Eagles bench Carson Wentz

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No narrative here. There's different levels of opinions regarding Goff here; being critical of his play does not mean I don't support him.

What's truly crazy to me is that some posters here don't see how crazy hypocritical it is to slam on Wentz for this season. He has a supporting cast similar to what Goff had his rookie year, maybe even worse because of all the injuries.

Going back prior to this season, he was good. Most people - non Eagles and non Rams fans - would say that prior to this season, he was having a better career than Goff. But how about a hypothetical, just for fun?

It's 2018, and the Rams are 11-2 - Goff gets injured and is out for the season - Sean Mannion comes in. He's decent to pretty good, but clearly not Goff, for the first few games - then he catches fire in the NFCCG and wins the Super Bowl.

Goff is out the first game or two the following season, and has a slow start. But he gets it going and ends up with his best season statistically - a passer rating of 102.1. His record ends up being 5-6, but he gets sacked almost three times per game. He gets hurt after starting those 11 games and misses the rest of the season. Mannion comes in and wins out, and wins a playoff game before narrowly faltering to the Saints.

After this season, we ship Mannion out - and Goff, with an aging roster around him, goes 9-7 and wins the division - against posting a strong season statistically: 4000 yards, 27 TDs and 7 INTs, but has a bad playoff game.

So for three seasons, Goffs overall numbers look like this:

Games played: 40/48 regular season, 1/6 playoff games

10,400 yards, 81 TDs, 21 INTs, sacked 96 times, 34 fumbles





So, if Goff averaged 3467 yards, 27 TDs and 7 INTs while being sacked 96 times over three seasons, I'd imagine most Rams fans would support him. BTW, over the same set of three seasons, Goff fumbled 30 times and threw 35 INTs.

This season Wentz has been sacked 50 times, and if you've watched many Eagles games, his supporting cast has been garbage.

Me, personally, I'm holding him to the same standard I hold Goff. Being sacked 50 times is a little excessive, but he also holds onto the ball too much. He's a below average QB overall.

But to the fans that have defended Goff for his poor play this year, with a top 5 playcaller and above average weapons? That doesn't sit right with me. If you're going to give Goff some slack, Wentz has definitely earned it with his play. You can't criticize his turnovers - he and Goff are around the same level the past four seasons. The bigger knock is his injury history, and that's valid.
Your logic is solid, however.....you are on a Rams board...full of Rams fans. We are going to give fuck all about the dude that the media has fawned all over since they were drafted while they continue to shit on our QB. Fuck him, fuck them....and fuck anyone who dare piss on our parade, lol. As I said earlier, Goff's play has made me cringe quite a bit the last 2 years. He needs to be better...for sure. HOWEVER, he is our QB and we are 8-4 trying to get hot at the right time. Lets all get on the "tractor" and enjoy the hay ride!!! :Fist:
 

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All I can say after reading all this is .


Jim Plunkett...lol
 

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Wentz showing he's a real team player
 

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I really don't understand all the hate for Wentz. He's on a shyte O and has been pounded to Hell over the last 2 years,Bulgerized imho.

Plus imho like I posted years ago,Wentz was better because Fisher was the HC. Our Oline was crap,Wentz could run better etc etc.

Glad the Rams changed up on HC ,must have been hard for KD,but hiring McVay helped immensely for the Rams and Goff imho.
 

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I really don't understand all the hate for Wentz. He's on a shyte O and has been pounded to Hell over the last 2 years,Bulgerized imho.

Plus imho like I posted years ago,Wentz was better because Fisher was the HC. Our Oline was crap,Wentz could run better etc etc.

Glad the Rams changed up on HC ,must have been hard for KD,but hiring McVay helped immensely for the Rams and Goff imho.
Because many on this board see a discredit of Wentz that Jared Goff was the right and superior pick of that draft. They’ll always be entwined together since that draft day in 16.
 

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No narrative here. There's different levels of opinions regarding Goff here; being critical of his play does not mean I don't support him.

What's truly crazy to me is that some posters here don't see how crazy hypocritical it is to slam on Wentz for this season. He has a supporting cast similar to what Goff had his rookie year, maybe even worse because of all the injuries.

Going back prior to this season, he was good. Most people - non Eagles and non Rams fans - would say that prior to this season, he was having a better career than Goff. But how about a hypothetical, just for fun?

It's 2018, and the Rams are 11-2 - Goff gets injured and is out for the season - Sean Mannion comes in. He's decent to pretty good, but clearly not Goff, for the first few games - then he catches fire in the NFCCG and wins the Super Bowl.

Goff is out the first game or two the following season, and has a slow start. But he gets it going and ends up with his best season statistically - a passer rating of 102.1. His record ends up being 5-6, but he gets sacked almost three times per game. He gets hurt after starting those 11 games and misses the rest of the season. Mannion comes in and wins out, and wins a playoff game before narrowly faltering to the Saints.

After this season, we ship Mannion out - and Goff, with an aging roster around him, goes 9-7 and wins the division - against posting a strong season statistically: 4000 yards, 27 TDs and 7 INTs, but has a bad playoff game.

