Ernest Jones

[OnceARam]

sometimes - reeder isn't slow though.

He was stuck to the tight end close in coverage yesterday.

Reeder gets that profiling.

Reeder is okay - decent back up.

Yeah, Reeder is a quality backup. He has good play recognition. With Jones, I have not seen that it's a speed issue. Rather a play recognition thing.

 

[Ellard80]

Yeah, Reeder is a quality backup. He has good play recognition. With Jones, I have not seen that it's a speed issue. Rather a play recognition thing.

Jones is a better athlete then Reeder I'd agree.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

The biggest issue with Reeder was that he was good moving forward but not so much laterally.

 

[Kupped]

I like Jones…
But I think he’s been hit and miss. Definitely playing dinged up.
Rams will need to think about drafting that spot this year.

Good player… but not close to the elite guys.

 

[hotanez]

There is a noticeable difference in the line when AD isn’t on the field. They definitely need a few more pieces on the defensive front. I think it is a big need this offseason.

Jonah Williams hasn’t shown up much like earlier in the season. Bobby BrownIII flashes in some games. Aside from Turner and Donald, some of them are jags.

definitely, we need to get a top edge in FA, do that and this D can become dangerous. Our pass rush is basically nonexistent right now

 

[Tano]

just an fyi - Troy Reeder faster 40 time than Ernest Jones.


Reeder is a JAG but he isn't slow.

Must be his reaction time is slow because he got burned by at TE on a couple plays that I saw.

 

[Tano]

The biggest issue with Reeder was that he was good moving forward but not so much laterally.

That must be it. His lateral movement is so fricken slow like a sloth trying to cover receivers going over the middle.

 

[Merlin]

Reeder it's his change of direction yeah. He's like a locomotive when he gets rolling, decent athlete but just too heavy. Been saying for years if he could drop some weight he might be a much better player, though not sure how he'd hold up in there with less muscle weight.

 

[JimY53]

Yes. I saw two plays that he looked lost on ... I won't do specifics until I see the game again (watching SNF) but
he's been in a slump. Started the season very good, high level of Play (Pro Bowl level) but today was not good.

I was wrong. Jones had a decent game. Turns out the 2 negative plays I saw and there was one more that you'd call a negative.

other than that we was not bad. Some good plays. I was too hard on him because i saw the two plays and they were close to each other
I figured he'd struggled. He didn't.

 

[PARAM]

Reeder is a JAG but he isn't slow.

And whether by luck or accident, he's made some timely big plays during his time with the Rams. Effort counts for something.

 

[Merlin]

Having high effort JAGs on your roster is a good thing. Every team has the JAGs. Why not have one who is ready to spot start or leave it all on the field for you.

That's what I love about this year's team btw. Talent level is mediocre at best overall but these guys bust their asses across the board.

 

[dang]

just an fyi - Troy Reeder faster 40 time than Ernest Jones.


Reeder is a JAG but he isn't slow.

Reeder may have some straight line speed but his change of direction is not NFL level.

 

[Jacobarch]

The defensive front was definitely gassed today. We need better rotation depth to hold up vs the run games. They can get by at times, especially when teams fall behind. But determined run calls can wear them down.

They were also gassed because the offense didnt do much until the 4th. We were what 0 for 5 on 3rd down at one point in the game? I mean that would be enough for any d to get tired.

 

[Merlin]

They were also gassed because the offense didnt do much until the 4th. We were what 0 for 5 on 3rd down at one point in the game? I mean that would be enough for any d to get tired.

Yeah but the best way to get off the field is everyone do their job and get a stop. Defense sometimes has to find a way. Which they did to seal the win.

Bottom line is this isn't a loaded group at any position. Secondary is the best group depth wise but I look forwatd to them getting some help this offseason.

 

[rdlkgliders]

Not a stud, not a dud. We have much greater needs before we invest quality capitol on his replacement

 

[AvengerRam]

Among players with 75+ tackles, Jones has the fewest missed tackles: 2.

 

[oldnotdead]

The MIKE position has changed over the years. With the emphasis now on passing instead of running, the MIKE position isn't played the same as in the past. As such it takes a different kind of player with a different skillset. Jones does a good job in the framework of how it's played now. Is he the best or even one of the better ILBs? Not really, because he lacks the speed and agility to play in coverage. Look at Wagner, he was one of the first of the new breed of MIKE LBs. In the old days, the MIKE was the "thumper" plugging the A gaps against interior runs. In that regard Jones does a decent job. But he's a liability in coverage.

Jones is relevant because of the old style scheme Morris plays. Morris plays with a zero T NT that is supposed to eat up blockers and allow the MIKE to take on the RBs in the A gaps. Teams now have gone to a one gap style where the NT normally fills one of the A gaps and the ILB covers the other A gap or flows to the POA. This two gap style is dated because now when QBs see that 0T NT if the run isn't on the perimeter then he simply audibles to a pass. That is why the MIKE must also have coverage ability. Wagner was the new breed of MIKE who was stout against the run but had the speed and agility to be a factor in coverage.

Jones was drafted because Morris wanted a thumper in the middle and didn't care about coverage ability. This is why Wagner left because the scheme didn't fit him and how Morris used him wasn't to his liking. The same reason Ramsey wanted out. Ramsey is a man coverage CB and not a SCB in a passive zone scheme. So you can't judge Jones by comparing him to other ILBs. This scheme is archaic so how Jones is used in it doesn't compare well with other ILBs.

 

[JimY53]

Jones is relevant because of the old style scheme Morris plays. Morris plays with a zero T NT that is supposed to eat up blockers and allow the MIKE to take on the RBs in the A gaps. Teams now have gone to a one gap style where the NT normally fills one of the A gaps and the ILB covers the other A gap or flows to the POA. This two gap style is dated because now when QBs see that 0T NT if the run isn't on the perimeter then he simply audibles to a pass.

Wrong. Rams do not play 2-Gap NT. 0-tech does not mean 2-gap.

Here is Sebastian Joseph-Day in 2020 at 0-tech. He didn't play 2-gap, either
Both of these are Penny packages.

 

[JimY53]

Morris plays with a zero T NT that is supposed to eat up blockers and allow the MIKE to take on the RBs in the A gaps.

Jones was drafted because Morris wanted a thumper in the middle and didn't care about coverage ability. This is why Wagner left because the scheme didn't fit him and how Morris used him wasn't to his liking

The same reason Ramsey wanted out. Ramsey is a man coverage CB and not a SCB in a passive zone scheme. So you can't judge Jones by comparing him to other ILBs. This scheme is archaic so how Jones is used in it doesn't compare well with other ILBs.

The above shots show 2020 with a thumper as MIKE (Kiser), Ramsey in the slot and Gaines/Joseph-Day at zero technique
Just FYIs

 

[JimY53]

The MIKE position has changed over the years ...

Here are a few examples from Wash '2020 ... just in 1st Q