't need to get into an exchange on this, but I just don't get and have seen nothing to validate the "Goff got dragged" or "Goff was treated like dogshit" mantra.

Was the ending without grace? No question. Forget McVay and Snead... I don't think anyone's EVER seen that from anyone, let alone two competent, mindful, intentional football professionals like them. We may not find out for decades after McVay has brought is a record number of Lombardis how it all went down, but it's not a good look.

That said, at what point prior to the end of the GB game did anyone say anything more than "the QB has to take care of the football"?

 

[Angry Ram]

For me it's....ehhh.

Great moments, sure but they were just that...moments.

I really thought after the first three games this year he was on a career year path. Then the Miami game happened. Whatever, flukey game. Then a TO pattern emerged. Started cringing every time he dropped back, praying he didn't turn it over.

I'm willing to admit that I wanted Carson Wentz in 2016 over him, but didn't get butthurt that they took Jared. Whatever. Something about him didn't just click for me. Like, watch Joe Burrow play and watch Jared play. You can just tell the difference.

Anyway, I don't wish failure upon him. I'll remember him being a QB that got to a SB. That's more than most can say.

 

[madrid311]

When goff needed to be better consistently, he wasn't. he Needed a Supreme effort every snap and not shoot himself in the foot. He did, to many times. I think he wasn't putting in the work. Mahomes will play with 2 missing starters on the o line this superbowl. I bet he figures out a way to succeed. Can't say that about goff. Time will tell if he hurt himself or he was railroaded. I belive mcvay is smart enough to know what's up with his guys. I wish him luck in Detroit. I'm excited for the new chapter about to unfold. Go rams.

 

[Malibu]

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

So how should we look at Jared Goff's Rams tenure now that it has come to an abrupt and somewhat surprising end?

Certainly, it was marked by ups and downs. His rookie season was ugly, but its not difficult to see why, given the level of talent and the types of schemes he had to work with. I didn't give up hope after his first games, but I certainly was concerned.

Then Sean McVay enters the picture, the OL and receiving corps are improved, and for two years, Goff is a Pro Bowl QB who leads the Rams within one game of the title. I still saw the need for growth, but I truly believed at that point that we had a franchise QB. So did the Rams, as Goff was rewarded with a big contract extension.

Then it went South. The OL declined, Gurley did too and then departed, and Goff's production took a big dip. Goff cannot be blamed or absolved in full for this, and we can debate until the end of time the relative levels of blame. What is clear, though, is that Goff was not able to transcend these issues and raise his game to another level. McVay lost confidence, and now Goff's a Lion.

You note that there is an asterisk in the thread title. That's because this review may not be entirely final. What if Goff tears it up in Detroit, while Stafford's production is comparable to what we've seen from Goff during the past two seasons?

In any event, we're at the end of Goff's time here, so how will we view him? Is his legacy the hefty price to acquire, pay and, ultimately, move him from the team? Is it the legacy of a QB who was good, but just not good enough?

Time will tell, but I do think that, regardless of what we might think of him right now, he remains one of only three QBs to take the Rams to a Super Bowl. That's historically noteworthy, if nothing else.

I also, at this juncture, based on what I know, I feel that Goff gave the Rams his best effort and was a solid citizen and a good teammate. So, as he departs, I'll send him off with a "thanks" and a "good luck," even if I hope Matthew Stafford outplays him by a HUGE margin over the next few seasons!

And with that, I'm ready to move on to the Stafford Era.

Why did you have to say Goff didn't "transcend these issues". Did Stafford?The shiny new toy if the Rams, didn't at all in 11 years in Detroit.

Maybe not replenishing the assets on offense correctly and assuming the crappy OL was magically going to get better killed Goff and the Rams chances. At least he got us to the Superbowl Stafford never won a playoff game and only got to the playoffs 3 times in 11 years.

Point is it is a team game not Goff couldn't overcome these issues no QB could have.

 

[12intheBox]

Compared to other Rams QBs, dude was a stud - no question. Not a hall of fame guy but had he stayed with the Rams longer, a ring of honor kind of guy.