So for three seasons, Goffs overall numbers look like this:

Games played: 40/48 regular season, 1/6 playoff games

10,400 yards, 81 TDs, 21 INTs, sacked 96 times, 34 fumbles





So, if Goff averaged 3467 yards, 27 TDs and 7 INTs while being sacked 96 times over three seasons, I'd imagine most Rams fans would support him. BTW, over the same set of three seasons, Goff fumbled 30 times and threw 35 INTs.

This season Wentz has been sacked 50 times, and if you've watched many Eagles games, his supporting cast has been garbage.

Me, personally, I'm holding him to the same standard I hold Goff. Being sacked 50 times is a little excessive, but he also holds onto the ball too much. He's a below average QB overall.

But to the fans that have defended Goff for his poor play this year, with a top 5 playcaller and above average weapons? That doesn't sit right with me. If you're going to give Goff some slack, Wentz has definitely earned it with his play. You can't criticize his turnovers - he and Goff are around the same level the past four seasons. The bigger knock is his injury history, and that's valid.
 

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Because many on this board see a discredit of Wentz that Jared Goff was the right and superior pick of that draft. They’ll always be entwined together since that draft day in 16.
Jmho 90 percent of Qbs drafted are made by many intangibles like,who's the coach what's the scheme ,who are the Players around them etc etc.

Like over the last 10 years, who are the Qbs that made the team instead of the other way around ?

Luck, Patrick o he's done well but he's got Coaching Talent around him,Wilson and the rest are. ?

Maybe I'm just hyped today because we can get in with a win.

But imho put Goff on a BS team and well, nevermind.

Don't want to go negative, especially on game day.

Jmho Goff has been put in a better position to succeed.
 

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Jmho 90 percent of Qbs drafted are made by many intangibles like,who's the coach what's the scheme ,who are the Players around them etc etc.

Like over the last 10 years, who are the Qbs that made the team instead of the other way around ?

Luck, Patrick o he's done well but he's got Coaching Talent around him,Wilson and the rest are. ?

Maybe I'm just hyped today because we can get in with a win.

But imho put Goff on a BS team and well, nevermind.

Don't want to go negative, especially on game day.

Jmho Goff has been put in a better position to succeed.
I’ve never understand why people put ‘IMO’ or ‘ jmho’. Your posting your opinion on a forum of course it’s your opinion your posting it! Lol
 

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I’ve never understand why people put ‘IMO’ or ‘ jmho’. Your posting your opinion on a forum of course it’s your opinion your posting it! Lol

I do "just my honest opinion" to be polite. Letting people know it's only my opinion in a sea of opinions.
 

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I’ve never understand why people put ‘IMO’ or ‘ jmho’. Your posting your opinion on a forum of course it’s your opinion your posting it! Lol
Cause I'm not trying to be God ,Almighty.

2000 PLUS years ago Baby J used humility. Hopefully 1 day you can understand.

When Folks say jmho or imho they're just being humble. Imho
 

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I do "just my honest opinion" to be polite. Letting people know it's only my opinion in a sea of opinions.
Isn’t it redundant because your not posting a quote :unsure:
Cause I'm not trying to be God ,Almighty.

2000 PLUS years ago Baby J used humility. Hopefully 1 day you can understand.

When Folks say jmho or imho they're just being humble. Imho
Technically the ‘story’ your talking about isn’t older than 2000 years ago. Now that sir is an opinion.
 

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Isn’t it redundant because your not posting a quote :unsure:

I'm posting my quote. I don't care if it's redundant. I don't come on the Internet to fight people, I really don't. I used to as a teen, but I was an asshole as a teen, and not proud of my actions. So I just try to be polite now.
 

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I'm posting my quote. I don't care if it's redundant. I don't come on the Internet to fight people, I really don't. I used to as a teen, but I was an asshole as a teen, and not proud of my actions. So I just try to be polite now.
I figured you'd care because your an authoress and out of anybody you'd be more analytical when it comes to grammar. I myself suck at grammar hence I try and learn as much as possible to improve papers I submit still. :rolleyes:
 

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Isn’t it redundant because your not posting a quote :unsure:

Technically the ‘story’ your talking about isn’t older than 2000 years ago. Now that sir is an opinion.
Ok imho your just trying to start some BS.

Most here know AD started 31 years after he was born and it's 2020,that's 2051 years ago.

Now you really went off topic,if Wentz went into The Rams and Goff the Eagles what would have happened. ?

This post wasn't about jmho or imho, Duh.

And any man that goes after,talks down, has an issue with @Memento needs some REAL HELP and that's being real Fucking polite.
The End with you.
 

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Ok imho your just trying to start some BS.

Most here know AD started 31 years after he was born and it's 2020,that's 2051 years ago.

Now you really went off topic,if Wentz went into The Rams and Goff the Eagles what would have happened. ?

This post wasn't about jmho or imho, Duh.

And any man that goes after,talks down, has an issue with @Memento needs some REAL HELP and that's being real Fucking polite.
The End with you.
Ohhh sorry i meant BCE... I don’t know when and where stories start and end to some.

Nobodys talking down to anybody so take the panties you’re wearing and un bunch them.

P.s. I don’t know about if Goff went to the Eagles, I don’t deal in hyperbole.
 

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I really don't understand all the hate for Wentz.

I like Wentz, think he's a good guy. But he wasn't a good QB this year. And Hurts is making a good first impression.

Just feels like the end of the line for him in Philly.
 

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My, aren’t we all testy today...smoothie?