He was always going to be judged by his price tag (as will Stafford) - we paid a lot to trade up for him, he was the #1 overall pick, and then we signed him to a huge $$ contract. Those kind of things set a really high floor of expectations.

I think the Rams were right to move on from him - and I’m glad that we have Stafford under center - but I still have respect for Goff and I‘d be OK if he goes on to have continued success in the NFL.

 

[RamsFanCK]

@RamsFanCK was the first I heard describe moving on from Goff as putting down a dog. It will be weird not seeing him in Rams promo stuff.

Completely agree. This ESPN commercial was one of my favorites. Taco Fall! Lol

 

[dang]

I think he's the same QB he always was, but that he just lacks confidence now - and it has snowballed dramatically since with the o-line degrading, Gurley disappearing, losing a deep threat, taking hits, his coach not believing in him, fumble isuses, the list goes on. Sports is funny that way. So much of it is mental. Hopefully, he can get his mojo back in Detroit.

I always liked Goff and still believe he can become a star in this league with a roster and scheme that play to his strengths. He can make all the throws. And he is still very young. Stafford is easily the better QB today, in my opinion, but I question how long that can continue for. Some QBs will be fine well into their 30s. Others will hit a wall. If Stafford is the latter - and he already has injury issues - we could be in trouble at the most important position sooner rather than later which is scary considering our lack of draft capital. I think we paid too much as a result, but am excited to see what this offense can look like with Stafford.

Snead is a poor GM in my view. Awful contracts, cap management, and handling of draft assets (closely tied to having to correct his errors on the other two). I do like his aggressiveness, but feel that aggressiveness is too impulsive.

Snead is bold and I must admit I generally like the ‘Go for It Now’ attitude that the trades represent. With that said I would be happy to never hear Snead speak in public again. He is awkward and bumbling.

 

[Mackeyser]

Why did you have to say Goff didn't "transcend these issues". Did Stafford?The shiny new toy if the Rams, didn't at all in 11 years in Detroit.

Maybe not replenishing the assets on offense correctly and assuming the crappy OL was magically going to get better killed Goff and the Rams chances. At least he got us to the Superbowl Stafford never won a playoff game and only got to the playoffs 3 times in 11 years.

Point is it is a team game not Goff couldn't overcome these issues no QB could have.

Wait, so no QB could have? Brady did and with a more demanding HC than McVay. He was a young QB who went to the Super Bowl in his 2nd year, struggled a bit and overcame it without the weapons Goff had and with a lesser OL.

That's not a knock on Goff. If he's a "see it, throw it" QB when pressured, then he's just a QB that must have a top 5 OL, especially in pass pro.

McVay is a system guy, like Shanahan, Gruden, the elder Shanahan, Walsh, Sherman, Holmgren (famous for his QB school), Wyche, etc. They are tough on their QBs, REQUIRE excellent execution at all times and need a QB who's exceptional from the neck up as far as QB/Football IQ... very fast processing of information is a must. Goff's a fine QB, but that's not him.

It's such a fine window that even when they have HoF QBs, they're ALWAYS gonna be on the lookout for QBs.

Bill Walsh had Joe Freakin' Montana and found Steve Young and developed him. Sherman had Favre and when Rodgers dropped, he couldn't pass him up.

And I will admit this: If you run a WCO and don't keep the QB pipeline stocked with QBs who can run it... everything grinds to a halt. I will continue to expect McVay to always be looking for the NEXT QB.

It's a system thing.

 

[So Ram]

As a Rams Fan! F”Goff!! He is who he is.No Longer a Ram & a NFC guy I don’t want to make the Playoffs.
The NFC West is tough enough to win.Don’t want to lose a chance to at least get a Wildcard Berth.

 

[ramsince62]

For the last time......Goff's issues:

Slow to process information quickly enough in the pocket.
Struggles under pressure
Throws inaccurately at times.
Doesn't make accurate reads.
Turns ball over.

He's a tweener/middle of the roader, always has been, his numbers bear that out.

 

[Merlin]

Point is it is a team game not Goff couldn't overcome these issues no QB could have.

You're in for a surprise when you see Stafford in this offense. It's impossible for me to imagine this unit not being far better with this guy behind center.